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Wed, 21 July 2010 00:39  |
ejuk8em
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Greetings All. We just bought our first GMC after looking at them for years.
It's a 26' - '73 and yes... it's a big project. I just retired so I do have more
time. I've also redone a '68 Airstream, so I kind of know some of the ropes.
This weekend I am gutting the rear compartment and would like to know how to
pull the windows to re-seal them. I have all of the "inside" skin off down to
the coach frame and have removed the aluminum brackets that were screwed to
the aluminum window frames on the inside. It would seem that I've removed
everything that could be holding the windows in place from the inside. The coach
has lots of water damage below the windows so I'm sure this needs attention. I
was about to just start tapping the window frames with a mallet from the inside
and decided I better ask for advice first!!!
Also, one of the rear glasses is missing on this coach (D. Side... last window
on the rear side). How does one go about acquiring glass???
Take care and thanks in advance for any assistance you could provide!
Lyle
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92768 is a reply to message #92765] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 04:28  |
powerjon
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Lyle,
The window frame should be loose and should push out from the inside.
Use 2 people so you don't loose to the ground. I don't recommend
using a rubber hammer as you could break more glass. Go and work the
window frame carefully from the outside with a strong putty knife
between the body skin and frame and they should come right out. I
would start along the bottom and work up each side. As for
replacement glass you will need to check with one of the major GMC
service providers (the Jim's for example) for a replacement glass
section as they are not available from local glass suppliers.
Sometimes net member have windows available to sell. It would help if
you had your location in your signature line so we could direct you to
the closest supplier. As for sealing the windows I would suggest
using the butyl rubber sealing tape ( not the grey caulking type tape)
which can be found and many RV part houses or you can consider the
newer replacement windows.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
TZE Zone Restorations
77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On Jul 21, 2010, at 1:39 AM, Lyle A. Rigdon wrote:
> Greetings All. We just bought our first GMC after looking at them
> for years.
> It's a 26' - '73 and yes... it's a big project. I just retired so I
> do have more
> time. I've also redone a '68 Airstream, so I kind of know some of
> the ropes.
> This weekend I am gutting the rear compartment and would like to
> know how to
> pull the windows to re-seal them. I have all of the "inside" skin
> off down to
> the coach frame and have removed the aluminum brackets that were
> screwed to
> the aluminum window frames on the inside. It would seem that I've
> removed
> everything that could be holding the windows in place from the
> inside. The coach
> has lots of water damage below the windows so I'm sure this needs
> attention. I
> was about to just start tapping the window frames with a mallet from
> the inside
> and decided I better ask for advice first!!!
>
> Also, one of the rear glasses is missing on this coach (D. Side...
> last window
> on the rear side). How does one go about acquiring glass???
>
> Take care and thanks in advance for any assistance you could provide!
> Lyle
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75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92774 is a reply to message #92765] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 06:30 |
Steven Ferguson
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Lyle,
Once you figure out how those window are removed, there are better,
more modern looking replacements available from one of our vendors.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Lyle A. Rigdon <ejuk8em@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings All. We just bought our first GMC after looking at them for years.
> It's a 26' - '73 and yes... it's a big project. I just retired so I do have more
> time. I've also redone a '68 Airstream, so I kind of know some of the ropes.
> This weekend I am gutting the rear compartment and would like to know how to
> pull the windows to re-seal them. I have all of the "inside" skin off down to
> the coach frame and have removed the aluminum brackets that were screwed to
> the aluminum window frames on the inside. It would seem that I've removed
> everything that could be holding the windows in place from the inside. The coach
> has lots of water damage below the windows so I'm sure this needs attention. I
> was about to just start tapping the window frames with a mallet from the inside
> and decided I better ask for advice first!!!
>
> Also, one of the rear glasses is missing on this coach (D. Side... last window
> on the rear side). How does one go about acquiring glass???
>
> Take care and thanks in advance for any assistance you could provide!
> Lyle
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92781 is a reply to message #92774] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 07:42 |
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Michael Bozart, gemrecs@yahoo.com (713) 373-7775. GMCrecs has several GMC part coaches, that Mike disassembles for needed parts. This would be a great starting place for replacement OEM style windows. He ships from Houston, TX.
http://www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements/index.html has two different versions of new replacement windows for sale. Located in South Carolina, and ships everywhere.
JmK and Jim Bounds also have the windows. I am sure that several members of this august group have a spare window of two around the house. I have an extra door window.
Installing the new windows is the reverse of removing the old. Apply new butyl rubber sealing tape, and start at the top of the window frame, work down both sides, setting the mounting screws very lightly, tighten the screws when all have been installed. It helps to have an additional set of hands, so that one person can steady the window and the other person can use the screwdriver. I used a clamp on plate glass grip that I purchased from HF to provide an additional grip spot. Clean the fingerprints, palm prints, etc from the new window and enjoy.
