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| [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96508] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 12:10  |
Ray Erspamer
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Geez O Ca-rumba !
What got me all cranked up on the engine temperature stuff along with the fan
clutch and thermostat is that AT THE SAME DANG TIME I put in my new fan clutch
and my temp gauge slightly rose, I found fluid all over the underside of the
coach and I thought I started to run so hot that I was over-flowing the
transmission fluid.
After climbing under the coach last night to look at something else, I found out
that it wasn't from the transmission at all, I must have blown the seal in my
power steering pump.
So now, I'm going to put in an accurate temp gauge, replace the PS pump and
start this evaluating of engine temp stuff all over again !
Can some one just shoot me !!!
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96514 is a reply to message #96508] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 12:27  |
James Hupy
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That's what you get for messin around with it, trying to outsmart Murphy
again. He isn't very intelligent, but he's got STREET SMARTS and is devious
as well. Somewhere, sometime when you least expect it, Smile, you're on
candid camera. The previous statement was intended for the sole purpose of
entertainment. No technical advise contained and no references to anyone
living or dead was intended. Similar crap has happened to me enough times to
not want to point fingers at anyone's misfortune, but Lord help us if we
lose our sense of humor.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Geez O Ca-rumba !
>
> What got me all cranked up on the engine temperature stuff along with the
> fan
> clutch and thermostat is that AT THE SAME DANG TIME I put in my new fan
> clutch
> and my temp gauge slightly rose, I found fluid all over the underside of
> the
> coach and I thought I started to run so hot that I was over-flowing the
> transmission fluid.
>
> After climbing under the coach last night to look at something else, I
> found out
> that it wasn't from the transmission at all, I must have blown the seal in
> my
> power steering pump.
>
> So now, I'm going to put in an accurate temp gauge, replace the PS pump and
> start this evaluating of engine temp stuff all over again !
>
> Can some one just shoot me !!!
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96517 is a reply to message #96514] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 12:39 |
Ray Erspamer
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I actually don't mind these types of issues, I figure that I will eventually get
to the point where EVERY SINGLE ITEM on my coach will have been replaced and
then it be more reliable than ever.
Lots to do this weekend, new thermostat, new power steering pump, new
Springfield Ignition system...............ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I can smell the
grease and anti-freeze already !!!
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 12:27:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
That's what you get for messin around with it, trying to outsmart Murphy
again. He isn't very intelligent, but he's got STREET SMARTS and is devious
as well. Somewhere, sometime when you least expect it, Smile, you're on
candid camera. The previous statement was intended for the sole purpose of
entertainment. No technical advise contained and no references to anyone
living or dead was intended. Similar crap has happened to me enough times to
not want to point fingers at anyone's misfortune, but Lord help us if we
lose our sense of humor.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Geez O Ca-rumba !
>
> What got me all cranked up on the engine temperature stuff along with the
> fan
> clutch and thermostat is that AT THE SAME DANG TIME I put in my new fan
> clutch
> and my temp gauge slightly rose, I found fluid all over the underside of
> the
> coach and I thought I started to run so hot that I was over-flowing the
> transmission fluid.
>
> After climbing under the coach last night to look at something else, I
> found out
> that it wasn't from the transmission at all, I must have blown the seal in
> my
> power steering pump.
>
> So now, I'm going to put in an accurate temp gauge, replace the PS pump and
> start this evaluating of engine temp stuff all over again !
>
> Can some one just shoot me !!!
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96518 is a reply to message #96517] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 12:42 |
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ljdavick
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I always like to stock up on BandAids from Costco for just that kind of fun!
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:39:53 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
I actually don't mind these types of issues, I figure that I will eventually get
to the point where EVERY SINGLE ITEM on my coach will have been replaced and
then it be more reliable than ever.
Lots to do this weekend, new thermostat, new power steering pump, new
Springfield Ignition system...............ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I can smell the
grease and anti-freeze already !!!
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96519 is a reply to message #96518] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 12:49 |
Dennis S
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I look forward to Monday when Ray reports on what "might as wells" he did -- you know that PS pump hose looks a little ragged, clean the filter to the wipers, maybe I should get the electric wiper kit, upper radiator hose had been rubbing on fan belt, and on and on....
Dennis
Dennis Sexton
73 PD 230
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, Aug 20, 2010 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
I always like to stock up on BandAids from Costco for just that kind of fun!
Larry Davick
remont, California
he Mystery Machine
76 (ish) Palm Beach
----- Original Message -----
rom: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
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ent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:39:53 AM
ubject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
I actually don't mind these types of issues, I figure that I will eventually get
to the point where EVERY SINGLE ITEM on my coach will have been replaced and
hen it be more reliable than ever.
Lots to do this weekend, new thermostat, new power steering pump, new
pringfield Ignition system...............ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I can smell the
rease and anti-freeze already !!!
Ray
ay & Lisa Erspamer
8 Royale Center Kitchen
ZE368V101144
auwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
mail: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
14-745-3188
eb Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
rg/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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73 Painted Desert 230
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96523 is a reply to message #96508] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 13:05 |
g.winger
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Ray, was going to offer to come help till I noticed you live in the same stae as larry w. I figured there was FOUR places named wasawasu like memominamy,,,well however you say ether,,,,,good luck though,,,,PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96527 is a reply to message #96519] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 13:18 |
Ray Erspamer
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You got it Dennis, it just never stops.......add in a tad of A.D.D. and there
could be many more ! LOL
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: "dennisfsexton@aol.com" <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 12:49:14 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
I look forward to Monday when Ray reports on what "might as wells" he did -- you
know that PS pump hose looks a little ragged, clean the filter to the wipers,
maybe I should get the electric wiper kit, upper radiator hose had been rubbing
on fan belt, and on and on....
