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Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292081 is a reply to message #292030] Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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1gmcmh,

I will try to address your questions, I have underlined and used bold print to differentiate them from the original.


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hi everyone,

would have posted a reply sooner but I was banned. when I asked what specific forum rule or "guideline" I had violated, I got no answer. seems it was on a whim due to some confusion on the email list so I think it was fixed so that my forum posts do not goto the email list now.

hopefully that will be that and we can continue here.

I have plenty more photos and info on the subject to share but first, I would like to respond to:



bryant374 wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 15:22
Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:

Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used in 1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.

First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number as well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).

The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the service parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are fortunate enough to have the original build sheet.

Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we eventually gave up. We did determine the following:
1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as S5xxxx all others S0xxxx)

1973 or 1974?
The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is the frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my album for a picture).

VIN tags on the firewall:
1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding the faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.

Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do that....... unless to deceive.

What year? My guess is, a very late 1973
My reason, just because ;^)
Bill




thanks for those details, very interesting. however I must very respectfully ask, what proof you have that this TZE number is "invalid"?

I no doubt have proof that it is an odd number but you have made abold claim here, you may even be correct (where were you when I posted questions before aquiring it? Wink and as of now, the lawful title holder of this coach I feel I must point out that without proof of claim, it is only a mans assumption/belief and not a verifiable fact at all. just sayin'
[b]

1- Sorry I missed your previous post before acquiring your coach, I do not view the net as frequently as I did in earlier years. FYI, I have been a GMCMH owner for 30 years and have written a few articles on GMCMH history. I hope you will accept that as possibly knowing a few details about GMCs.

2-The "bold claim" I made about your invalid TZE166V902114 is quite easy to explain, in fact you are the one that provided the proof. The side tag EMBOSSED with the number 902114 is a genuine GMCMH ORDER NUMBER and was never used as a valid TZE# (yes, I used the word "never". The TZE numbers started each model year at, "V100000" & continued in numerical sequence to the last coach produced that model year, then reset to V100000 for the start of the next year.
3- The TZE tag on the front of the firewall is blatantly bogus as follows:
a- The tag identifies your coach as (166) a 26' coach 1976 model year. With all of the photos YOU show, I do not see a single feature that indicates a 1976, I pointed out a number of them in my previous post.
b- The GVW indicated on the TZE tag was proper for later 1973 & 1974s. The GVW was increased twice for later years.
c- All the information on the tag Federally requires it be embossed.
d- Also required are the special rivets, Phillips screws are incorrect.
e- Size/shape of your tag was used for 1973 & 74 only, later GMCs used a different shape/size.




heres more on the numbers and dates:

these have been enhanced to make the numbers easier to read.
http://i.imgur.com/cxKJowJ.jpg

this one has also been flipped upsidedown. obviously, they were not trying to "hide" anything, else it would have been ground off instead of canceled out.
http://i.imgur.com/hPXE5y6.jpg


It certainly is nice to have so many numbers to work with, unfortunately none of them match, that does matter you know :^(



I have assumed the T4Vxxxx number is probably an original, not sure of the last #, appears to me as T4V100324?
The other # appears to be T3V103036
Interesting as we have a pretty early 1974 (324)vs a very late 1973 (3036).



another shot of the V.I.N. plate. also obvious it has been there a long time, screw heads are same type as found all over and the plastic is warped from heat.
http://i.imgur.com/qDDLUtK.jpg

see the seventh post (by emerystora)in this thread http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=4679#msg_263407 for one confirmation that this type of plate was/is O.E.M.

Sorry Emery, this tag is bogus for the reasons stated above. In fact with all the red flags including a restamped frame, I have never before seen such a collection of misinformation on one coach.



I stand by my original comment, "why all the bogus numbers except to deceive"
Should you have further questions I would be happy to try and answer them.
Bill


here is a shot of the back of the bath:
http://i.imgur.com/o2i63RA.jpg

the dash was spray painted black at some point but underneath that, it is army green. it appears to have been installed from the factory before the windshields were becasue there are some screws holding it in that can not be removed without removing the windshields. they need to be replaced aswell so the plan now is to wait until Im ready to paint it, remove them, paint it, then replace the windshields & gaskets then the dash.

Bill Bryant
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