Tom Phipps,
with 3 of the new windows.
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92802 is a reply to message #92765] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 11:31 |
KB
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We used a block of wood and a rubber mallet to tap them out.
Just be careful you don't whack the glass.
For sure have a helper outside to keep it from falling.
On the '73, there are aluminum splines holding the four frame
pieces together. They're held in with some really hard screws.
We found that if you don't disassemble it and apply some good
quality goop liberally to those splines, the windows will still leak, a lot.
Many here recommend a good quality marine sealant like the 5200 you
can get at West Marine.
To get the spline screws out, we used a bit brace and some penetrating oil
(automatic tranny fluid and acetone in equal parts is good and cheap).
Lay the window face down on a padded surface like a blanket.
With the bit brace, you can really lean your weight into the screws
to keep the bit from slipping. Sometimes screwing it in slightly will
break it loose when going the other way doesn't work.
If you strip the screw heads, they're *really* difficult to remove.
They're extremely hard, so trying to drill them out usually mean you slip and
put a hole in the softer aluminum instead. You might consider replacing the screws
with stainless when putting it back together. We also painted the frames while
it was apart.
We used 5/64" (or 2mm) glass setting tape to replace the rubber on the
fixed window sections. You can get this from auto glass suppliers or online.
A little soapy water helps when installing these.
The fuzzy channel is available from many of the gmc suppliers, or here:
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/Airstream_Motorhome_Window_Channel_p/vts-278.htm
You should also replace the little fuzzy strips that ride between the pieces of glass
since you can't get at it unless the window is apart and it's usually rotted.
That's available at almost any hardware store.
Once it's back together, cut slots in the fuzzy channel to allow water to drain at
each of the window drainage slots. On some of the windows, the outside slot doesn't
line up with the inside slot, so check carefully before cutting.
A paper punch to cut the ends of the rubber slots and a razor knife or scissors
to cut out the middle works well.
We used black butyl tape to seal between the window frames and the skin of the beast.
This stuff is readily available at most RV supply houses for pretty cheap.
About 1/8" x 3/4" or so is a good size. Bigger is ok too. The excess will squeeze
out when you tighten the windows down. You can trim it off when you're done.
I found it best to keep tightening the (new stainless) screws once a day for a few
days get a good seal as the butyl conforms to the shape. Warm weather helps by making
the butyl more pliable.
Karen
1973 23' Patience Tester that no longer leaks like a sieve
1975 26' Insanity Plea
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92803 is a reply to message #92802] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 11:47 |
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| KB wrote on Wed, 21 July 2010 09:31 |
...
On the '73, there are aluminum splines holding the four frame
pieces together. They're held in with some really hard screws.
We found that if you don't disassemble it and apply some good
quality goop liberally to those splines, the windows will still leak, a lot.
Many here recommend a good quality marine sealant like the 5200 you
can get at West Marine.
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Good advice for the first style windows.
Be sure NOT to use anything like "5200" when installing the windows into the body... the windows will not be removable in the future... EVER!
If you can find the second style windows at a cheap price (IIRC: change over in 1975) it is a good upgrade. You can open and close the windows from the insides without moving the screens. They also leak "less" than the early windows.
There are other more modern window upgrades at much more cost.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92842 is a reply to message #92839] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 21:51 |
ejuk8em
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Wow! That would be awesome! Please keep in touch and we can work out the
shipping details.
Thanks,
Lyle
PS. What are replacing the windows with???
Lyle A. Rigdon, Superintendent
Pawnee Community Unit School District #11
Pawnee, IL 62558
Pawnee Pride - Live It!
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From: Jim Decheine <jade@tabletoptelephone.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
Lyle;
I'm replacing all the windows in my 73, 26' Painted Desert from Gene Dotson.
Unfortunately, I won't be doing that until I get back in Ajo, AZ. this Fall.
You are welcome to any of the windows I'm taking out just for the shipping.
JADE
73 23' ?73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo,AZ.
KC7QGC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyle A. Rigdon" <ejuk8em@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:39 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
Greetings All. We just bought our first GMC after looking at them for years.
It's a 26' - '73 and yes... it's a big project. I just retired so I do have
more
time. I've also redone a '68 Airstream, so I kind of know some of the ropes.
This weekend I am gutting the rear compartment and would like to know how to
pull the windows to re-seal them. I have all of the "inside" skin off down
to
the coach frame and have removed the aluminum brackets that were screwed to
the aluminum window frames on the inside. It would seem that I've removed
everything that could be holding the windows in place from the inside. The
coach
has lots of water damage below the windows so I'm sure this needs attention.
