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Re: [GMCnet] Dip stick calibration question [message #271458 is a reply to message #271405] Sun, 08 February 2015 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Jerry,

I hear the concern that you (me and I think others) have on this subject. I too need to trust the oil level the dip stick shows in the oil pan.
What I see from picture #10810 shows the crank counterweight/rod caps at about the 3.5" mark, which I think should equal be the FULL (4 quarts) mark on the dip stick.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-oil-pan-capacity/p10810.html
Quart #5 which is mostly picked up by the oil filter, and quart #6 is the one that gets trapped in the forward pan. Any extra oil over the add (.5 qt. more or less) shouldn't bring the oil level up to where the rod caps and counterweights would whip the oil, but if it did, that would occur only be for the short time that it takes to pump the 1 quart throughout the engine.

Since 3 qts. equals ADD mark. Drain the pan sump (front sump also if you can), pour 3 qts. of oil through the left valve cover crank case breather hole, not the oil filler tube. The oil filler can traps an unknown quart in the front pan, where from the breather it would be more certain to just drain into the rear oil sump, and after a draining time, this would give a more trusting ADD level. Don't pour too fast, or oil can drain to the front of the head also.

Calibrate the dip stick to read ADD, then pour quart #4 the same way to get the FULL level. Now pour the rest of the oil through the oil filler tube, run engine and check to add needed oil. NOTE, the 6 qts. doesn't take into account for the lines to and the radiator oil cooler or what you have.
I've always tried to have about ½ qt. over full, so to have as much oil volume to cool and lube the lower engine.


JMT





glwgmc wrote on Sun, 08 February 2015 10:34
I don't want to be a worry wart, but I just don't feel comfortable relying on what we call "Conventional wisdom" when it comes to something as critical as the oil level in our heavily taxed engines. I am looking for a definitive way to measure the actual oil level in the pan.

The conventional wisdom of adding 5 quarts at a change and then calibrating the dip stick to that level is based on a bone stock system. Dial ahead 40 years and many coaches now have different cooler lines, aluminum radiators, external oil coolers, etc., all of which add to the volume of the system upon which that conventional wisdom is based. With only 3 quarts in the sump of a stock system full, a relatively small change in system volume, say one quart, has us driving down the road with just 2 quarts in the sump at what that calibration would call the full mark and at the add mark there is only one quart of oil in the sump! Too little for my sense of well being for sure.

Think a one quart change is system volume is a lot? A Derale 15550 fan assisted external engine oil cooler, for example, holds 19.6 oz or nearly 2/3 of a quart all by itself. I don't know how much additional oil it takes to fill the engine oil cooler in an aluminum radiator over a stock one but it certainly looks like it would be significant in the scheme of things. A larger oil filter that some are using might well take several ounces more than the stock filter. Start adding all these seemingly little things together and we might well be running seven quart systems rather than six quart systems.

We can certainly guess and adjust accordingly but we know if we are off by having too much oil in the system the excess will be burned off quickly and if too little we are at risk of damaging bearings and not pulling heat out of the engine properly. I would prefer to know exactly where full really is on any given combination of engine, radiator, lines, coolers, etc.

Any one have a thought on how to do this?

Jerry
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