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Matt Colie
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lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 12:21Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 05:56lotsofspareparts wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 19:35That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be correct at the exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
Stupid scare tactic.
My opinion of course.
Jared
Jared,
You are being very unfair to the mentally challenged folks. Most of them know when to keep their mouths closed.
Matt
That is a pretty retarded statement to me.
For one you are taking the word "retarded" and applying it to someone who is "mentally challenged", that is pretty sick in my mind.
I have never looked at or spoke to someone who was physically and or mentally challenged and thought they were retarded. That is cruel.
Retarded is a word that gets applied to everyone at one point in time. Every morning when I climb out of the shower I look at my arm and think "that tattoo is retarded".
We all make retarded moves at one point or another and if I ever heard someone call someone who was mentally challenged a retard in front of me.... we would have words!!
Think before you post Matt, don't make me out to be the bad guy when you can apparently look at someone who is disabled and think they are retarded.
Nuff Said!!
Jared
Jared,
Retarded means held back. That is what it means.
Now, Can you tell me how one holds back a Video?? (maybe runs it at 28FPS?)
When You Use it to label an individual (which you did), and that individual is not physically restrained then the only thing left is to assume that you were indicating that you believed that there individuals were either held mentally back by choice or by circumstances beyond their personal control.
As I once spent a lot of personal time working with persons that in the day were labeled as "retarded", they would now be called mentally challenged. I developed an understanding of the true meaning of the situation. A number of said individuals were more capable of rational thinking than that displayed those in the clip. More than that, most had at least the understanding to not speak when he did not understand what was happening.
Ego, I still believe you were being unfair.
I strongly suggest that you search for another word to replace your use of "retarded" in such situations. Otherwise you will be misunderstood or taken as having at least a poor vocabulary.
Matt
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261415 is a reply to message #261410] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 17:03 |
lotsofspareparts
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Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 14:05lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 12:21Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 05:56lotsofspareparts wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 19:35That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be correct at the exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
Stupid scare tactic.
My opinion of course.
Jared
Jared,
You are being very unfair to the mentally challenged folks. Most of them know when to keep their mouths closed.
Matt
That is a pretty retarded statement to me.
For one you are taking the word "retarded" and applying it to someone who is "mentally challenged", that is pretty sick in my mind.
I have never looked at or spoke to someone who was physically and or mentally challenged and thought they were retarded. That is cruel.
Retarded is a word that gets applied to everyone at one point in time. Every morning when I climb out of the shower I look at my arm and think "that tattoo is retarded".
We all make retarded moves at one point or another and if I ever heard someone call someone who was mentally challenged a retard in front of me.... we would have words!!
Think before you post Matt, don't make me out to be the bad guy when you can apparently look at someone who is disabled and think they are retarded.
Nuff Said!!
Jared
Jared,
Retarded means held back. That is what it means.
Now, Can you tell me how one holds back a Video?? (maybe runs it at 28FPS?)
When You Use it to label an individual (which you did), and that individual is not physically restrained then the only thing left is to assume that you were indicating that you believed that there individuals were either held mentally back by choice or by circumstances beyond their personal control.
As I once spent a lot of personal time working with persons that in the day were labeled as "retarded", they would now be called mentally challenged. I developed an understanding of the true meaning of the situation. A number of said individuals were more capable of rational thinking than that displayed those in the clip. More than that, most had at least the understanding to not speak when he did not understand what was happening.
Ego, I still believe you were being unfair.
I strongly suggest that you search for another word to replace your use of "retarded" in such situations. Otherwise you will be misunderstood or taken as having at least a poor vocabulary.
Matt
Matt take it how you want, it is no longer PC to consider any one with a mental or physical handicap "retarded". I never have used that word to describe someone with any sort of limitation. If you choose to take it as a derogatory reference to someone with Downs, MS, CP, Paraplegic, then you go ahead and take it that way..... which is overly UN PC. I use that word and so do many others to describe someone who has done or said something stupid. Where I work, if someone makes a mistake and you call them a retard, they will laugh. If you call them stupid, you might get punched.
Strongly suggest all you want, it is my word and I will use it if it apropos.
I'm sure everyone else who read my previous post knew exactly what I was getting at, meaning they didn't take it the wrong way.
To immediately assume that the word "Retard" or "Retarded" is being used to describe someone with a physical or mental handicap is a very antiquated way of thinking.
