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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91566] |
Sun, 11 July 2010 17:55  |
Gary Casey
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Rob,
It was a poor attempt at a joke. But actually, when I read reports of blowouts
and tread separations, I don't see any obvious correlation with age. there
probably is, but it is less than obvious. And there might be just a smidge of
truth in the idea that if they haven't blown by now they might not. Only a
smidge, though.
Gary
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:28:54 -0500
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire
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Gary,
It's Sunday morning here in Orlando and I haven't had my coffee yet so I
don't get what you are saying below.
Are you saying it's OK to run tires longer than Michelin's recommendations?
Regards,
Rob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91574 is a reply to message #91566] |
Sun, 11 July 2010 18:57  |
Ken Burton
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| Gary Casey wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 17:55 |
Rob,
It was a poor attempt at a joke. But actually, when I read reports of blowouts
and tread separations, I don't see any obvious correlation with age. there
probably is, but it is less than obvious. And there might be just a smidge of
truth in the idea that if they haven't blown by now they might not. Only a
smidge, though.
Gary
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:28:54 -0500
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire
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Gary,
It's Sunday morning here in Orlando and I haven't had my coffee yet so I
don't get what you are saying below.
Are you saying it's OK to run tires longer than Michelin's recommendations?
Regards,
Rob
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I would not run them much over the Michelin 10 year recommendation for RV tires.
www.michelinrvtires.com/assets/.../TB-Service-Life-for-RV-Tires.pdf
If you are going to run them much longer, inspect them thoroughly, and check them at every stop for temperature differences. Also be especially vigilant for vibrations that feel like tire balance problems no matter how old the tire is. This is usually the first indication of a tire starting to bulge or separate. You are on your own after 10 years.
My removed 12 year old Michelins continued in service on a music company daily delivery van. I think that makes them 15 years old now. The owner drives the van home every night and back to the store in the morning.
Note: Some people like to replace tires after the warranty runs out (usually around 5 or 6 years). I use things all the time where the warranty has run out including every vehicle that I own and the laptop I am using to make this posting.
If you have the money, then replace them every time the warranty runs out.
Come to think about hasn't the warranty run out on your GMC?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91602 is a reply to message #91574] |
Sun, 11 July 2010 22:37 |
Richard Denney
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
> My removed 12 year old Michelins continued in service on a music company
> daily delivery van. I think that makes them 15 years old now. The owner
> drives the van home every night and back to the store in the morning.
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> Note: Some people like to replace tires after the warranty runs out
> (usually around 5 or 6 years). I use things all the time where the warranty
> has run out including every vehicle that I own and the laptop I am using to
> make this posting.
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Ken, remember that tires maintain their flexibility (and their ability not
to break down in the presence of heat from hysteresis) through the use of
chemicals that release as the rubber is exercised. I will run tires into
deep old age if they are driven daily, such as on the delivery van you
mentioned. The tires on the coach get asked to run a marathon a couple times
a year, but with no training in between.
There are two other points to remember, also. 1.) when a tire on the GMC
blows out, it often does considerable additional damage, and 2.) we aren't
driving GMC's around town for deliveries. We are driving them on the
highway, often quite distant from help.
The last thing I want to worry about as I'm driving the GMC is tires.
On the subject of trends, I can't correlate blowouts based on age, EXCEPT
that nearly all the non-road-hazard blowouts reported on GMCnet have
involved tires that were six or more years old.
Rick "whose last set was showing significant sidewall cracks at just short
of seven years" Denney
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91605 is a reply to message #91602] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 00:02 |
Ken Burton
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That is exactly why Michelin came out with their 10 year recommendation on RV tires. If you look closely they say this only applies to RVs and not to tires if they are used on trucks.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91611 is a reply to message #91602] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 05:06 |
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| Richard Denney wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 20:37 |
... tires maintain their flexibility (and their ability not
to break down in the presence of heat from hysteresis) through the use of
chemicals that release as the rubber is exercised. ...
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Does anyone know what these chemicals are? Seems to me that it would be good to have it in some kind of "tire dressing" that could be applied to the sidewalls (and treads?). Something like boot grease or shoe polish (paste or liquid)... what ever would give a carrier medium for "these chemicals." It wouldn't replace the benefits of actual use of the tire, but it should slow down the "drying" of the surface rubber.
