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[GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97471] Fri, 27 August 2010 10:09 Go to next message
emerystora is currently offline  emerystora   United States
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I was just looking up parts numbers in the GMC 78Z parts book and I had to look up under "generators" in the index instead of "alternators".

This reminded me to look up an old post that I made to the GMCnet way back in 2004.

For you newbies I will repost it:


> Bruce used the term "alternator/generator" probably because of a message I had sent to him with some info on rebuilding. I think that I said that even though we have called them alternators for years, they are often now called generators.
>
> In accordance with the government-mandated changes in automotive nomenclature that took place during the 1996 model year, we have been instructed to call these electrical components "generators". The name change more accurately describes what an alternator - ooops - a generator does.
>
> It is customary to identify a voltage source by the type of voltage that it provides - AC or DC - and not by the way the output voltage is developed. A true alternator produces AC voltage at its output. The frequency of that output is dependent on the speed of rotation of an electrically charged coil inside a stationary coil.
>
> That kind of sounds like an alternator doesn't it? So what is the problem? What we get from the output of what we used to call an alternator is DC voltage, not AC. The word alternator doesn't fit. How could we have been so wrong all those years? We should have been calling it a generator all along. We have all erred and caused great confusion within the industry for many years. We MUST change, and YES, we will. if you want to make a positive (and correct) identification of the electrical component in question, call it a generator!
>
> Otherwise the Government Generator (Alternator?) Police will be calling on you.
> :) :)

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97499 is a reply to message #97471] Fri, 27 August 2010 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Somewhere during my research on CS-series "devices", I saw a comment that GM
nominated those as "generators" instead of "alternators". Maybe that was
due to the g'ment too.

Ken H.


On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:

> I was just looking up parts numbers in the GMC 78Z parts book and I had to
> look up under "generators" in the index instead of "alternators"...
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Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97511 is a reply to message #97499] Fri, 27 August 2010 15:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob de Kruyff   United States
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""Somewhere during my research on CS-series "devices", I saw a comment that GM
nominated those as "generators" instead of "alternators". Maybe that was
due to the g'ment too.

Ken H.
""

When Chrysler first introduced "alternators" in passenger cars the term became a good differentiator from the old fashioned generators that the competition still used. I suspect the marketing folks loved the term. But let's face it, they generate electricity and the term reflects more the how than the what. GM has used the term generator for a long time now.


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97535 is a reply to message #97471] Fri, 27 August 2010 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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In our case it's GM world and it's a DELCOTRON.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97563 is a reply to message #97535] Fri, 27 August 2010 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kosier is currently offline  Kosier   United States
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Actually, Autolite started out with the AC generator
and came up with the term "alternator". Since they
probably copyrighted the name, GM would have had
to pay to use the name. Corporate policy would not
have allowed that to happen. At the time, all their
literature referred to them as AC generators.

Gary Kosier

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> In our case it's GM world and it's a DELCOTRON.
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Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97594 is a reply to message #97471] Sat, 28 August 2010 01:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Emery, was that a positive comment or a negative one? Curious minds want to
know.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 Royale 403

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:

> I was just looking up parts numbers in the GMC 78Z parts book and I had to
> look up under "generators" in the index instead of "alternators".
>
> This reminded me to look up an old post that I made to the GMCnet way back
> in 2004.
>
> For you newbies I will repost it:
>
>
> > Bruce used the term "alternator/generator" probably because of a message
> I had sent to him with some info on rebuilding. I think that I said that
> even though we have called them alternators for years, they are often now
> called generators.
> >
> > In accordance with the government-mandated changes in automotive
> nomenclature that took place during the 1996 model year, we have been
> instructed to call these electrical components "generators". The name
> change more accurately describes what an alternator - ooops - a generator
> does.
> >
> > It is customary to identify a voltage source by the type of voltage that
> it provides - AC or DC - and not by the way the output voltage is developed.
> A true alternator produces AC voltage at its output. The frequency of that
> output is dependent on the speed of rotation of an electrically charged coil
> inside a stationary coil.
> >
> > That kind of sounds like an alternator doesn't it? So what is the
> problem? What we get from the output of what we used to call an alternator
> is DC voltage, not AC. The word alternator doesn't fit. How could we have
> been so wrong all those years? We should have been calling it a generator
> all along. We have all erred and caused great confusion within the industry
> for many years. We MUST change, and YES, we will. if you want to make a
> positive (and correct) identification of the electrical component in
> question, call it a generator!
> >
> > Otherwise the Government Generator (Alternator?) Police will be calling
> on you.
> > :) :)
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97609 is a reply to message #97594] Sat, 28 August 2010 07:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
emerystora is currently offline  emerystora   United States
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On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:10 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:

> Emery, was that a positive comment or a negative one? Curious minds
> want to
> know.
> Jim Hupy
>

Jim -- it was positively negative.

Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97661 is a reply to message #97609] Sat, 28 August 2010 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Riiight, now I feel left out.
Jim

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:

>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:10 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Emery, was that a positive comment or a negative one? Curious minds
> > want to
> > know.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
>
> Jim -- it was positively negative.
>
> Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] Alternators / Generators [message #97664 is a reply to message #97661] Sat, 28 August 2010 18:21 Go to previous message
emerystora is currently offline  emerystora   United States
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On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:56 PM, James Hupy wrote:

> Riiight, now I feel left out.
> Jim
>
>
CRS has set in! What were we talking about?

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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