I
was about to just start tapping the window frames with a mallet from the
inside
and decided I better ask for advice first!!!
Also, one of the rear glasses is missing on this coach (D. Side... last
window
on the rear side). How does one go about acquiring glass???
Take care and thanks in advance for any assistance you could provide!
Lyle
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92845 is a reply to message #92802] |
Wed, 21 July 2010 22:18 |
ejuk8em
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Great email!! That info is going to help a ton. Thanks so much!
Lyle
Lyle A. Rigdon, Superintendent
Pawnee Community Unit School District #11
Pawnee, IL 62558
Pawnee Pride - Live It!
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From: KB <kab7@sonic.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:31:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
We used a block of wood and a rubber mallet to tap them out.
Just be careful you don't whack the glass.
For sure have a helper outside to keep it from falling.
On the '73, there are aluminum splines holding the four frame
pieces together. They're held in with some really hard screws.
We found that if you don't disassemble it and apply some good
quality goop liberally to those splines, the windows will still leak, a lot.
Many here recommend a good quality marine sealant like the 5200 you
can get at West Marine.
To get the spline screws out, we used a bit brace and some penetrating oil
(automatic tranny fluid and acetone in equal parts is good and cheap).
Lay the window face down on a padded surface like a blanket.
With the bit brace, you can really lean your weight into the screws
to keep the bit from slipping. Sometimes screwing it in slightly will
break it loose when going the other way doesn't work.
If you strip the screw heads, they're *really* difficult to remove.
They're extremely hard, so trying to drill them out usually mean you slip and
put a hole in the softer aluminum instead. You might consider replacing the
screws
with stainless when putting it back together. We also painted the frames while
it was apart.
We used 5/64" (or 2mm) glass setting tape to replace the rubber on the
fixed window sections. You can get this from auto glass suppliers or online.
A little soapy water helps when installing these.
The fuzzy channel is available from many of the gmc suppliers, or here:
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/Airstream_Motorhome_Window_Channel_p/vts-278.htm
You should also replace the little fuzzy strips that ride between the pieces of
glass
since you can't get at it unless the window is apart and it's usually rotted.
That's available at almost any hardware store.
Once it's back together, cut slots in the fuzzy channel to allow water to drain
at
each of the window drainage slots. On some of the windows, the outside slot
doesn't
line up with the inside slot, so check carefully before cutting.
A paper punch to cut the ends of the rubber slots and a razor knife or scissors
to cut out the middle works well.
We used black butyl tape to seal between the window frames and the skin of the
beast.
This stuff is readily available at most RV supply houses for pretty cheap.
About 1/8" x 3/4" or so is a good size. Bigger is ok too. The excess will
squeeze
out when you tighten the windows down. You can trim it off when you're done.
I found it best to keep tightening the (new stainless) screws once a day for a
few
days get a good seal as the butyl conforms to the shape. Warm weather helps by
making
the butyl more pliable.
Karen
1973 23' Patience Tester that no longer leaks like a sieve
1975 26' Insanity Plea
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92849 is a reply to message #92842] |
Thu, 22 July 2010 00:41 |
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I got them from Gene Dotson.
He also handles the aluminum radiators.
I'm sure Jim K. probably handles the windows to.
JADE
73 23' ?73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo,AZ.
KC7QGC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyle A. Rigdon" <ejuk8em@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
Wow! That would be awesome! Please keep in touch and we can work out the
shipping details.
Thanks,
Lyle
PS. What are replacing the windows with???
Lyle A. Rigdon, Superintendent
Pawnee Community Unit School District #11
Pawnee, IL 62558
Pawnee Pride - Live It!
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From: Jim Decheine <jade@tabletoptelephone.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
Lyle;
I'm replacing all the windows in my 73, 26' Painted Desert from Gene Dotson.
Unfortunately, I won't be doing that until I get back in Ajo, AZ. this Fall.
You are welcome to any of the windows I'm taking out just for the shipping.
JADE
73 23' ?73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo,AZ.
KC7QGC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyle A. Rigdon" <ejuk8em@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:39 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
Greetings All. We just bought our first GMC after looking at them for years.
It's a 26' - '73 and yes... it's a big project. I just retired so I do have
more
time. I've also redone a '68 Airstream, so I kind of know some of the ropes.
This weekend I am gutting the rear compartment and would like to know how to
pull the windows to re-seal them. I have all of the "inside" skin off down
to
the coach frame and have removed the aluminum brackets that were screwed to
the aluminum window frames on the inside. It would seem that I've removed
everything that could be holding the windows in place from the inside. The
coach
has lots of water damage below the windows so I'm sure this needs attention.
