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Fri, 25 June 2010 17:32  |
jhb1
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Hi
After the last 500 miles of knocking from the final drive heard a BIG CLUNK now have a 1/2 inch of play in the drivers side bearing of the final drive. Does any body have a spare stock 3.07 final drive?
Sitting here in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Wisconson Dells looking for options can get a 3.70 FINAL DRIVE from JimK but not till Tuesday at the earliest. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89901 is a reply to message #89898] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 17:44  |
GeorgeRud
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Try contacting Steve Southworth (midlf on the GMC list). I don't think he's too far from the Wisconsin Dells, and I believe he has a parts coach.
George Rudawsky
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89902 is a reply to message #89898] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 17:57 |
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Actually, Steve is not all that close, but he is on the Black List, so try him on his cell, 262-501-4566. There is also a fellow named Bill McCain that is listed (262-215-9447) that may be able to help.
If these don't pan out, try searching the Black List
www.bdub.net/Black_List/GMCAssist.pdf
George Rudawsky
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89903 is a reply to message #89902] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 18:07 |
jhb1
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Thanks
Steve has drive on the shelf but is working nights I will try and work something out with Steve this evening, I will keep the forum up to date on my progress.
| GeorgeRud wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 18:57 |
Actually, Steve is not all that close, but he is on the Black List, so try him on his cell, 262-501-4566. There is also a fellow named Bill McCain that is listed (262-215-9447) that may be able to help.
If these don't pan out, try searching the Black List
www.bdub.net/Black_List/GMCAssist.pdf
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John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89906 is a reply to message #89901] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 19:21 |
midlf
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| GeorgeRud wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:44 |
Try contacting Steve Southworth (midlf on the GMC list). I don't think he's too far from the Wisconsin Dells, and I believe he has a parts coach.
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John got in touch with me and I have a 3.07 I can make available. Unfortunately for bad timing I am working nights this week so I can not be personally involved. Otherwise I would have been able to toss the FD in the truck with some tools and jackstands and we coulda "got er dun"
I've tried to get in touch with Erspamer, Lopez, Feggestad, and Derr off the Black List to see if they had any ideas or could help in some way. However it is a Friday night in WI and between the traditional Fish Fry Friday and all the summer activities no one is home. Maybe there will be some hits later tonight.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89913 is a reply to message #89906] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 20:01 |
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Is Larry Weidner of Menomonie within a reasonable distance? He may know of a source.
Dennis
| midlf wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 19:21 |
| GeorgeRud wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:44 |
Try contacting Steve Southworth (midlf on the GMC list). I don't think he's too far from the Wisconsin Dells, and I believe he has a parts coach.
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John got in touch with me and I have a 3.07 I can make available. Unfortunately for bad timing I am working nights this week so I can not be personally involved. Otherwise I would have been able to toss the FD in the truck with some tools and jackstands and we coulda "got er dun"
I've tried to get in touch with Erspamer, Lopez, Feggestad, and Derr off the Black List to see if they had any ideas or could help in some way. However it is a Friday night in WI and between the traditional Fish Fry Friday and all the summer activities no one is home. Maybe there will be some hits later tonight.
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Dennis S
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Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89922 is a reply to message #89913] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 20:28 |
Larry
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| Dennis Sexton wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 20:01 |
Is Larry Weidner of Menomonie within a reasonable distance? He may know of a source.
Dennis
| midlf wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 19:21 |
| GeorgeRud wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:44 |
Try contacting Steve Southworth (midlf on the GMC list). I don't think he's too far from the Wisconsin Dells, and I believe he has a parts coach.
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John got in touch with me and I have a 3.07 I can make available. Unfortunately for bad timing I am working nights this week so I can not be personally involved. Otherwise I would have been able to toss the FD in the truck with some tools and jackstands and we coulda "got er dun"
I've tried to get in touch with Erspamer, Lopez, Feggestad, and Derr off the Black List to see if they had any ideas or could help in some way. However it is a Friday night in WI and between the traditional Fish Fry Friday and all the summer activities no one is home. Maybe there will be some hits later tonight.
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Just saw the postiing. I have a 3.08 FD you can use, or we can contact John Biwersi for a 3.21. He rebuilds them and always has one on hand. Call me at home.
715-235-7422.
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #89925 is a reply to message #89922] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 20:38 |
midlf
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| Larry wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 20:28 |
[Just saw the posting. I have a 3.08 FD you can use, or we can contact John Biwersi for a 3.21. He rebuilds them and always has one on hand. Call me at home.
715-235-7422.
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John - I sent you a PM.
Larry is about 150 miles from the Dells, I'm about 100 miles in the other direction. One way or another this will get done. Geez I hope you weren't traveling on I-94 as you would have driven right by LarryW's place.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90041 is a reply to message #89898] |
Sat, 26 June 2010 19:29 |
Dennis S
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Any updates? Just curious..
