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Wed, 16 April 2014 08:54   |
Ken Henderson
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Ken,
Your mention of that tire cage reminded me of when I was flying the MC-130,
doing ground-to-air man pickups. We inflated 20" OD spherical fiberglass
helium bottles to 3000 psi in such a cage. Never had one explode, but it
sure scared the heck out of me every time I, as the Fulton Recovery
Officer, watched my crews charge them. I'm not at all sure the cage would
have even slightly restrained the explosion. :-(
Ken H.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I spent a few months working midnights in the garage at a steel mill.
> Almost all I did was replace big tires. Split rims were about all we had.
> We had a great big cage made out of about 3/4" steel bars. We rolled the
> tires inside of it and attached an air chuck. Then we stood back and let
> it air up. One guy, not on my shift, had one blow apart. I was shocked at
> how much damage it caused to the cage.
>
> I did not last too long there before I moved on. It was probably the
> worse job I ever had. I did knock over a metal light pole one night with
> a Clark strattle truck. It had no brakes when I went to pick it up and
> no one told me. They never found out it was me and it was still bent over
> at a 45 when I left there.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247587 is a reply to message #247507] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 09:31 |
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The gas station I worked in as a kid (remember those)had the contract to maintain all the bread truck tyres for the Merita Bakery terminal next door. I've had a couple of split rims undergo 'rapid disassembly' in the inflation cage. The cages >will< withstand a hell of an explosion and contain the pieces. I was told this was so because there's a bit of space between the pieces and the cage walls which actually allows much of the energy dissipate before they hit it.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247590 is a reply to message #247572] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 09:32 |
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A trucker told me that I wouldn't have to stop at the weigh stations, but
in Florida I had better stop at the agricultural inspection station. He
said he'd seen plenty of U-Haul's etc. that didn't stop at the agricultural
inspection station get chased down and pulled over.
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> I'm not sure what the GVWR of the truck is, but robin may need a CDL.
> However, FMCSA specifically says that the private transportation of
> household goods is excluded from it's regulations. That applies to weigh
> stations on interstates and some local state roads may be different if
> monitred by local agencies. When the signs say "all trucks must stop" they
> usually mean commercial trucks. If thee truck does not display a DOT
> number, it is not a commercial truck. The CDL requirement is not related to
> whether the truck is commercial or not.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247602 is a reply to message #247580] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 10:52 |
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KenB,
At Westover the Mechanical Accessories Shop was in the main DC Hanger along with the tire shop. One evening on swing shift we heard
a huge explosion and ran outside. Turned out that a new kid had disassembled a B-52 tire without making sure it was de-pressurized.
It was the last tire he ever worked on.
KenH,
I spent a 30 day TDY at Tuy Hoa AFB where they had HC-130P aircraft that were setup to haul downed pilots out of the sea was the
MC-130 a similar A/C?
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson
Ken,
Your mention of that tire cage reminded me of when I was flying the MC-130,
doing ground-to-air man pickups. We inflated 20" OD spherical fiberglass
helium bottles to 3000 psi in such a cage. Never had one explode, but it
sure scared the heck out of me every time I, as the Fulton Recovery
Officer, watched my crews charge them. I'm not at all sure the cage would
have even slightly restrained the explosion. :-(
Ken H.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
> I spent a few months working midnights in the garage at a steel mill.
> Almost all I did was replace big tires. Split rims were about all we had.
> We had a great big cage made out of about 3/4" steel bars. We rolled the
> tires inside of it and attached an air chuck. Then we stood back and let
> it air up. One guy, not on my shift, had one blow apart. I was shocked at
> how much damage it caused to the cage.
>
> I did not last too long there before I moved on. It was probably the
> worse job I ever had. I did knock over a metal light pole one night with
> a Clark strattle truck. It had no brakes when I went to pick it up and
> no one told me. They never found out it was me and it was still bent over
> at a 45 when I left there.
