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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292554 is a reply to message #292524]

Sun, 20 December 2015 10:52

GMC.LES

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I can tell you that here in Quebec, where vehicle theft and illegal VIN rebadging were quite common right into the late 90s. Your coach would never pass the required MOT inspection to get it legally licensed and driveable. The biggest flag would be the Xed out VIN, which would require a legal document to explain when and why it was altered. The next flag would be the '73 numbers not matching the '76 title. Upon presenting your coach for inspection here, it would be seized by the law officials and you would have a big fight to get it back. Any time or money you have invested into the coach might be lost if it was determined that the coach was indeed stolen and the affected insurance company wanted to take back the coach.

Even if it was not stolen, the red tape required to clear the title due to the questionable VIN alteration would be a major PITA.

I would assume that Quebec is not the only region of NA where there is a low tolerance for these sorts of VIN anomalies. I do know that even if you are just passing through Quebec as a tourist. If you get stopped by an overly curious cop that notices something unusual with your vehicle ID, there is a high risk of having it seized and submitted for investigation. You would have no legal recourse for any incurred expenses due to the inconvenience. The actual likelihood of this happening is very low, but it is possible.

For the above reasons, I would have only considered the coach as a parts vehicle. I would have never considered investing a red cent into rebuilding it for road service.

For someone who is overly cautious about sharing their identity, you are much less concerned about the risks surrounding a questionable VIN that will raise flags with any MOT/DOT inspector. You have a lot of faith to think they will look the other way. Hopefully you are well prepared with documented facts to support your efforts.

If your coach did indeed leave the factory with an altered VIN, I would think that GM would have issued a document explaining/justifying the anomaly. I as the original purchasing customer would want such a document as proof that I am in the clear should the issue be disputed later on.

I am extremely interested in your progress regarding these issues. I've had several close friends here in Quebec that were victims of VIN fraud. I've seen how the VINs were altered on their vehicles, and yours would a sloppy example in comparision.

Wishing you the best success with your coach.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)

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		TZE166V902114 the odd number project. By: Anonymous on Sun, 29 November 2015 21:20
		Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. By: Anonymous on Sun, 29 November 2015 21:21
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