Dennis
| jhb1 wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:32 |
Hi
After the last 500 miles of knocking from the final drive heard a BIG CLUNK now have a 1/2 inch of play in the drivers side bearing of the final drive. Does any body have a spare stock 3.07 final drive?
Sitting here in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Wisconson Dells looking for options can get a 3.70 FINAL DRIVE from JimK but not till Tuesday at the earliest. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90061 is a reply to message #89898] |
Sat, 26 June 2010 20:39 |
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| jhb1 wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 15:32 |
Hi
Sitting here in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Wisconson Dells looking for options can get a 3.70 FINAL DRIVE from JimK but not till Tuesday at the earliest. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
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The 3.70s are great if you are towing. If you have been wanting lower gears, then now would be the time. On the other hand...
We have had a 3.55 and a 3.07, both 455s. I love our coach with the stock 3.07s. It is a cruiser. We towed 2300lbs over the Grapevine no sweat with 3.07s. (It runs almost 50 at 3K RPMs in second gear.) The jump to 3.70s is close to 20%. But then I am a guy who wishes he had an overdrive and a lockup converter.
I also think about the fact that an engine with 120K miles on it with 3.07s has turned the same number of times as a 3.70 at 100K miles. Our 64 Riveria with 4.11s is pretty tired at 138K miles. 3.07s would put that mileage at about 102K miles and then it wasn't burning oil and the lifters weren't clacking.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90063 is a reply to message #90041] |
Sat, 26 June 2010 20:41 |
midlf
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| Dennis Sexton wrote on Sat, 26 June 2010 19:29 |
Any updates? Just curious..
Dennis
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John sent me a PM this AM saying "Thanks Steve I will let you know how this all turns out John" So it appears he will be doing an update.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90079 is a reply to message #90078] |
Sat, 26 June 2010 22:05 |
Dennis S
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John,
Great news! Great of John and Larry to respond so well in your crisis.
Break downs may occur -- and it is comforting to know how supportive our GMC group can be.
Dennis
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: jhb1 <jhbmjk@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Blown final drive in WI need help
Yes
ll is good John Bewersi and Larry Weidner drove 200 miles with a O/Hauled 3.21
inal drive and did most of the work removing the old one and installing the new
rive. So I am now mobile again. This is why we drive GMC's From the time I had
problem till there was a solution 3 hours from no go to fixed 24 hours. :d
Thanks To All
ennis Sexton wrote on Sat, 26 June 2010 20:29
Any updates? Just curious..
Dennis
jhb1 wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:32
> Hi
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> After the last 500 miles of knocking from the final drive heard a BIG CLUNK
ow have a 1/2 inch of play in the drivers side bearing of the final drive. Does
ny body have a spare stock 3.07 final drive?
> Sitting here in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Wisconson Dells looking for
ptions can get a 3.70 FINAL DRIVE from JimK but not till Tuesday at the
arliest. Any help would be appreciated
> Thanks
-
ohn H. Bell
7 Royale
ontreal Qc.
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| Re: Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90115 is a reply to message #90078] |
Sun, 27 June 2010 09:41 |
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| jhb1 wrote on Sat, 26 June 2010 21:42 |
Yes
All is good John Bewersi and Larry Weidner drove 200 miles with a O/Hauled 3.21 final drive and did most of the work removing the old one and installing the new drive. So I am now mobile again. This is why we drive GMC's From the time I had a problem till there was a solution 3 hours from no go to fixed 24 hours. 
Thanks To All
| Dennis Sexton wrote on Sat, 26 June 2010 20:29 |
Any updates? Just curious..
Dennis
| jhb1 wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:32 |
Hi
After the last 500 miles of knocking from the final drive heard a BIG CLUNK now have a 1/2 inch of play in the drivers side bearing of the final drive. Does any body have a spare stock 3.07 final drive?