Jared
Edit, directly from Dictionary.com
Retard:
Verb (used with object)
1. To make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
Verb (used without object)
2. To be delayed.
Noun
3. A slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.
4. SLANG: Disparaging and Offensive. A. A contemptuous term used to refer to a person who cognitively impaired.
B. A person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way:
"A hopeless social retard."
5. Automotive, Machinery. an adjustment made in the setting of the distributor of an internal-combustion engine so that the spark for ignition in each cylinder is generated later in the cycle.
Now I want to see how you believe I was using the term "Retarded"
Jared
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261430 is a reply to message #261415] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 18:59 |
GMC.LES
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As the father of a child diagnosed with autism, the incorrect use of certain words can and does catch my attention. In this particular case, I understood what both Jared and Matt said initially and was not offended, but I can and will stand up when certain words are used in a potentially discriminatory or harmful manner towards the mentally challenged.
Words like "retard" may carry different meanings to different people. My teenage daughters have introduced me to a multitude of commonly misused words. I have done my best at informing them that some older folk and even those of different ethnic origin may misunderstand their use of those words. They generally understand and "adjust" their word usage to best match the group they are communicating with, out of respect.
On the web, we often write comments with a specific message in mind, only to have someone misunderstand what we meant to say. That can be one of the joys of language. Word selection can emphasize or minimize that effect, and we all should keep that in mind when addressing a public forum.
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On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Jared wrote:
Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 14:05
> lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 12:21
>> Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 05:56
>>> lotsofspareparts wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 19:35
>>>> That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
>>>> I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be
>>>> correct at the exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid scare tactic.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion of course.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>
>>> Jared,
>>>
>>> You are being very unfair to the mentally challenged folks. Most of them know when to keep their mouths closed.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> That is a pretty retarded statement to me.
>> For one you are taking the word "retarded" and applying it to someone who is "mentally challenged", that is pretty sick in my mind.
>> I have never looked at or spoke to someone who was physically and or mentally challenged and thought they were retarded. That is cruel.
>> Retarded is a word that gets applied to everyone at one point in time. Every morning when I climb out of the shower I look at my arm and think
>> "that tattoo is retarded".
>> We all make retarded moves at one point or another and if I ever heard someone call someone who was mentally challenged a retard in front of
>> me.... we would have words!!
>> Think before you post Matt, don't make me out to be the bad guy when you can apparently look at someone who is disabled and think they are
>> retarded.
>>
>> Nuff Said!!
>>
>> Jared
>
> Jared,
> Retarded means held back. That is what it means.
> Now, Can you tell me how one holds back a Video?? (maybe runs it at 28FPS?)
> When You Use it to label an individual (which you did), and that individual is not physically restrained then the only thing left is to assume
> that you were indicating that you believed that there individuals were either held mentally back by choice or by circumstances beyond their personal
> control.
>
> As I once spent a lot of personal time working with persons that in the day were labeled as "retarded", they would now be called mentally
> challenged. I developed an understanding of the true meaning of the situation. A number of said individuals were more capable of rational thinking
> than that displayed those in the clip. More than that, most had at least the understanding to not speak when he did not understand what was
> happening.
>
> Ego, I still believe you were being unfair.
>
> I strongly suggest that you search for another word to replace your use of "retarded" in such situations. Otherwise you will be misunderstood or
> taken as having at least a poor vocabulary.
>
> Matt
Matt take it how you want, it is no longer PC to consider any one with a mental or physical handicap "retarded". I never have used that word to
describe someone with any sort of limitation. If you choose to take it as a derogatory reference to someone with Downs, MS, CP, Parapalegic, then you
go ahead and take it that way..... which is overly PC. I use that word and so do many others to describe someone who has done or said something
stupid. Where I work, if someone makes a mistake and you call them a retard, they will laugh. If you call them stupid, you might get punched.
Strongly suggest all you want, it is my word and I will use it if it apropos.
I'm sure everyone else who read my previous post knew exactly what I was getting at, meaning they didn't take it the wrong way.
Jared
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261435 is a reply to message #261430] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 19:39 |
lotsofspareparts
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Hey Les, tried contacting you via PM, I even used your real screen name (awesome trick by the way). Even under your real screen name you don't accept PM's
You may have missed my edit as it was not included in your previous post (which quoted both Matt and myself) so it mat be that an edit does not get sent out to the email group.
