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Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292524 is a reply to message #292493]

Sat, 19 December 2015 20:42

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Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 19 December 2015 12:50

It's merely interesting that the plate got on it in that mounting with that number, no more. If it were currently listed as stolen, the DMV would get a hit when you tag it.

yes, it is interesting. if the plate is in fact a fake or bogus though then I doubt it would come up stolen even if that was true. and even if it was, with the insurance requirements and such, I think that if it were to have been stolen at some point then the man or woman who had that loss would have probably been compensated for that loss.

Im not overly concerned about that but the plate itself looks quite fragile. as if it were to be touched with the slightest pressure it could at least crack in half (there is a minor surface crack already going horizontal on it) or possibly even crumble to pieces. its just really old plastic and its been in a fairly extreme environment and will be subjected to if not the same then close to the same conditions again.

so what would one do if that were the case? thats the big question for me. Ive been considering different ways I might could prevent that and preserve it without actually disturbing it. havnt had any great ideas yet though. Im sure theres a way to get a replacement somehow but that might require direct contact with the GMC CEO on a man to man level.

yeah heres a few more photos but just sorta more of the same for now. Ive got lots still in the camera to sort through when I get a chance.

upon reviewing and enhancing the photos I shot of the two frame numbers on this coach again in an effort to try and determine what the last number of the cancelled one actually is, I think was a five. this is very interesting because of the following:

bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25

The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73

so, if this last number is a five then it is the same number that bryant374 has listed for another coach.
and it really appears that it is a five here so that could explain why this frame number was cancelled out. check this out:

all these photos have been rotated 180deg then converted with a negative function, then gamma and contrast adjustments were made.

look just below the last number, it seems there was another number just below it that was X'd out also?

and as best I can tell, both the last number and the apparently at least partial one below were a five.

also, I dont think there is any question that this coach was being assembled during the actual shut down. the date markings on the bath wall and floor, this cancelled out number, and the side plate all lead to this.

it would be interesting to learn more of how that shut down actually came and went about. did possibly they think it was the end of all production of these GMC's when news about it first came down from upper management to the men on the floor?

did the work in progress at that time get halted and moved around and scattered about causing more confusion for when it was finally resumed? is it possible that the early style plastic V.I.N. plates were already made up for the later years also before they made the change to metal ones? and was that a federal mandate that required this change and if so when exactly did this requirement start? also, was a special pop rivet also a part of the mandate?

I now think that the frame number was originally mis stamped to the same number as another one and had to be X'd out because of that. also possible that the V.I.N. plate was/is OEM but was maybe not supposed to be used however during the probably chaotic time of the shutdown it made it onto this coach and out of the factory this way.

anyone else who cares to comment about it, Im all ears.

thanks

edit: almost forgot. thanks for addressing USAussie's quest in such a fine manor Johnny.

oh, and another question.. if one were to take the frame number that is not cancelled out and make a V.I.N. number that follows the common consensus on the V.I.N. number break down, what might that be? TZE163100324?

thanks again

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