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Wed, 18 June 2014 11:04   |
glenn2726
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Again Jim, we have stayed at the Waters Edge RV Park many times and you are right it is a great place to camp, just back up to the water and enjoy the deck. You are finding my best kept secrets...lol Hope you continue to have a great trip and find many more great camping spots.
Glenn W
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252586 is a reply to message #252095] |
Wed, 18 June 2014 22:30 |
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Duane,
Another bunch of my suggestions which will be wrong, so you can eliminate them and find out what will really be the problem.
Here goes: Could the advance plate inside the distributor be hanging up? Too much advance causes knocking, thus the rattling noise? Or the distributor is set too far advanced (only if it has recently been fooled with)? Or the distributor hold down bolt is loose and the distributor has rotated, giving too much advance? What about the advance weights, are they rusted to their pivots stuck advanced, giving that rattling sound from knocking? They should snap shut when you advance them manually with the engine off. Check the advance springs, one per weight. Total of two inside the distributor. If you can somehow get it to high rpm with high torque, if the noise is spark knock, it shouldn't be as bad, as high rpm means the engine can tolerate more advance. Put it into second gear and see if the rattle disappears at the same road speed, even though you asking for more torque to equal the torque in drive gear. If so, suspect some problem with the advance mechanism, whether centrifugal or vacuum. You might pinch off the vacuum advance line, therefore disabling it, and it would give you ten degrees less advance. It might give less spark knock, but I think it would be far better to have it all working right.
Probably you have an electronic distributor and all this helpful advice is worthless.
Eliminating that, I just don't know. If it isn't spark knock, it sounds expensive, but you are due for a break.
Best,
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252587 is a reply to message #252586] |
Wed, 18 June 2014 22:37 |
dwayne jacobson[1]
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Brand new Dick Paterson distributor.. However maybe it is off. Will look
at this.
The clicking noise first sounded like an exhaust leak. Not.
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carey Bryan wrote:
> Duane,
>
> Another bunch of my suggestions which will be wrong, so you can eliminate
> them and find out what will really be the problem.
>
> Here goes: Could the advance plate inside the distributor be hanging up?
> Too much advance causes knocking, thus the rattling noise? Or the
> distributor is set too far advanced (only if it has recently been fooled
> with)? Or the distributor hold down bolt is loose and the distributor has
> rotated, giving too much advance? What about the advance weights, are
> they rusted to their pivots stuck advanced, giving that rattling sound from
> knocking? They should snap shut when you advance them manually with the
> engine off. Check the advance springs, one per weight. Total of two inside
> the distributor. If you can somehow get it to high rpm with high torque,
> if the noise is spark knock, it shouldn't be as bad, as high rpm means the
> engine can tolerate more advance. Put it into second gear and see if the
> rattle disappears at the same road speed, even though you asking for more
> torque to equal the torque in drive gear. If so, suspect some problem
> with the advance mechanism, whether centrifugal or vacuum. You might pinch
> off
> the vacuum advance line, therefore disabling it, and it would give you ten
> degrees less advance. It might give less spark knock, but I think it would
> be far better to have it all working right.
>
> Probably you have an electronic distributor and all this helpful advice is
> worthless.
>
> Eliminating that, I just don't know. If it isn't spark knock, it sounds
> expensive, but you are due for a break.
>
> Best,
>
> Carey
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> 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252589 is a reply to message #252581] |
Wed, 18 June 2014 22:40 |
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dwayne jacobson[1 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:04]We are in a campsite in brigham ut.
We nursed the coach here. When ever er apply torque theres a rattling noise
coming up from the engine compart. Take the foot off thr gas it g oes quiet.
Help
dwayne j
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Dwayne,
Dan Gregg had a similar issue, noise coming from engine compartment under certain conditions, right after an engine overhaul. It turned out to be the AC compressor coming in contact with the body IIRC. Ken Burton helped diagnose the problem. Maybe he or Dan will have some additional input. Just another possibility.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252590 is a reply to message #252589] |
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Carl S. wrote on Wed, 18 June 2014 22:40dwayne jacobson[1 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:04]We are in a campsite in brigham ut.
We nursed the coach here. When ever er apply torque theres a rattling noise
coming up from the engine compart. Take the foot off thr gas it g oes quiet.
Help
dwayne j
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Dwayne,
Dan Gregg had a similar issue, noise coming from engine compartment under certain conditions, right after an engine overhaul. It turned out to be the AC compressor coming in contact with the body IIRC. Ken Burton helped diagnose the problem. Maybe he or Dan will have some additional input. Just another possibility.