If you log on to the forum and read my previous post above, you will see the direction I was going with my original statement.
Jared
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261443 is a reply to message #261297] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 20:01 |
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Two things come to mind. The first is a Thurber short story about the bear, the moral being "You might as well fall flat on your face as to bend over too far backward." I delight in taking text files and doing search-and=replace. Redact is replace with censor. Issue is replaced with problem. Etc.
Second is an experiment which a Boeing software guy in Wichita started back in the days of store - and -forward BBS forums in the '90s (Who remembers PCBoard?) His premise was, 'charged' words and obscenities lose their shock value very quickly when they are overused. The group still exists today, many of us gather on a regular basis. There was/is one Rule: if you crosspost out of the group without permission of the writer of the post, you are dropped from it. There is no appeal or recourse. Over the years we have lost less than ten people, and have also lost our tendency to overreact to what someone may of said.
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261444 is a reply to message #261443] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 20:22 |
lotsofspareparts
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 18:01Two things come to mind. The first is a Thurber short story about the bear, the moral being "You might as well fall flat on your face as to bend over too far backward." I delight in taking text files and doing search-and=replace. Redact is replace with censor. Issue is replaced with problem. Etc.
Second is an experiment which a Boeing software guy in Wichita started back in the days of store - and -forward BBS forums in the '90s (Who remembers PCBoard?) His premise was, 'charged' words and obscenities lose their shock value very quickly when they are overused. The group still exists today, many of us gather on a regular basis. There was/is one Rule: if you crosspost out of the group without permission of the writer of the post, you are dropped from it. There is no appeal or recourse. Over the years we have lost less than ten people, and have also lost our tendency to overreact to what someone may of said.
--johnny
Although I am not trying to be retarded I read and the re-read what you typed..... thrice...... the posting seems obscure and could be interpreted in a few different ways........
Not sure if it is complimentary to what I posted, or uncomplimentary to what I posted.
Just saying......
Jared
edit, I got the part about the bear.....
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261452 is a reply to message #261297] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 21:04 |
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Quick question Larry, would you regard the way they handled this experiment as "Stupid"?
Jared
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261464 is a reply to message #261297] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 23:28 |
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Brings back memories of the Chevy K20 crew cab pickup that was in a wreck and a young man died inside it when the fuel tank reportedly blew up. And of course, if you recall, Diane Sawyer and her crew went out to investigate, with explosives so if the truck did not catch fire in a crash, they would make sure it did. After the explosives were found on the then burnt vehicle, all Sawyer said was she was sorry for manipulation fo the report.
Does is seem strange, that in the news report for the gas, they show open tubes pumping propane into the car and explosives under the hood, "JUST TO MAKE SURE IT IGNITES".
I am not a scientist but I know propane has to puddle, that is, it needs to become a certan amount puddled before it will even burn, same goes for an explosion. I don't trust the news and I don't trust the station Sawyer works for today but there are people that think the news is the truth and don't understand what you have to do to make propane ignite or even to make it explode.
Must have been like a bunch of circus clowns out there trying to get their view point to appear on camera.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261469 is a reply to message #261435] |
Wed, 10 September 2014 00:39 |
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Jared,
I immediately understood your comments on the video and agree with you. I actually chuckled after giving your comments a few minutes of thought. Because the word "retard" touches a tender spot for me, I would have chosen a different wording to describe those thoughts. Perhaps a statement such as "That video is idiotic!" might have conveyed your thoughts equally as well without being potentially offensive.
I went online and read your edit. No, edits do not make it out to the e-mail list. It is actually better to post your edits as a reply if you want them to reach everyone.
You refer to an antiquated way of thinking. Given the age of many of the members here, I could easily see how such a way of thinking might be prevalent at times on GMCnet. Which way of thinking is right, yours, mine, theirs? We all are entitled to our opinions, but being respectful in public when expressing an opinion sure helps reduce any risk of offending others. You never know how others will comprehend your comments.
In this present world of political correctness, use of words like retard are more openly frowned upon. I think that reaction was obvious in this case. Don`t take it personally, just listen and learn. Since when did being respectful & polite become antiquated?
Les Burt
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261477 is a reply to message #261297] |
Wed, 10 September 2014 07:49 |
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Jared, I see the obscurity. Don't worry over it, it was and is an experiment in communications without repercussions. It works only in a closed environment, butt surprisingly, there it works well, and the 'charged' words and terms quickly lose their emotional charge.