Sitting here in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Wisconson Dells looking for options can get a 3.70 FINAL DRIVE from JimK but not till Tuesday at the earliest. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
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John Biwersi (JB) and I packed up things and headed for the Dells about 10:00am Saturday. By 1:00 we were hard at it. John Bell (JBe) we found out was a mechanic himself, having worked for Rolls Royce on their Jet engines for many years, so he was a BIG help!! Took about 1 1/2 hrs to get it out. Opened the cover and found two teeth missing from the pinion and laying in the bottom of the pan. (I've never seen that!!) Those teeth did some damage to the ring gear while floating around in there, Also found the drivers side output shaft bearings loose enough that the plate moved about 1/4" laterally. All in all a pretty messed up FD and a good diagnosis by JBe. JB closely directed the install of the new 3.21. Put a couple of bolts with heads cut off in the trans to use as guide pins. Took the FD pan off, set it on a floor jack and raised it up. Raise it a little...line it up...raise a little more, eyeball it. push toward the trans...line it up...raise a little...push...raise...line up...raise...down a little...CLUNK!!...just lie that it was in!! sometimes the slower you go, the faster you go. By 5:30 or 6:00 we were done....a little greasy....no, a LOT greasy!! All in all, JB is a EXCELLENT mechanic and good to work with, JBe also a good mechanic and contributed a lot to the job. JBe has about 1000 miles to cover today to get home, so we should know by tomorrow morning how the FD is...not that I'm worried. John Biwersi does an excellent job of rebuilding the 3.21! The only fly in the ointment...I walked in the door about midnight last night to a phone call that I left my clothing bag in Johns truck. So looks like I'll be seeing JB again sometime next week.
John Bell and his wife are VERY nice people and really showed their appreciation for our help. I really hope we get to see them again...lovely people!!
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90132 is a reply to message #90115] |
Sun, 27 June 2010 11:55 |
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Larry and John,
you both went out of your way to help.
Thank you.
We have seen many of the stock 3.07 pinion gears break as the rear pinion
gear wears out.
Continuing to drive after hearing noises of that amplitude is not too good
as other problems will develop.
That case is not worth rebuilding when things like this happen.
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Larry <weidnerl@wwt.net> wrote:
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> jhb1 wrote on Sat, 26 June 2010 21:42
> > Yes
> > All is good John Bewersi and Larry Weidner drove 200 miles with a
> O/Hauled 3.21 final drive and did most of the work removing the old one and
> installing the new drive. So I am now mobile again. This is why we drive
> GMC's From the time I had a problem till there was a solution 3 hours from
> no go to fixed 24 hours. :d
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> > Thanks To All
> > Dennis Sexton wrote on Sat, 26 June 2010 20:29
> > > Any updates? Just curious..
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> > > Dennis
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> > > jhb1 wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 17:32
> > > > Hi
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> > > > After the last 500 miles of knocking from the final drive heard a BIG
> CLUNK now have a 1/2 inch of play in the drivers side bearing of the final
> drive. Does any body have a spare stock 3.07 final drive?
> > > > Sitting here in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Wisconson Dells looking
> for options can get a 3.70 FINAL DRIVE from JimK but not till Tuesday at the
> earliest. Any help would be appreciated
> > > > Thanks
>
> John Biwersi (JB) and I packed up things and headed for the Dells about
> 10:00am Saturday. By 1:00 we were hard at it. John Bell (JBe) we found out
> was a mechanic himself, having worked for Rolls Royce on their Jet engines
> for many years, so he was a BIG help!! Took about 1 1/2 hrs to get it out.
> Opened the cover and found two teeth missing from the pinion and laying in
> the bottom of the pan. (I've never seen that!!) Those teeth did some damage
> to the ring gear while floating around in there, Also found the drivers
> side output shaft bearings loose enough that the plate moved about 1/4"
> laterally. All in all a pretty messed up FD and a good diagnosis by JBe. JB
> closely directed the install of the new 3.21. Put a couple of bolts with
> heads cut off in the trans to use as guide pins. Took the FD pan off, set it
> on a floor jack and raised it up. Raise it a little...line it up...raise a
> little more, eyeball it. push toward the trans...line it up...raise a
> little...push...raise
> ...line up...raise...down a little...CLUNK!!...just lie that it was in!!
> sometimes the slower you go, the faster you go. By 5:30 or 6:00 we were
> done....a little greasy....no, a LOT greasy!! All in all, JB is a EXCELLENT
> mechanic and good to work with, JBe also a good mechanic and contributed a
> lot to the job. JBe has about 1000 miles to cover today to get home, so we
> should know by tomorrow morning how the FD is...not that I'm worried. John
> Biwersi does an excellent job of rebuilding the 3.21! The only fly in the
> ointment...I walked in the door about midnight last night to a phone call
> that I left my clothing bag in Johns truck. So looks like I'll be seeing JB
> again sometime next week.
>
> John Bell and his wife are VERY nice people and really showed their
> appreciation for our help. I really hope we get to see them again...lovely
> people!!
> --
> Larry :)
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Blown final drive in WI need help [message #90162 is a reply to message #90140] |
Sun, 27 June 2010 16:04 |
jimk
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Dan,
You need to be doing something else after 12.
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Larry, thank you guys for coming to John's assistance. As others have said,
> this is one heck of a group. I am always comforted to know that we have such
> caring and capable guys as you two. I only worry when I am driving after
> midnight and there is no action on the net. I just hate waking folks up for
> help. 8o
> See you in Du Quoin.
> dan
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