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Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) [message #190239 is a reply to message #190238]

Wed, 14 November 2012 00:07

Robin Hood

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Oh wait I think I get it... It's not that the board gets its signal from
the VR, it's that a bad VR can drag down the signal the board gets from the
alternator?

That still leaves me with needing to know whether the two AC legs on the VR
get connected to each other electrically.

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, Robin Hood wrote:

> Seen it. Doesn't answer my question though. Duane talked about wires being
> "together" and "in common" on a single terminal, but I see three blades for
> the spade connectors for three wires.
>
> If he just wanted the two AC wires identified and kept close to each other
> he should have worded it differently. Words mean things, and as written,
> his instructions don't match reality (two wires on one terminal) or make
> sense (connect two opposite legs of AC together???)
>
> It also doesn't explain why the control board is suddenly satisfied: the
> flywheel alternator feeds the VR which tells the control board that the
> engine is running. How does taking that signal away satisfy the control
> board?
>
> I'm tired and frustrated and out of my depth and I'm either faced with
> sloppy language or I'm committing a seeeeerious reading comprehension fail.
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, Dave Mumert wrote:
>
>> Hi Robin
>>
>> I thought I would beat Gene to the punch ;-)
>> Check on his site
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/generator.html#ALTERNATOR
>>
>> That appears to leave the alternator connected between pins 8 and 11
>>
>> The wiring.jpg file on the DVD show the alternator connected between 8
>> and 5
>> ( 5 and 11 are connected by the fuse )
>>
>> Dave Mumert
>>
>> > That leaves the AC is-engine-running sensor as a likely culprit. There
>> are
>> > 3 terminated wires attaching to blades on the voltage regulator. One is
>> > labeled B+ (I assume it's battery positive) and the other two are
>> labeled
>> AC. I
>> > assume these are the two AC legs. Mr Simmons advice here is a bit
>> > ambiguous... He advised disconnecting the voltage regulator... But I'm
>> > unclear as to what to do with the wires. Am I supposed to connect the
>> two
>> > AC wires I just removed from the regulator TOGETHER as in electrically?
>> How
>> > is that safe if they're 2 different AC legs? And in what way does doing
>> any of
>> > this make the control board happy?
>> >
>> > I've read Simmons guide and studied the schematics and watched the DVD,
>> > but if anyone has help or advice all ears.
>> >
>> > Robin
>> >
>> >
>>
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		[GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jimk on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:48
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Sun, 21 October 2012 15:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jimk on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jimk on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:58
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Sun, 21 October 2012 17:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: emerystora on Sun, 21 October 2012 17:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Thu, 28 November 2013 15:42
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Otterwan on Thu, 28 November 2013 15:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 28 November 2013 16:02
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Thu, 28 November 2013 16:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Thu, 28 November 2013 19:08
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: kerry pinkerton on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:58
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Sun, 21 October 2012 20:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 20:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Sun, 21 October 2012 22:29
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 22 October 2012 07:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Mr ERFisher on Mon, 22 October 2012 09:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Mon, 22 October 2012 11:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:22
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:51
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 22 October 2012 11:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 22 October 2012 12:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 22 October 2012 20:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 23 October 2012 17:05
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Tue, 23 October 2012 17:20
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: tphipps on Tue, 23 October 2012 18:22
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 24 October 2012 20:44
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: roy1 on Wed, 24 October 2012 21:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Wed, 24 October 2012 21:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Thu, 25 October 2012 01:11
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 07:26
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:05
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:49
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:55
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: roy1 on Thu, 25 October 2012 10:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 25 October 2012 10:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:49
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 25 October 2012 17:26
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 18:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Thu, 25 October 2012 19:21
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 19:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 19:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 20:32
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: hal kading on Thu, 25 October 2012 21:59
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Fri, 26 October 2012 06:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 26 October 2012 06:55
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Fri, 26 October 2012 07:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Fri, 26 October 2012 08:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: stick miller on Fri, 26 October 2012 10:18
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 26 October 2012 10:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Fri, 26 October 2012 13:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 26 October 2012 17:51
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Sat, 27 October 2012 16:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 22 October 2012 08:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 28 October 2012 13:50
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Sun, 28 October 2012 15:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 01 November 2012 20:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Fri, 02 November 2012 06:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 02 November 2012 16:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:08
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:28
		[GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:46
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Bruce Hart on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:49
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 12 November 2012 13:01
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: C Boyd on Mon, 12 November 2012 14:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:13
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:50
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:32
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:27
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:48
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:17
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 12 November 2012 19:04
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 19:56
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 20:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 21:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Mon, 12 November 2012 21:58
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Wed, 14 November 2012 00:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Tue, 13 November 2012 03:49
		[GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 13 November 2012 22:05
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Dave Mumert on Tue, 13 November 2012 22:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 13 November 2012 23:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 00:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 02:26
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 03:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: James Hupy on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:57
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Wed, 14 November 2012 17:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 18:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 20:06
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Wed, 14 November 2012 21:04
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Thu, 15 November 2012 00:02
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Thu, 15 November 2012 04:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 15 November 2012 19:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:20
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Thu, 15 November 2012 22:42
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Fri, 16 November 2012 02:08
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 16 November 2012 03:14
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 20:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Fri, 16 November 2012 20:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: kerry pinkerton on Fri, 16 November 2012 20:48
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:02
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:33
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:40
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Sat, 17 November 2012 08:18
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Wed, 21 November 2012 02:28
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 21 November 2012 06:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: powerjon on Wed, 21 November 2012 08:06
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 21 November 2012 09:23
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		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 21 November 2012 15:24
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Wed, 21 November 2012 17:42
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 21 November 2012 15:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 21 November 2012 17:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Thu, 22 November 2012 02:32
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Thu, 22 November 2012 07:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Thu, 22 November 2012 08:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 22 November 2012 08:03
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: philipswanson on Mon, 24 December 2012 09:53
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		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 26 November 2012 20:40
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		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: James Hupy on Wed, 05 December 2012 10:47
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		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Wed, 05 December 2012 15:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Wed, 05 December 2012 15:46
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		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Fri, 07 December 2012 11:51
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		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Gerald Wheeler on Tue, 04 December 2012 20:09
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