As to news reports, people please believe, the major networks have little or no interest in hard news, and seldom present any. "If it bleeds it leads" is the mantra in TV and radio newsrooms. In point of fact, the most accurate (uncolored) news available today is from Al-Jazeera America. Their reporters are drawn from CNN and other 'news' outlets, and were lured by the promise of hard news instead of what they were doing. And that's a hell of a comment on the media these days.
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261488 is a reply to message #261452] |
Wed, 10 September 2014 10:26 |
larry.whisler
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I think that performing a demonstration and manipulating the circumstances
and facts to get intended results isn't the smartest approach.
As I said, they vented 3 cans of the stuff and ignited with an open spark plug.
The report made the comment that most cars have spark plugs and that would be
an immediate source for the ignition. Most cars do have spark plugs, but they
are not positioned where this group of clowns put it but they didn't report that.
I would also expect that it took them several times to position the propane cans
and fire the plug too get the results they wanted.
The interior explosion with the candle was very impressive. I drive around all the time
with a lit candle in the car. And by what means they applied the HC-12A to the interior
is still a mystery from the report.
They made their point that the stuff is flammable. Duh! So is the gasoline in the
tank, the motor oil in the crankcase, the transmission fluid,the oil in the
a/c compressor, the brake fluid in your brake master cylinder, and the grease in your wheel bearings.
It was a really shoddy piece of reporting and those that did the demonstrations were
clearly biased.
The problem is that the viewers that see this will take the whole report at face value and
don't understand the entire picture. Also, as was reported, since the EPA bans the use of HC-12A in vehicle
a/c's, it must be right.
Einstein once said "Insanity is doing the same experiment over and over and expecting different
results.' I think this would also apply here. Changing the experiment to get the intended results
would fall into the same category. What does it accomplish?
jmt
larry
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261490 is a reply to message #261297] |
Wed, 10 September 2014 10:52 |
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That bogus "news" story reminds me of a couple other hatchet jobs the media did on other cars.
The first one that springs to mind was the "Audi unintended acceleration" issue from (IIRC) the 80's. Despite CLEAR evidence to the contrary, 60 Minutes presented the sensational story as if these evil cars really WERE taking off on their own (ignoring all the evidence they had to the contrary). They even "demonstrated" an Audi failing, by manually creating a number of very unlikely failures in the transmission and engine management systems (though they didn't 'fess up to their manipulation, but passed it off like a typical Audi). The nonsense wouldn't fool anyone who knew anything about cars (or physics!) but there are enough automotive illiterates out there that it nearly ruined Audi in the US.
Another was the media's fixation on the Suzuki Samurai (one of the favorite towds of the GMC world, of course). Because of the idiotic way the gov't decided to rate SUVs for rollover risk (basically height divided by width), the Samurai came out as the "worst". Of course, the gov't totally ignored "little stuff" like the actual center of gravity, so the Samurai was really better than a whole lot of other SUVs, but that didn't keep the media from piling on.
It's always important to remember how the media thinks - "never let the facts stand in the way of a good story".
Mark Hickey
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261500 is a reply to message #261297] |
Wed, 10 September 2014 13:48 |
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All is fine with me as long as everyone understands that it was not my intention to offend anyone.
I wasn't raised to think of the word retard or retarded to mean anything except that someone is/has doing/done or saying/said something dumb or stupid.
Jared
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261507 is a reply to message #261344] |
Wed, 10 September 2014 15:32 |
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Chr$ wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 21:18I live in Phoenix. Channel 15 News sucks.
Chris--that's a very derogatory remark for those that s..k. Just kidding of course.
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261571 is a reply to message #261297] |
Thu, 11 September 2014 09:09 |
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1 i'm not a fan of political correctness, but it's the new way and it's sort of the law of the land. It has cost many businesses a lot of money in recent news stories
2 i imagine besides Dateline hurting GM truck ssles, it took money out of American UAW workers pockets at keast in the form of overtime and possibly layoffs
3 Someone with deeper pockets than I should do scientific lab and field crash testing for fire and toxins for R12,134a and HC12 equipt vehicles on a pure sceintific level. Except venting R12 is illegal and burning 134a can be deadly.
4 if your timing is retarded you will waste fuel and waste exhaust valves or worse
John Lebetski
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