Dennis
Dennis Sexton
73 PD 230
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, Aug 20, 2010 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
I always like to stock up on BandAids from Costco for just that kind of fun!
Larry Davick
remont, California
he Mystery Machine
76 (ish) Palm Beach
----- Original Message -----
rom: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
o: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
ent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:39:53 AM
ubject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
I actually don't mind these types of issues, I figure that I will eventually get
to the point where EVERY SINGLE ITEM on my coach will have been replaced and
hen it be more reliable than ever.
Lots to do this weekend, new thermostat, new power steering pump, new
pringfield Ignition system...............ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I can smell the
rease and anti-freeze already !!!
Ray
ay & Lisa Erspamer
8 Royale Center Kitchen
ZE368V101144
auwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
mail: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
14-745-3188
eb Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
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414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96547 is a reply to message #96508] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 15:01 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Can some one just shoot me !!!""
Don't get discouraged Ray--most of us have experienced your frustration, but usually the next day things don't seem that bad. Besides, it's better now than have it happen on the road somehwere!
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96558 is a reply to message #96517] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 16:16 |
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Fri, 20 August 2010 10:39 |
I actually don't mind these types of issues, I figure that I will eventually get
to the point where EVERY SINGLE ITEM on my coach will have been replaced and
then it be more reliable than ever.
Lots to do this weekend, new thermostat, new power steering pump, new
Springfield Ignition system...............ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I can smell the
grease
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> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
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Check the belts,as now is the time.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96579 is a reply to message #96527] |
Fri, 20 August 2010 18:41 |
roy1
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What gets me Ray are any oil leaks I hate to deal with them. About 1,000 miles after I rebuilt my engine the rear crank seal started leaking a lot. Not wanting to pull the trans to fix it at this time (wife doesn't want me living under the coach on a regular basis) I put it off. At 3,000 miles the damn front seal started leaking and the rear slowed a lot. I stuffed a rag behind the front motor mount so I could use it for a 200 mile run and not get oil all over. I looked underneath when I got back now what I see is the trans pan leaking and not the rear seal. I didn't take the rag out of the front yet.Makes you scratch your head and say what the hell.
Roy
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96629 is a reply to message #96579] |
Sat, 21 August 2010 07:29 |
Steven Ferguson
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Roy,
Don't blame yourself, it's really a crap shoot for even the most
careful assembler as to whether or not those seals are going to leak.
I use a good assy grease on those same seals in case the engine sits
for a long period of time before startup and some will leak, some
wont. However, the front and rear of the engine are the lowest points
and any leaks from above those points, always show up there so check
other gasketed areas. You might get lucky and not have the problem
you think you have.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, roy keen <roynpaula@charter.net> wrote:
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> What gets me Ray are any oil leaks I hate to deal with them. About 1,000 miles after I rebuilt my engine the rear crank seal started leaking a lot. Not wanting to pull the trans to fix it at this time (wife doesn't want me living under the coach on a regular basis) I put it off. At 3,000 miles the damn front seal started leaking and the rear slowed a lot. I stuffed a rag behind the front motor mount so I could use it for a 200 mile run and not get oil all over. I looked underneath when I got back now what I see is the trans pan leaking and not the rear seal. I didn't take the rag out of the front yet.Makes you scratch your head and say what the hell.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96701 is a reply to message #96629] |
Sat, 21 August 2010 15:52 |
roy1
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Steve
I am positive of the rear seal . The front one pretty sure I need to remove the front motor mount assembly to be 100% sure.
I need to wipe down the trans to be sure of it but it doesn't appear to be the seal. I was thinking of getting rid of the trans gasket if that is the culprit and using blue or Grey ultra seal only what do you think. It is the stock metal one(I am aware of the ball peen hammer to un - dent the holes) All in all I will be pretty happy if the rear seal stays dry.
Roy
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96723 is a reply to message #96721] |
Sat, 21 August 2010 18:44 |
roy1
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For sure 6 Quarts I have 2 oil drain plugs and a calibrated dip stick. What do you think a black paper trans gasket or RTV only?
The PCV is new and in good shape Just a little lousy luck. Murphy just decided to come along for the ride.
Roy
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96769 is a reply to message #96746] |
Sun, 22 August 2010 08:49 |
Ray Erspamer
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Thank you Dan !
NOW....this gets even better......I go out and buy a new Power Steering pump,
but before I install it I was doing a few other things and guess what I found
out, it's not leaking, somehow it got over-filled.....probably by some idiot
named Ray. My driveway sits at a steep incline and I probably filled it in
the driveway instead of on the flat.
I tend to go the route of learning things the hard way.
On a good note, I installed my new Springfield Ignition System
yesterday.....took it out for a test drive.....SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET !!!!!!
Also changed the thermostat, PO had a 180 in and I put in the new Robert Shaw
330-195 and changed the coolant while I was at it.
Now installing my Equus Computer Multi Gauge that will give me a Tach, Water
Temp, Oil Pressure, Trans Temp, Battery Volts. I'll have a REAL engine temp
gauge so I can finally figure out whats going on with my fan clutch, etc.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 10:25:12 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump
Can some one just shoot me !!!
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: mailto:78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fan Clutch - Power Steering Pump [message #96860 is a reply to message #96760] |
Sun, 22 August 2010 18:53 |
roy1
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The RTV only is good if you apply at least a quarter inch bead, let
it "skin", then install the pan. Let the RTV vulcanize overnight and
completely torque the bolts the next day.
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Thanks Steve that's the way I figured I needed to do it like you say it won't work if there is any oil present.
Roy
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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