I figure there would be a market for this type of product especially in hot dry areas, where the high ozone levels dry out tires and other rubber products very quickly.
If there is already a product like this on the market... I haven't heard of it. (Don't even bring up Armor All and all the "silly-cone" based "tire shining" products.)
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91613 is a reply to message #91611] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 06:38 |
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Mike,
I'm not sure, but a product called Ruglyde is a rubber lubricant. It's what
most tire installers use to lubricate the tire/rim. I first came across it
back in the 60's working at my uncle's service station. We used it for
soaking rubber parts before installation. Shock absorber bushings, front
end bushings etc. When applied to rubber it makes the rubber very
slippery.
I believe it comes in quarts, gallons and assorted size drums. It is
available at NAPA as part number 765-1338 (gallon). When I went to purchase
it last year at the huge NAPA warehouse - the counter guys never heard of
it. It mostly sells out the back door to the tire stores. IIRC it's in
the NAPA book under tire accessories.
The jug states it is a three way product, tire mount & demount, rubber lube
and rubber cleaner and dressing.
I've never tried it as a dressing, but I know it is safe to use.
I may just go find an old tire out back and test it.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Richard Denney wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 20:37
> > ... tires maintain their flexibility (and their ability not
> > to break down in the presence of heat from hysteresis) through the use of
> > chemicals that release as the rubber is exercised. ...
>
>
> Does anyone know what these chemicals are? Seems to me that it would be
> good to have it in some kind of "tire dressing" that could be applied to the
> sidewalls (and treads?). Something like boot grease or shoe polish (paste
> or liquid)... what ever would give a carrier medium for "these chemicals."
> It wouldn't replace the benefits of actual use of the tire, but it should
> slow down the "drying" of the surface rubber.
>
> I figure there would be a market for this type of product especially in hot
> dry areas, where the high ozone levels dry out tires and other rubber
> products very quickly.
>
> If there is already a product like this on the market... I haven't heard of
> it. (Don't even bring up Armor All and all the "silly-cone" based "tire
> shining" products.)
> --
> Mike Miller
> `73 26' X Painted D.
> `78 23' Birchaven
> Hillsboro, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91625 is a reply to message #91611] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 08:58 |
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| mike miller wrote on Mon, 12 July 2010 06:06 |
| Richard Denney wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 20:37 |
... tires maintain their flexibility (and their ability not
to break down in the presence of heat from hysteresis) through the use of
chemicals that release as the rubber is exercised. ...
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Does anyone know what these chemicals are? Seems to me that it would be good to have it in some kind of "tire dressing" that could be applied to the sidewalls (and treads?). Something like boot grease or shoe polish (paste or liquid)... what ever would give a carrier medium for "these chemicals." It wouldn't replace the benefits of actual use of the tire, but it should slow down the "drying" of the surface rubber.
I figure there would be a market for this type of product especially in hot dry areas, where the high ozone levels dry out tires and other rubber products very quickly.
If there is already a product like this on the market... I haven't heard of it. (Don't even bring up Armor All and all the "silly-cone" based "tire shining" products.)
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Mike,
I don't think a tire dressing would do any good. The chemicals used in tiremanufacture are mixed in the rubber compound and are designed to come to the surface continuously as the tire flexes. Just coating the surface with something that would go away quickly would not do much good. and I would not be too sure you would want to handle them anyway.
Gene Dotson
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91639 is a reply to message #91637] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 11:28 |
Keith V
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On corvette form there is a thread about a car blowing tires just sitting in the shop. The tires are from the 80s and have been inside most of the time. and this is on a 3000 lb car.
everyone is completely surprised, even a guy that sold tires for 11 years. I had to educate them ;-0
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| [GMCnet] Tire Dressing [message #91640 is a reply to message #91613] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 11:35 |
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I'm not sure, but a product called Ruglyde is a rubber lubricant.
> It's what
> most tire installers use to lubricate the tire/rim. I first came
> across it
> back in the 60's working at my uncle's service station. We used it
> for
> soaking rubber parts before installation. Shock absorber bushings,
> front
> end bushings etc. When applied to rubber it makes the rubber very
> slippery.