Yep, sure did. Good memory Carl. The mechanic put spacer in wrong place. When I turned on air and clutch moved out a little it hit the floor mount arm for the cab. We swapped compressor and found problem. The compressor we put on leaked so ended up with old one back on and 6000 miles later works great. Never know. If you are running engine air, turn it off and see.
We are thinking about you. I know how it is, been there twice.
Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252591 is a reply to message #252581] |
Wed, 18 June 2014 23:00 |
Ken Burton
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dwayne jacobson[1 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2014 22:04]We are in a campsite in brigham ut.
We nursed the coach here. When ever er apply torque theres a rattling noise
coming up from the engine compart. Take the foot off thr gas it g oes quiet.
Help
dwayne j
I assume that the engine came with a new distributor already installed.
I am guessing what you are hearing is ignition ping (knock) if this true then the ignition timing is advanced too much. There are 3 components to the timing. Static, mechanical, and vacuum. As a quick check you could disconnect the hose to the vacuum advance and see if the noise goes away. Simply pull the hose off and see if the symptoms change. If they do then you have verified this is an ignition advance problem.
Now the question is which of the three (static, mechanical, or vacuum) is the problem.
I would note exactly where the distributor is sitting rotation wise. Then grab the cap and try to rotate it counter clock wise. If it will move, rotate it slightly and tighten the bolt at the base of the distributor. If it still rattles slightly then rotate it a little more and tighten the bolt again. Someone forgot to tighten it on your engine install or you may have gotten some of the less than 87 octane gas that they sell at higher altitudes out west. Filling the tank with higher octane fuel would also help until you can get the timing set correctly.
There are other things that can cause ignition ping. These are just starters.
If it is not ping, then we need to start looking at mechanical things. I wish you were closer. I would come help.
I should have said this up front but CALL DICK P.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252595 is a reply to message #252590] |
Wed, 18 June 2014 23:05 |
dwayne jacobson[1]
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it's been cool today and not using the AC at all. I open the hatch - motor
idling - no odd noise. Step on the gas hard and the clicking starts.
foot of the gas and it goes quiet. Start out in drive slow applying gas
and no strange sounds - get it up to around 40 plus and apply gas to speed
up and it starts. less at first and as I continue to apply gas it gets
louder. ease off on gas - goes quiet or at time faint.
At 35 go into 2nd and bring it up to 40 on an incline - the noise starts -
ease off on gas and it quietens down. I drove for a ways with the hatch
open and it really sounds like coming from the back of the engine - tranny
area on the passenger side.
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Dan Gregg wrote:
> Carl S. wrote on Wed, 18 June 2014 22:40
>> dwayne jacobson[1
>>> wrote on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:04]We are in a campsite in brigham ut.
>>> We nursed the coach here. When ever er apply torque theres a rattling
> noise
>>> coming up from the engine compart. Take the foot off thr gas it g oes
> quiet.
>>> Help
>>>
>>> dwayne j
>>>
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>> Dwayne,
>>
>> Dan Gregg had a similar issue, noise coming from engine compartment
> under certain conditions, right after an engine overhaul. It turned out to
> be
>> the AC compressor coming in contact with the body IIRC. Ken Burton
> helped diagnose the problem. Maybe he or Dan will have some additional
> input.
>> Just another possibility.
>
>
> Yep, sure did. Good memory Carl. The mechanic put spacer in wrong place.
> When I turned on air and clutch moved out a little it hit the floor mount
> arm
> for the cab. We swapped compressor and found problem. The compressor we
> put on leaked so ended up with old one back on and 6000 miles later works
> great. Never know. If you are running engine air, turn it off and see.
> We are thinking about you. I know how it is, been there twice.
> Dan
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252606 is a reply to message #252581] |
Thu, 19 June 2014 06:15 |
Ken Henderson
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Dwayne,
Perhaps the transmission mounts were not re-tightened, allowing the drive
train to rotate under torque and the fan to hit the shroud?
I'm about to replace those mounts for my Cad500 because of that occasional
problem when I fully use the Cad's torque.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:04 PM, dwayne jacobson wrote:[/color]
> We are in a campsite in brigham ut.
> We nursed the coach here. When ever er apply torque theres a rattling
> noise
> coming up from the engine compart. Take the foot off thr gas it g oes
> quiet.
