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Matt Colie
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 11:01I stuff five qts in mine at change, and it shows full hot. 1500 miles or more, it's down a half, so I surmise the stick is reasonably accurate. I change it either around 3K or in the spring if it hasn't seen 3K yet.
I got to ask though. Matt's comment says 'non-synthetic oil'. Howcome?
--johnny
Johnny,
Good Question.....
Very simple, if you have a lube oil consumption issue.
I my experience, synthetic won't help.
It's long life will be no gain,
and it also costs more.
AND, there is a situation I have seen (and KenB also reported) that synthetics can form hard (not quite glass hard) deposits in the combustion chamber.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question [message #271623 is a reply to message #271488] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 11:41 |
GMC.LES
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If anyone is concerned about what effect the cooler and lines have on oil level, it is an easy exercise to just remove the cooler sandwich adapter and run the engine with just a filter. Then KenB's 5qt procedure will be about as close as your gonna get without using more complicated measurements and calculations. Once the correct(desired) level is established, you just reconnect the cooler and adjust oil level to your new full mark. Why make an easy process more complicated? The 5qt rule had worked well for many of us without any apparent negative effects.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 07:22
>> Adrian,
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>> The photo you should look at is http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-oil-pan-capacity/p10800.html
>> which more accurately shows the relationship of the various parts (disregard the un-trimmed dipstick tube).
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>> There, you'll see that the two rods just right of the dipstick tube are near the bottom of their strokes and that they're at least 4" below the
>> pan flange. In other works, they swing to within less than 3/8" from the 3 q. oil pool. If there's 4 q. in the deep end of the pan, the rods will
>> definitely be submerged.
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>> I apologize to everyone for having not anticipated all these factors when I originally made and posted the photos -- I could have made them more
>> clearly and less ambiguously display the parameters of interest.
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>> Ken H.
>> Americus, GA
>> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
>> Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
>> www.gmcwipersetc.com
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> Wow Ken,
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> That sure is a definitive set of pictures.
> One of the things those tell me is that there has got to be at least 2 quarts of oil "in process" when the engine is running.
> That is a lot. But I sure can't complain. It doesn't actually cost anything to run that way.
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question [message #271709 is a reply to message #271405] |
Wed, 11 February 2015 15:43 |
jhbridges
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And I mis-typed. I put in 6 with the filter. Sorry for the misinformation.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question [message #271724 is a reply to message #271700] |
Wed, 11 February 2015 17:44 |
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dservati1 wrote on Wed, 11 February 2015 14:48Boy am I lost .. and I thought Facebook comments were confusing!!
So do I put in 5 quarts or less or more???
Dave
Dave,
This may all seem confusing because it is......
You should have a 403, and I don't know how different that really is.
I would suggest that you start out following the instructions.
Fill 6 quarts with a filter and 5 without.
Some of us see the top quart go a way real fast (like 500 or fewer miles).
If that is what you see, then wait, there is still room. If the next quart takes 1000~1500 miles to leave, don't bother topping it off.
On the next change, go with 5 quarts.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question [message #271759 is a reply to message #271724] |
Wed, 11 February 2015 21:59 |
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try 5.5 qts and a bottle of gm EOS ...thinking EOS is a half guart or half litre or maybe its a little less....this is what I did on my new engine that I have maybe a 100 miles on....If I can improve the steering so its drivable I will continue this method ......using shell 15-40 and eos...brian 77 ele 455
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:44:11 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question
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> dservati1 wrote on Wed, 11 February 2015 14:48
>> Boy am I lost .. and I thought Facebook comments were confusing!!
>> So do I put in 5 quarts or less or more???
>> Dave
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> Dave,
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> This may all seem confusing because it is......
> You should have a 403, and I don't know how different that really is.
> I would suggest that you start out following the instructions.
> Fill 6 quarts with a filter and 5 without.
>
> Some of us see the top quart go a way real fast (like 500 or fewer miles).
> If that is what you see, then wait, there is still room. If the next quart takes 1000~1500 miles to leave, don't bother topping it off.
> On the next change, go with 5 quarts.
>
> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question [message #271802 is a reply to message #271759] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 10:39 |
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Matt Colie
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Brian Waddell wrote on Wed, 11 February 2015 22:59try 5.5 qts and a bottle of gm EOS ...thinking EOS is a half guart or half litre or maybe its a little less....this is what I did on my new engine that I have maybe a 100 miles on....If I can improve the steering so its drivable I will continue this method ......using shell 15-40 and eos...brian 77 ele 455
Brian,
One the problems with no geo ref in a sigfile is that nobody that could could help knows where you are.
If you are having steering problems, start by reading the manual and centering the steering box.
This is Section 9-39 figure 64 in manual X7525.
If that doesn't fix it, you need to get Rob Muellers page from GMC Eastern States and fine the bad elements.
These coaches can be a pleasure to drive.
Matt
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