>
> I believe it comes in quarts, gallons and assorted size drums. It is
> available at NAPA as part number 765-1338 (gallon). When I went to
> purchase
> it last year at the huge NAPA warehouse - the counter guys never
> heard of
> it. It mostly sells out the back door to the tire stores. IIRC
> it's in
> the NAPA book under tire accessories.
>
> The jug states it is a three way product, tire mount & demount,
> rubber lube
> and rubber cleaner and dressing.
>
> I've never tried it as a dressing, but I know it is safe to use.
>
> I may just go find an old tire out back and test it.
>
>
Ruglyde is a tire lubricant and it is also used as a tire "dressing".
It used to be a repackaged product of Dow Chemical called RL684. This
was sold by Dow in 55 gallon drums. Back in the late 60's I was the
first salesman of Dow to ever sell a tank truck of this. I sold it to
a repackaged in Brooklyn that repacked it into cans with private
labels for Pep Boys, R & S Auto Stores, and other such retailers.
It is a polyglycol and is good for mounting tires and gives the
surface of tires a nice shine. Unlike oil and petroleum products, it
will do no harm to the rubber, but it will not in any way extend the
life of tires. It cannot soak in and replace the plastisizers that are
in rubber tires when they are manufactured. Once this has migrated to
the surface and evaporated over years there is nothing that can
prevent tires from getting brittle and cracking.
Just plan on replacing your tires before they break up.
Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Dressing [message #91644 is a reply to message #91640] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 12:18 |
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Emery,
I wasn't sure about RuGLYDE delaying the aging of tires. I just know it's a
terrific lubricant for rubber. I would also guess that if there was a
product that actually treated the tires to reduce the depletion of the
plasticizers in rubber and/or vinyl - someone would be marketing it.
Upon further review (and putting on my glasses) the contents are listed by
weight as follows:
Water 85-90%
Potassium Vegetable oil soap 5-15%
Ethylene Glycol 1-5%
"Stops rubber squeaks, safe and long lasting. Use on shock absorber
bushings, stabilizer linkage, shackles, rubber grommets, insulating strips
and pads and other rubber parts."
Also recommended as a cleaner for leather & vinyl.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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> On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I'm not sure, but a product called Ruglyde is a rubber lubricant.
> > It's what
> > most tire installers use to lubricate the tire/rim. I first came
> > across it
> > back in the 60's working at my uncle's service station. We used it
> > for
> > soaking rubber parts before installation. Shock absorber bushings,
> > front
> > end bushings etc. When applied to rubber it makes the rubber very
> > slippery.
> >
> > I believe it comes in quarts, gallons and assorted size drums. It is
> > available at NAPA as part number 765-1338 (gallon). When I went to
> > purchase
> > it last year at the huge NAPA warehouse - the counter guys never
> > heard of
> > it. It mostly sells out the back door to the tire stores. IIRC
> > it's in
> > the NAPA book under tire accessories.
> >
> > The jug states it is a three way product, tire mount & demount,
> > rubber lube
> > and rubber cleaner and dressing.
> >
> > I've never tried it as a dressing, but I know it is safe to use.
> >
> > I may just go find an old tire out back and test it.
> >
> >
> Ruglyde is a tire lubricant and it is also used as a tire "dressing".
>
> It used to be a repackaged product of Dow Chemical called RL684. This
> was sold by Dow in 55 gallon drums. Back in the late 60's I was the
> first salesman of Dow to ever sell a tank truck of this. I sold it to
> a repackaged in Brooklyn that repacked it into cans with private
> labels for Pep Boys, R & S Auto Stores, and other such retailers.
>
> It is a polyglycol and is good for mounting tires and gives the
> surface of tires a nice shine. Unlike oil and petroleum products, it
> will do no harm to the rubber, but it will not in any way extend the
> life of tires. It cannot soak in and replace the plastisizers that are
> in rubber tires when they are manufactured. Once this has migrated to
> the surface and evaporated over years there is nothing that can
> prevent tires from getting brittle and cracking.
>
> Just plan on replacing your tires before they break up.