> Help
>
> dwayne j
> On 2014-06-18 9:04 AM, "Glenn Whitt" wrote:
>
>> Again Jim, we have stayed at the Waters Edge RV Park many times and you
>> are right it is a great place to camp, just back up to the water and
> enjoy
>> the
>> deck. You are finding my best kept secrets...lol Hope you continue to
>> have a great trip and find many more great camping spots.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252611 is a reply to message #252606] |
Thu, 19 June 2014 07:24 |
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Well, Thursday with the GMC Route 66 Rolling Rally finds us at Oklahoma
City, OK. Presently experiencing an electrical storm with rain. No Hail as
of yet. Yesterday was a real scorcher. Ran generators and roof airs for
much of the afternoon. We were rejoined by John and Deb Harper last
evening. Camping World had them towed to a nearby specialty shop who deals
in Rochester Quadrajet Carbs. They took the carb off and put it on their
bench, and guess what. The float was sitting on the bottom of the float
bowl. The original carb, which Camping World replaced with a different year
carb, had a sunk float. The replacement carb ran from Tuscon to Potato
Creek State Park, IN. and from there to Chicago. When leaving, they were
experiencing rich running and stall outs. They limped in to the 4H
campground in Pontiac, IL. I took the carb apart and found the float full
of Gasoline. Soldered up the 3 leaks and we left for Springfield, IL. No
problems. Then on to Cahokia, IL where we again had problems. Ran rich, so
drove straight through to Randy VanWinkle's where I changed the float with
a new one. Wasn't quite right, a bit too high. Lowered the float level
beside the road. Got as far as Joplin, MO where it quit again. Went back to
Camping World on the Hook, about a 220 mile tow job. Now on float number 3.
This time we opted for a plastic one instead of a brass one. We will see
how far this one gets before it goes sideways. I have been working on
Quadrajets since the 70's when they first were introduced. Never have I
seen issues with the floats until now. Can't explain it. We leave for Elk
City, OK after a while. We will see how it does on the road.
Jim and Judy Route 66 Rolling Rally
Oklahoma City, OK.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Dwayne,
>
> Perhaps the transmission mounts were not re-tightened, allowing the drive
> train to rotate under torque and the fan to hit the shroud?
>
> I'm about to replace those mounts for my Cad500 because of that occasional
> problem when I fully use the Cad's torque.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:04 PM, dwayne jacobson dwayne.jacobson@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> We are in a campsite in brigham ut.
>> We nursed the coach here. When ever er apply torque theres a rattling
>> noise
>> coming up from the engine compart. Take the foot off thr gas it g oes
>> quiet.
>> Help
>>
>> dwayne j
>> On 2014-06-18 9:04 AM, "Glenn Whitt" wrote:
>>
>>> Again Jim, we have stayed at the Waters Edge RV Park many times and you
>>> are right it is a great place to camp, just back up to the water and
>> enjoy
>>> the
>>> deck. You are finding my best kept secrets...lol Hope you continue to
>>> have a great trip and find many more great camping spots.
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252615 is a reply to message #252611] |
Thu, 19 June 2014 08:25 |
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Is the "rally" just overnighting in OKC? Lots of stuff to see here!
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~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
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> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:24:29 -0400
> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally.
>
> Well, Thursday with the GMC Route 66 Rolling Rally finds us at Oklahoma
> City, OK. Presently experiencing an electrical storm with rain. No Hail as
> of yet. Yesterday was a real scorcher. Ran generators and roof airs for
> much of the afternoon. We were rejoined by John and Deb Harper last
> evening. Camping World had them towed to a nearby specialty shop who deals
> in Rochester Quadrajet Carbs. They took the carb off and put it on their
> bench, and guess what. The float was sitting on the bottom of the float
> bowl. The original carb, which Camping World replaced with a different year
> carb, had a sunk float. The replacement carb ran from Tuscon to Potato
> Creek State Park, IN. and from there to Chicago. When leaving, they were
> experiencing rich running and stall outs. They limped in to the 4H
> campground in Pontiac, IL. I took the carb apart and found the float full
> of Gasoline. Soldered up the 3 leaks and we left for Springfield, IL. No
> problems. Then on to Cahokia, IL where we again had problems. Ran rich, so
> drove straight through to Randy VanWinkle's where I changed the float with
> a new one. Wasn't quite right, a bit too high. Lowered the float level
> beside the road. Got as far as Joplin, MO where it quit again. Went back to
> Camping World on the Hook, about a 220 mile tow job. Now on float number 3.