> --
> Ken
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247622 is a reply to message #247602] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 13:06 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
The HC-130's (NOT P's but H's in those days) were equipped with the same
Fulton Recovery system. But NOT for picking anyone out of the sea -- or
even a life raft because of the size & weight of the two required helium
bottles, suit/harness, and 500' lift line. Nor did anyone except our
Special Operations MC-130's keep the equipment operational nor have the
recovery mission assigned.
My outfit, the 15th SOS, stationed at Nha Trang, had the ground-to-air
recovery responsibility for all of the Pacific region. That's why I had
blanket worldwide travel orders with me at all times. The only man
recovery I personally flew was a demonstration for the Jungle Survival
School at the base of Mt. Penatubo in the Phillippines -- the 148th in the
"record book".
Ken H.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> KenH,
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> I spent a 30 day TDY at Tuy Hoa AFB where they had HC-130P aircraft that
> were setup to haul downed pilots out of the sea was the
> MC-130 a similar A/C?
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247626 is a reply to message #247507] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 13:35 |
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Ken -
Were not the HC 130s used to recover things coming down as opposed to up?
I've seen the footage of the guy being plucked by one of yours - it probably was the demo you flew that they filmed. Small world. And, from the footage, it looked like an E - ticket ride. Beat the hell out of getting shot, I suppose.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247645 is a reply to message #247622] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 18:46 |
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Ken,
My TDY in mid 1968 with the 39th ARRS which conflicts with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Rescue_Squadron and
the aircraft we had were HC-130P modified to refuel helicopters as per: http://www.aero-web.org/specs/lockheed/hc-130p.htm
My memory is extremely foggy but I "heard" that there were attempts at picking up downed pilots but were never successful. The rapid
acceleration pilots were subjected to when lifted caused injuries. Supposedly the got one up onto the open rear ramp but when they
disconnected him from the rescue cable he fell back out of the aircraft.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Rob,
The HC-130's (NOT P's but H's in those days) were equipped with the same
Fulton Recovery system. But NOT for picking anyone out of the sea -- or
even a life raft because of the size & weight of the two required helium
bottles, suit/harness, and 500' lift line. Nor did anyone except our
Special Operations MC-130's keep the equipment operational nor have the
recovery mission assigned.
My outfit, the 15th SOS, stationed at Nha Trang, had the ground-to-air
recovery responsibility for all of the Pacific region. That's why I had
blanket worldwide travel orders with me at all times. The only man
recovery I personally flew was a demonstration for the Jungle Survival
School at the base of Mt. Penatubo in the Phillippines -- the 148th in the
"record book".
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247664 is a reply to message #247645] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 20:57 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
I sure didn't think the P came along that early; I guess I missed it when
they added the refueling capability. All of ARRS's HC's were at one time
equipped with the Fulton gear, but I don't know that they every attempted a
rescue -- and I don't remember what their test program was like.
Presumably the 147 preceding my recovery included those.
The Fulton Recovery system was very safe, and did NOT subject the
passengers to excessive stresses. The 10% stretch built into the 500'
doyor 750' night nylon lift line (of which I still have hundreds of
feet),
combined with the geometry made the lift pretty gentle. While the
instrumentation showed a very brief spike to about 8g, the overall lift,
for only a few seconds was around 3g. As the Fulton Recovery Officer, I
did the pre-demonstration ground work, briefings, and debriefings for
demonstrations all over SEA. The subjects always reported that it was a
gentle, exciting ride that they'd like to repeat (granted, most of them
were a little on the, what shall I say, fringey, side -- a Special Forces
Major in Thailand wasn't allowed back in RVN after 5 tours, including 3
escapes from the VC).
As for injuries, the Army attempted to use Caribous for recovery; it didn't
have the power or inertia for the job; they drug a few volunteers through
the pines -- but never killed anyone. While two-man recoveries were
authorized, they were discouraged because they generally were not very
aerodynamic and tended to spin -- at 150 mph, that's not consider fun even
by the "fringest". The only recorded fatality, which you mentioned, was
when the Navy, during a test, got a guy on the ramp and disconnected the
lift line from his harness before securing him with a safety line; still a
bit unsteady, he fell off the ramp. Our procedures were such that once we
captured the 10,000# test lift line, we never let it be attached at less
than two places.
