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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #243733 is a reply to message #243716]

Sun, 16 March 2014 09:09

Matt Colie

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Mr ERFisher wrote on Sun, 16 March 2014 07:34

"the rear suspension seminar at Montgomery."
Congrats on jumping into this pond, Ken

wonder if you are going to cover
*supplemental braking systems*
*-- NO mod to the OEM system is legal*-1
-- MS changes
-- # of wheels controlled
-- actuators, -- vacuum, hydraulic, spring loaded,
-- larger pads
-- after market mechanical systems
-- disk brakes
--

but to hold the gmc, till we can block the wheels:

- the OEM system will not hold a GMC on a hill -2

- we all use supplemental systems to get us out of the seat

- 99.9 % of GMC's use the "park pin" in the tranny
for our emergency brake (TINY PIN :>)

- KISS rod to hold the peddle

- hydraulic brake lock
http://gmcmotorhome.info/BRKLOCK.html

- vacuum backup pump

but

when:
- the engine is dead
- you are towing
- you are stuck on a hill
- you are trying to pull off the steering wheel to hold her
- you cannot get out of the seat
-
we all need a supplemental brake system....

i wish you the best of luck on this topic
be well
erf

--
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today ---
give him a URL and -------

Gene,

We have a difference of opinion about the bolded text.

1 - This statement is in accurate as it would imply that any changes to the brake system would be a violation of some law any where. That simply is not true. With very few exceptions, all relating to emission controls. there are no federal restrictions as to what an owner may do to a vehicle. There are, however, a great number of state restrictions that may cover anything. But they (like California fuel handling) are limited to the state's jurisdiction.

2 - Until was damaged (and it will be repaired), my parking brake did hold the coach on any hill the would climb. (Yes, there was also a limit there.) This was before the floating back plate (that was when it was damaged.) Yes, the drums don't ever need adjusting if the factory adjusters are properly maintained. In the 35+K miles, I have only had to adjust the rear brakes as a direct result of backing them off to service the bearings. Then, when the brakes are properly readjusted, I have found that the parking brake cable needed a tweak.

One has to remember that these are not modern hardware.
Well 5H1T Miss Agnes, the backing plates don't even have holes to inspect the break shoe thickness (required on all builds since 1980 iirc). So, periodic removal of the non-floating drum (you have to open the bearing) is required anyway.

Matt

Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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		[GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Mr ERFisher on Sun, 16 March 2014 06:34
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Matt Colie on Sun, 16 March 2014 09:09
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Mr ERFisher on Sun, 16 March 2014 09:28
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Sun, 16 March 2014 16:05
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: jhbridges on Sun, 16 March 2014 19:12
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Sun, 16 March 2014 19:35
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Sun, 16 March 2014 20:16
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: corleyw on Mon, 17 March 2014 08:44
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: A Hamilto on Mon, 17 March 2014 09:50
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Mon, 17 March 2014 10:18
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Keith V on Mon, 17 March 2014 12:50
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Mon, 17 March 2014 12:58
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Mon, 17 March 2014 13:32
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Mon, 17 March 2014 13:40
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Mon, 17 March 2014 15:29
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Mr ERFisher on Mon, 17 March 2014 13:46
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: k2gkk on Mon, 17 March 2014 14:14
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: k2gkk on Mon, 17 March 2014 14:19
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Mon, 17 March 2014 14:56
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Mon, 17 March 2014 21:21
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Tue, 18 March 2014 09:44
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: A Hamilto on Tue, 18 March 2014 10:13
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Tue, 18 March 2014 19:21
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Mr ERFisher on Wed, 19 March 2014 02:43
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Mon, 17 March 2014 21:13
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: emerystora on Thu, 20 March 2014 16:51
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Keith V on Thu, 20 March 2014 17:55
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Mr ERFisher on Thu, 20 March 2014 17:59
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Thu, 20 March 2014 18:28
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Thu, 20 March 2014 23:04
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Mon, 17 March 2014 16:14
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: kelvin on Mon, 17 March 2014 16:51
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Keith V on Mon, 17 March 2014 17:12
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Tue, 18 March 2014 09:23
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Keith V on Wed, 19 March 2014 09:50
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Owen on Wed, 19 March 2014 10:33
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: emerystora on Wed, 19 March 2014 11:07
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: James Hupy on Wed, 19 March 2014 11:21
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: USAussie on Wed, 19 March 2014 18:18
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Bounds on Thu, 20 March 2014 14:37
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Thu, 20 March 2014 19:43
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Bounds on Fri, 21 March 2014 07:47
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Fri, 21 March 2014 10:13
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: k2gkk on Fri, 21 March 2014 10:25
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Keith V on Fri, 21 March 2014 17:02
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Jim Galbavy on Fri, 21 March 2014 19:54
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: jhb1 on Fri, 21 March 2014 20:51
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Fri, 21 March 2014 22:50
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Matt Colie on Fri, 21 March 2014 20:58
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Fri, 21 March 2014 22:54
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Fri, 21 March 2014 23:17
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: corleyw on Sat, 22 March 2014 08:39
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Sat, 22 March 2014 09:13
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Sat, 22 March 2014 09:42
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: corleyw on Sat, 22 March 2014 09:58
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Sat, 22 March 2014 13:02
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: WildBill on Sat, 22 March 2014 17:12
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Sun, 23 March 2014 14:36
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: WildBill on Sun, 23 March 2014 17:53
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Mon, 24 March 2014 11:08
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: corleyw on Mon, 24 March 2014 11:29
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: kelvin on Mon, 24 March 2014 11:36
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Olly Schmidt on Mon, 24 March 2014 11:39
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: tphipps on Mon, 24 March 2014 11:55
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: kelvin on Mon, 24 March 2014 12:02
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: USAussie on Mon, 24 March 2014 17:55
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Tue, 25 March 2014 18:28
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mickeysss on Tue, 25 March 2014 19:42
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: ljdavick on Tue, 25 March 2014 20:35
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mickeysss on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:14
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mickeysss on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:15
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: corleyw on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:53
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Matt Colie on Wed, 26 March 2014 18:57
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Wed, 26 March 2014 19:42
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Wed, 26 March 2014 21:35
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		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Tue, 25 March 2014 22:12
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Mon, 24 March 2014 19:10
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Mon, 24 March 2014 13:06
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Dave Mumert on Mon, 24 March 2014 12:19
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Mon, 24 March 2014 13:03
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: kelvin on Mon, 24 March 2014 13:27
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Dave Mumert on Mon, 24 March 2014 13:31
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Mon, 24 March 2014 19:16
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: corleyw on Mon, 24 March 2014 19:39
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: emerystora on Mon, 24 March 2014 13:20
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: George Beckman on Sat, 22 March 2014 19:39
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: emerystora on Sat, 22 March 2014 20:46
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Sat, 22 March 2014 22:29
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: cbwoodsr on Mon, 07 April 2014 14:57
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Mr ERFisher on Sun, 23 March 2014 07:00
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Sun, 23 March 2014 10:23
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		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Ken Henderson on Tue, 25 March 2014 22:21
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Fri, 21 March 2014 22:46
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		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: GMC_LES on Sat, 22 March 2014 09:55
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		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: WildBill on Mon, 24 March 2014 22:40
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		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: mikethebike on Mon, 07 April 2014 13:19
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: WildBill on Mon, 24 March 2014 23:18
		Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH By: Bob de Kruyff on Mon, 24 March 2014 23:23
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