> This time we opted for a plastic one instead of a brass one. We will see
> how far this one gets before it goes sideways. I have been working on
> Quadrajets since the 70's when they first were introduced. Never have I
> seen issues with the floats until now. Can't explain it. We leave for Elk
> City, OK after a while. We will see how it does on the road.
> Jim and Judy Route 66 Rolling Rally
> Oklahoma City, OK.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252617 is a reply to message #252615] |
Thu, 19 June 2014 09:08 |
James Hupy
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Mac, we are here by intent, and had made tentative plans for activities in
the area. Unfortunatly, one of our group arrived at the end of a tow truck,
so that altered our plans somewhat. They rejoined us last evening and we
are hopeful that we can get back on track. Our destination for this evening
is Elk City. Presently holed up at Council Road RV Park on 8108 S.W. 8th
St. Very near a large truck stop and a freeway or turnpike (drive for pay)
road. Will be here for a bit longer this morning, then we will head for
Elk City. Normal travel for the rolling rally is to see as many of the
still existing roadside attractions on the ORIGINAL route 66. Bridges, blue
whale water slides, still in business small Americana types of things that
the interstate highways and mega marts have all but destroyed. Look quick
America, times they are a'changin', to quote a line from a Bob Dylan song.
It was Dwayne Jacobson as well as my intent from the start of this rally to
proceed like we have. We wanted to get together with as many of the GMC
clubs and owners as was possible. So far, The Great Lakers, Flatlanders,
Ron Morrison, Bob Shilling, and others. Got an opportunity to put names and
faces together. Great fellowship. Personally, Local attractions like
Branson hold very little interest for me. Things like the Will Rogers
Museum are more to my taste. Lincoln Museum is something that all Americans
should be required to visit. It is just the way we roll.
Jim Hupy
Route 66 Rolling Rally
On Jun 19, 2014 8:25 AM, "D C _Mac_ Macdonald" wrote:
> Is the "rally" just overnighting in OKC? Lots of stuff to see here!
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
> ~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:24:29 -0400
>> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally.
>>
>> Well, Thursday with the GMC Route 66 Rolling Rally finds us at Oklahoma
>> City, OK. Presently experiencing an electrical storm with rain. No Hail
> as
>> of yet. Yesterday was a real scorcher. Ran generators and roof airs for
>> much of the afternoon. We were rejoined by John and Deb Harper last
>> evening. Camping World had them towed to a nearby specialty shop who
> deals
>> in Rochester Quadrajet Carbs. They took the carb off and put it on their
>> bench, and guess what. The float was sitting on the bottom of the float
>> bowl. The original carb, which Camping World replaced with a different
> year
>> carb, had a sunk float. The replacement carb ran from Tuscon to Potato
>> Creek State Park, IN. and from there to Chicago. When leaving, they were
>> experiencing rich running and stall outs. They limped in to the 4H
>> campground in Pontiac, IL. I took the carb apart and found the float full
>> of Gasoline. Soldered up the 3 leaks and we left for Springfield, IL. No
>> problems. Then on to Cahokia, IL where we again had problems. Ran rich,
> so
>> drove straight through to Randy VanWinkle's where I changed the float
> with
>> a new one. Wasn't quite right, a bit too high. Lowered the float level
>> beside the road. Got as far as Joplin, MO where it quit again. Went back
> to
>> Camping World on the Hook, about a 220 mile tow job. Now on float number
> 3.
>> This time we opted for a plastic one instead of a brass one. We will see
>> how far this one gets before it goes sideways. I have been working on
>> Quadrajets since the 70's when they first were introduced. Never have I
>> seen issues with the floats until now. Can't explain it. We leave for Elk
>> City, OK after a while. We will see how it does on the road.
>> Jim and Judy Route 66 Rolling Rally
>> Oklahoma City, OK.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Route 66 Rolling Rally. [message #252618 is a reply to message #252612] |
Thu, 19 June 2014 09:14 |
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WD0AFQ wrote on Thu, 19 June 2014 07:49Yes, check rear motor mounts. I had that happen also. Raise hatch, put in reverse, foot on brake, see what happens. My engine would try to come out of its cradle. Nothing, then throw into drive, foot on brake, give it the gas. Check for the least bit of rocking.
Every bolt near the starter area. Just does not sound internal to me.
Let us know Dwayne cuz we are riding with you.
Dan
Dan nailed the test for bad motor mounts. One thing is that an exhaust leak can appear and sometimes disappear with movement of the engine. Again, torquing the engine with the brake on should let that show up.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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