Lest anyone misunderstand my affection for the system: When I arrived at
Nha Trang, the tradition was that the Squadron Commander's and the Fulton
Recovery Officer's last end-of-tour flights were boarded via the Fulton
system. I was not at all bashful about informing everyone that I neither
abandon flyable airplanes nor attempt to board them when they're already
flying -- that tradition died upon my departure. :-)
No, I didn't use a GMC as a crew bus -- the closest I can get to including
relevance here!
Ken H.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> My TDY in mid 1968 with the 39th ARRS which conflicts with:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Rescue_Squadron and
> the aircraft we had were HC-130P modified to refuel helicopters as per:
> http://www.aero-web.org/specs/lockheed/hc-130p.htm
>
> My memory is extremely foggy but I "heard" that there were attempts at
> picking up downed pilots but were never successful. The rapid
> acceleration pilots were subjected to when lifted caused injuries.
> Supposedly the got one up onto the open rear ramp but when they
> disconnected him from the rescue cable he fell back out of the aircraft.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247671 is a reply to message #247626] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 22:24 |
Ken Henderson
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Johnny,
No, the JC-130 was used for satellite recovery. I spent 3 years in that
program in Hawaii, which set me up for the MC-130 job in Vietnam. Then to
Edwards AFB doing flight tests for the JC operation.
Ken H.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
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> Were not the HC 130s used to recover things coming down as opposed to up?
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247684 is a reply to message #247507] |
Thu, 17 April 2014 06:26 |
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OK, thanks. They've made a zillion variants of the 130, my first Atlanta job was in studios up at the Platinum Triangle in Galleria 300. The jocks used to watch 130s arriving and leaving the plant out the studio window. I believe they're still making 130s and P3s up there.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247685 is a reply to message #247669] |
Thu, 17 April 2014 06:47 |
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"Bob de Kruyff asked"
Robin--are you still with us?
Na, he heard an ambulance go by:-)
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> Robin--are you still with us?
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247689 is a reply to message #247687] |
Thu, 17 April 2014 08:44 |
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On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
> OH OH Here come the lawyer jokes.
One afternoon a lawyer was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the roadside eating grass. Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and got out to investigate. "Why are you eating grass?", he asked one man. "We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied. "we have to eat grass." "Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you," the lawyer said. "But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They're over there, under that tree." "Bring them along," the lawyer replied.
Turning to the other poor man he said, "You may come with us also." The second man, in a pitiful voice then said, "Sir, I also have a wife and six children with me!" "Bring them all as well," the lawyer answered. They all entered the car, no easy task, even for the stretch limo.
Once under way, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said, Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you. The lawyer replied, "Glad to do it. You'll really love my place, the grass is almost a foot high."
Tim Conway
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247712 is a reply to message #247689] |
Thu, 17 April 2014 11:11 |
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Oh mah jeebus! LOL!! :)
We are on the road to get the truck. Video is being taken. :)
On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Tim Conway <mactac735@mac.com> wrote:
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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> > OH OH Here come the lawyer jokes.
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> One afternoon a lawyer was riding in his limousine when he saw two men
> along the roadside eating grass. Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop
> and got out to investigate. "Why are you eating grass?", he asked one man.
> "We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied. "we have to eat
> grass." "Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you,"
> the lawyer said. "But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They're
> over there, under that tree." "Bring them along," the lawyer replied.
>
> Turning to the other poor man he said, "You may come with us also." The
> second man, in a pitiful voice then said, "Sir, I also have a wife and six
> children with me!" "Bring them all as well," the lawyer answered. They all
> entered the car, no easy task, even for the stretch limo.
>
> Once under way, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said,
> “Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you.” The
> lawyer replied, "Glad to do it. You'll really love my place, the grass is
> almost a foot high."
>
> Tim Conway
> LI NY 78 PB
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