>
> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Dressing [message #91659 is a reply to message #91644] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 13:32 |
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I used RuGlide just after WWII when I worked in a Shell Station. We were instructed to hit every rubber bushing on the car with it, so there would be no squeaks after the lube/oil. Also show the customer the dipstick to make sure the new oil was added and he saw it. We had a competitor that didn't check after lube and you know what eventually happened. New motors were expensive even then.
geo groth '73 260 Sequoia
Carson City Nevada 89703
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91681 is a reply to message #91566] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 16:39 |
WayneB
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It seems people are becoming paranoid about tyres suddenly blowing for no apparent reason (maybe in the aftermath of the Firestone/Ford Explorer deal), but in my experience most catostrophic tyre faiures start out as simple as a slow pucture or even underinflation which robs the tyre of the airs cooling effect as it deflates and caused overheating, tread separation and eventual failure.
As far as how long do you run a tyre, I have some tyres on one of my vehicles that are over 10 years old and show no visible cracking or aging so I will continue to use them without concern untill they do show obvious signs of distress.
Of course this scenario only really applies to a quality tyre,you will be lucky to get 5 years out of some of the Chinese, Korean and East Indian cheapo tyres I have seen lately for sale.
1976 23' GMCII By Explorer
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91688 is a reply to message #91681] |
Mon, 12 July 2010 17:07 |
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Normally I would agree with you but I have several friends who have had the rear tires blow well in advance of the 10 year time limit. Although I'm not proud of it, I did run my Michelins 13 years before replacing them last year with BFG T/A's. Of course XPS rib tires were so hard, I'm not sure if they even had air in them !
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91910 is a reply to message #91693] |
Wed, 14 July 2010 07:13 |
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Sounds like a good topic for a presentation at GMCWS Las Vegas Jim.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:28 PM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tires that carry more than 50 psi are a different breed of cat than the
> tires you run on your daily drivers. I grew up in a logging town where the
> local garage also sold log truck tires mounted on split ring rims. They used
> to inflate them without a safety cage until they had one blow apart about 80
> psi. Knocked the mechanic through the bathroom wall and the tire flew out
> through the skylight landing on the roof on the way back down. Broke his
> wrist and forearm in several places. They put them under the hydraulic hoist
> and lowered it down on the tires after that and made up an inflation chuck
> that screwed onto the valve stem with a long hose attatched after that.
> Blowouts on the road can do a similar amount of damage to your coach. I
> would never run high pressure tires for ten years no matter what they look
> like on the outside mostly because of the infrequent use that these coaches
> get. Sitting in the sun does the same thing to the tires that it does to
> us.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Royale 403
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> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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>> Normally I would agree with you but I have several friends who have had the
>> rear tires blow well in advance of the 10 year time limit. Although I'm not
>> proud of it, I did run my Michelins 13 years before replacing them last year
>> with BFG T/A's. Of course XPS rib tires were so hard, I'm not sure if they
>> even had air in them !
>> --
>> Bob de Kruyff
>> 78 Eleganza
>> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Date Code on Blown Tire [message #91934 is a reply to message #91910] |
Wed, 14 July 2010 10:34 |
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Steve, I agree and it is a subject near and dear to my heart. I'll see what
I can do.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> Sounds like a good topic for a presentation at GMCWS Las Vegas Jim.
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:28 PM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Tires that carry more than 50 psi are a different breed of cat than the
> > tires you run on your daily drivers. I grew up in a logging town where
> the
> > local garage also sold log truck tires mounted on split ring rims. They
> used
> > to inflate them without a safety cage until they had one blow apart about
> 80
> > psi. Knocked the mechanic through the bathroom wall and the tire flew out
> > through the skylight landing on the roof on the way back down. Broke his
> > wrist and forearm in several places. They put them under the hydraulic
> hoist
> > and lowered it down on the tires after that and made up an inflation
> chuck
> > that screwed onto the valve stem with a long hose attatched after that.
> > Blowouts on the road can do a similar amount of damage to your coach. I
> > would never run high pressure tires for ten years no matter what they
> look
> > like on the outside mostly because of the infrequent use that these
> coaches
> > get. Sitting in the sun does the same thing to the tires that it does to
> > us.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Royale 403
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Normally I would agree with you but I have several friends who have had
> the
> >> rear tires blow well in advance of the 10 year time limit. Although I'm
> not
> >> proud of it, I did run my Michelins 13 years before replacing them last
> year
> >> with BFG T/A's. Of course XPS rib tires were so hard, I'm not sure if
> they
> >> even had air in them !
> >> --
> >> Bob de Kruyff
> >> 78 Eleganza
> >> Chandler, AZ
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> --
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> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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