I
was about to just start tapping the window frames with a mallet from the
inside
and decided I better ask for advice first!!!
Also, one of the rear glasses is missing on this coach (D. Side... last
window
on the rear side). How does one go about acquiring glass???
Take care and thanks in advance for any assistance you could provide!
Lyle
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92859 is a reply to message #92839] |
Thu, 22 July 2010 07:32 |
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Decheine
<jade@tabletoptelephone.com>wrote:
> Lyle;
> I'm replacing all the windows in my 73, 26' Painted Desert from Gene
> Dotson.
> Unfortunately, I won't be doing that until I get back in Ajo, AZ. this
> Fall.
> You are welcome to any of the windows I'm taking out just for the shipping.
>
Recognize that the replacement windows from Gene and Jim (Motorhome
Enhancements) are the house windows, not the cockpit side windows. A
replacement for those would be nice, but the compound curve has defeated
efforts to find a replacement manufacturer.
I tried to use butyl tape when I reinstalled my cockpit windows, but could
not find any that would squeeze down tightly enough to allow the clips to be
installed properly. I ended up using (horrors!) silicone caulk.
Yes, they still leak, but I don't think from the caulk. I solved the leak
problem by coming to terms with it. I replaced the insulation behind the
side panels with mylar-coated bubble-wrap, which is waterproof), and after
replacing the rotted floor sections, I fiberglassed over them to make the
floor waterproof. I then installed drains in the floor at the back of the
cockpit, behind the side panel, to give any entering water a place to go. My
drains are 3/8" copper tubing, flared on the drain end and sunk into
countersinks in the floor to be flush with the surface. I glued them in
place to seal the floor around them up to the new fiberglass. The copper
tubing just pokes down into the area behind the front fender. A bit of
stainless steel wool will prevent insect encroachment.
Rick "waterproof rather than watertight" Denney
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92880 is a reply to message #92859] |
Thu, 22 July 2010 12:17 |
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Great Advice!!! I will have all of the interior below the walls out shortly. So I will be able to examine what is going on much more closely. I like the idea of being able to put in drains... just in case.
Thanks so much for the input!
Lyle
Lyle A. Rigdon, Retired Superintendent
Pawnee, IL 62558
Pawnee Pride - Live It!
--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Richard Denney <rwdenney@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Richard Denney <rwdenney@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows??
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:32 AM
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Decheine
<jade@tabletoptelephone.com>wrote:
> Lyle;
> I'm replacing all the windows in my 73, 26' Painted Desert from Gene
> Dotson.
> Unfortunately, I won't be doing that until I get back in Ajo, AZ. this
> Fall.
> You are welcome to any of the windows I'm taking out just for the shipping.
>
Recognize that the replacement windows from Gene and Jim (Motorhome
Enhancements) are the house windows, not the cockpit side windows. A
replacement for those would be nice, but the compound curve has defeated
efforts to find a replacement manufacturer.
I tried to use butyl tape when I reinstalled my cockpit windows, but could
not find any that would squeeze down tightly enough to allow the clips to be
installed properly. I ended up using (horrors!) silicone caulk.
Yes, they still leak, but I don't think from the caulk. I solved the leak
problem by coming to terms with it. I replaced the insulation behind the
side panels with mylar-coated bubble-wrap, which is waterproof), and after
replacing the rotted floor sections, I fiberglassed over them to make the
floor waterproof. I then installed drains in the floor at the back of the
cockpit, behind the side panel, to give any entering water a place to go. My
drains are 3/8" copper tubing, flared on the drain end and sunk into
countersinks in the floor to be flush with the surface. I glued them in
place to seal the floor around them up to the new fiberglass. The copper
tubing just pokes down into the area behind the front fender. A bit of
stainless steel wool will prevent insect encroachment.
Rick "waterproof rather than watertight" Denney
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #92890 is a reply to message #92885] |
Thu, 22 July 2010 15:50 |
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I used a 1/8" router bit in my Dremel to open the slots. Worked really
nice - clean cut.
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One thing I recently learned about the Window frame drain slots is the slot on the outside of the frame does not always align with the slot inside the track. When making your cuts, LOOK FOR THE SLOT INSIDE THE FRAME TRACK for alignment.
It appears the slot drains to a inner track which drains to the outer drain slot...... Sheesh, and I thought they would make it easy.....
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| Re: [GMCnet] How to seal leaking side windows?? [message #93143 is a reply to message #92909] |
Sat, 24 July 2010 21:56 |
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mike miller
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Registered: February 2004
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
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That's the one!
When I first saw it I thought the fireplace was a TV and the coach was set up for a wheel chair accessable.
Now that I looked again, I no longer wonder if it was a Playboy coach.... I would say no... It still has the stickers on the fireplace!
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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