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| [GMCnet] rear brake torque reaction system [message #87663] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 12:19  |
Charles Aulgur
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Any good lawyer can usually get around waivers so they are usually
not worth the paper they are written on. They usually do not stand
up in court -- especially when you have a relatively unsophistacated
(sp?) non-technical buyer and a smart designer who should have known
better.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
Emery,
Could you give us a little more information as to the meaning of
your last sentence? It can interpreted several ways.
Chuck Aulgur
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| Re: [GMCnet] rear brake torque reaction system [message #87709 is a reply to message #87668] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 19:36  |
Bob Miller
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Location: White Bear Lake, MN
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Emery,
I understand and respect what you are saying however having done quite a bit of expert witness work and having a coach with 6 wheel disk brakes where the rears lock up and skid in a fast stop, I am quite confident that we could put an expert witness on the stand who could testify to the fact that Chuck's system INCREASES safety and shortens stopping distance and there would be many of us to confirm that.
Often times there is too much fear of what we used to call a "straw man"(which is what might happen in the worse case scenairo) which in 99.99% of the cases never happens.
Bob Miller
White Bear Lake,MN
78 Caddy powered
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| Re: [GMCnet] rear brake torque reaction system [message #87714 is a reply to message #87709] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 19:53 |
emerystora
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On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
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> Emery,
> I understand and respect what you are saying however having done quite a bit of expert witness work and having a coach with 6 wheel disk brakes where the rears lock up and skid in a fast stop, I am quite confident that we could put an expert witness on the stand who could testify to the fact that Chuck's system INCREASES safety and shortens stopping distance and there would be many of us to confirm that.
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> Often times there is too much fear of what we used to call a "straw man"(which is what might happen in the worse case scenairo) which in 99.99% of the cases never happens.
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> Bob Miller
> White Bear Lake,MN
> 78 Caddy powered
Yes, and you should also expect that the plaintiffs attorney will put their two or three "expert witnesses" on the stand as well and point out that GM put a system on the 10000 or so motorhomes that they produced that worked fine. I am just trying to point out that logic doesn't always prevail in lawsuits.
Many cases are down to which "experts" the jury believes the most.
I hope that everyone doesn't think that I am against Chuck's system. I would not have any problem putting Chuck's braking system on my own coach. I would just not expect to necessarily win a case if I have an accident and am sued. That is why I carry $500,000 liability on my GMC and I have another $2,000,000 umbrella liability policy in the event that I need it. With today's lawsuit climate even that might not be enough if someone is killed in an accident.
I already run that risk with my modified disk brake system on the rear wheels.
People should just not think that having DOT certification on a system will protect you from a lawsuit.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] rear brake torque reaction system [message #87729 is a reply to message #87718] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 22:40 |
jimk
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Location: Belmont, CA
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I'm aware of all these Legal Beagle tactics and if I had brains, I
should not be involved with these options.
We are not going to back off on accessory that are built to function
safely and reliably as the original.
I might have inherited a Yellow skin, but it does not represent me or
the outfit we represent.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Ken Coit <ktcoit@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Does your insurance policy have a rider that accepts that you have modified
> GMC's 1970s adequate system? Who is your insurance with?
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> If Chuck's system breaks, the system reverts to the GM design. That sounds
> like a good opposing position in a courtroom.
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> If the original GM system breaks, the owner will be negligent for poor
> maintenance.
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> I think you are making a case for not driving antiques.
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> Ken
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> Parfait Royale
> 1978 Royale Rear Bath, 403, 3.07
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| Re: [GMCnet] rear brake torque reaction system [message #87731 is a reply to message #87729] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 23:02 |
Ken Henderson
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If we don't have more people willing to take that stance, standing up
for what's logical and sensible instead of what the lawyers dictate,
our country, and society in general, is SUNK.
We've got to somehow regain control of our lives.
JMHO,
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm aware of all these Legal Beagle tactics and if I had brains, I
> should not be involved with these options.
> We are not going to back off on accessory that are built to function
> safely and reliably as the original.
> I might have inherited a Yellow skin, but it does not represent me or
> the outfit we represent.
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76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] rear brake torque reaction system [message #87733 is a reply to message #87714] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 23:06 |
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ljdavick
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Hmmm, seems to me that good brakes could be the best defense. No crash, no lawsuit!
I've loved reading these threads about the improvement to the brakes. We don't hesitate to replace a transmission, engine, or tire when they fail. Heck, the worst case with one of those failures is that we're stuck on the side of the road and looking forward to big $$ tow bills. A brake "failure" is a little different. It need not be peddle to the floor no slowing. It's more likely to be insufficient braking for the immediate need. The worst case? Crash. Sirens. Hospitals. Worse?
My brakes were just redone by Tom Hampton and I'm not rich. But this big ticket fix is now higher on my list than 16" wheels and comfortable tires.
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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> On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
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>> Emery,
>> I understand and respect what you are saying however having done quite a bit of expert witness work and having a coach with 6 wheel disk brakes where the rears lock up and skid in a fast stop, I am quite confident that we could put an expert witness on the stand who could testify to the fact that Chuck's system INCREASES safety and shortens stopping distance and there would be many of us to confirm that.
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>> Often times there is too much fear of what we used to call a "straw man"(which is what might happen in the worse case scenairo) which in 99.99% of the cases never happens.
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>> --
>> Bob Miller
>> White Bear Lake,MN
>> 78 Caddy powered
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> Yes, and you should also expect that the plaintiffs attorney will put their two or three "expert witnesses" on the stand as well and point out that GM put a system on the 10000 or so motorhomes that they produced that worked fine. I am just trying to point out that logic doesn't always prevail in lawsuits.
>
> Many cases are down to which "experts" the jury believes the most.
>
> I hope that everyone doesn't think that I am against Chuck's system. I would not have any problem putting Chuck's braking system on my own coach. I would just not expect to necessarily win a case if I have an accident and am sued. That is why I carry $500,000 liability on my GMC and I have another $2,000,000 umbrella liability policy in the event that I need it. With today's lawsuit climate even that might not be enough if someone is killed in an accident.
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> I already run that risk with my modified disk brake system on the rear wheels.
>
> People should just not think that having DOT certification on a system will protect you from a lawsuit.
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> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
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A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
Howell EFI + EBL + Electronic Dizzy
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