| Cruise Controls [message #90575] |
Wed, 30 June 2010 18:42  |
bryant374
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Were there actually TZE's that came originally without CC?
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Rusty
75 Glenbrook
Philadelphia Pa
Originally factory CC was option# K30. The 1973 cost was $80, 1975 it was $100 and in 1977 it was $110.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
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| Re: Cruise Controls [message #90590 is a reply to message #90576] |
Wed, 30 June 2010 20:35  |
midlf
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| Hardie Johnson wrote on Wed, 30 June 2010 18:48 |
CC? Heck there were coaches that came without engine AC!
"how do I know? . . ."
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At this time in the GMC history not having Chassis air would be a blessing. You would not waste any time attempting to get it to cool properly but would just jump to a workable solution.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Cruise Controls [message #90593 is a reply to message #90575] |
Wed, 30 June 2010 21:15 |
GeorgeRud
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I'll second that as I'm trying to ressurrect mine right now! It probably is easier to purchase one of the aftermarket units like JimK sells, get a new compressor that fits the original brackets, and get cooling!
The twists and turns of the original system still have me baffled! As I like to spend more time figuring things out than spending money, I will still keep working on my system in my head for a while! Even the GMC tech articles on the heating/AC system don't quite make sense to me at this point!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cruise Controls [message #90622 is a reply to message #90590] |
Thu, 01 July 2010 07:44 |
Jim Bounds
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Was jumping through this thread but when Steve used the term "workable solution" I though I would give you guys a picture of what we are working through as a "workable solution" for several things all at the same time.
It's true that changing complete systems like the dash AC, cruise control and stuff can get involved and unfortunatly as our coaches get older and the pieces/parts start to break down, your options to fix things "better' are reduced.
In seeing coaches that are in need of rehab, I run into my share of dashes that are rotted and the plastic is simply going away. Only 77 & 78 coaches have a dash AC system that is able to provide descent air without a huges expendature of labor, wiring is being comprimized from many issues so we have "dash issues" a plenty trying to renovate a coach.
To try and make all of these things better which we are usually charged to do-- I finally said lets just take it all out and start over. This sounds involved and expensive but wait, spread the cost of this between the total renovation of the front of the interior, fixing the dash to look good, providing a descent dash AC andf a new instrument cluster, new cruise control if you like all wrapped up in a new dash and the cost is pretty managable.
We have a new one piece dash mold we are working with, we yank out the entire dash and the entire dash AC / heat system. We add in an all new, servo controlled (no old vacuum operated baffles) in dash heat / cool system, a one piece new dash itself which will fit either the original dash cluster or one of Mac's new dash cluster kits. While everything is out, you hacve total access to all wiring, the steering column is lowered making it more user friendly so you throw the baby out with the bathwater making everything look good and actually work!
We have 3 dashes going in as we speak, one is in and gone, the second is going in today with the 3rd waiting in the wings. We are learning much about our mold and how to totally renovate the dash area in this way as we do these 3 projects. I feel as time goes on more and more coach renovations will need a total dash replacement and this concept will be more and more popular. Sorry no, I cannot sell just the dash mold, it has to be fitted and tailored to each coach, there is labor involved so I do not see this as an option for foulks outside the shop but it does give the coach that "workable solution" Steve mentioned.
I plan to offer this as a standard option to future renovations, if you want to see this dash, go take a look at past posts on my daily pose. This has now become the best thing for a coach that is wanting to be as new and fresh looking as possible,
Jim Bounds
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From: Steve Southworth <midlf@centurytel.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 9:35:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Cruise Controls
Hardie Johnson wrote on Wed, 30 June 2010 18:48
> CC? Heck there were coaches that came without engine AC!
> "how do I know? . . ."
At this time in the GMC history not having Chassis air would be a blessing. You would not waste any time attempting to get it to cool properly but would just jump to a workable solution.
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Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Cruise Controls [message #90627 is a reply to message #90615] |
Thu, 01 July 2010 08:06 |
midlf
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| Hardie Johnson wrote on Thu, 01 July 2010 06:58 |
So what is the other workable solution?
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JimB has addressed one approach, although I would call this a "lotta work" solution. But he does have a very good point about combined effort to solve several problems.
My thoughts on the "workable solution" are more in the line of add ons like the Jim's and some others have done using extra A/C units or street rod solutions. If you have good men's mall material available you can play with rear A/C or other auxiliary A/C solutions.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Cruise Controls [message #90641 is a reply to message #90627] |
Thu, 01 July 2010 09:00 |
Rick Denney
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| midlf wrote on Thu, 01 July 2010 09:06 |
| Hardie Johnson wrote on Thu, 01 July 2010 06:58 |
So what is the other workable solution?
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JimB has addressed one approach, although I would call this a "lotta work" solution. But he does have a very good point about combined effort to solve several problems.
My thoughts on the "workable solution" are more in the line of add ons like the Jim's and some others have done using extra A/C units or street rod solutions. If you have good men's mall material available you can play with rear A/C or other auxiliary A/C solutions.
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Jim's idea of "workable" differs from mine, mostly because of 1.) cash and 2.) location.
But the under-dash supplemental unit is only a partial solution for someone like Hardie who has no factory system at all. He will still have to figure out how to obtain and mount a compressor, condenser, dryer, and the associated factory hoses, none of which come with the supplemental AC kit.
The next level up requires removing the dash, and installing a proper blower box and the duct-work necessary for an in-dash system. Ken Henderson has taken this approach with considerable success, but not without 1.) being really smart and capable, and 2.) having time on his hands (despite protestations to the contrary).
Here's Ken's album on his dash replacement, which includes much about air conditioning:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4899
Running the roof air from the generator is a pretty good solution, if the generator is reliable.
Rick "whose dash air is good enough for now" Denney
'73 Glacier 230 "Jaws"
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| Re: Cruise Controls [message #90734 is a reply to message #90575] |
Thu, 01 July 2010 17:39 |
philipswanson
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IMHO, it is much better to do these jobs yourself. Otherwise you would end up sinking thousands in a dashboard, AC and cruise control. It is not that difficult if you take your time. All the parts are available even though some vendors won't sell individual parts in order to snag the whole job. Parts is parts!! In most cases, they are buying them from someone else too. You can do the same and save a ton of money and take pride in doing the work yourself.
Phil Swanson
77GMCPB
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