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| PertoniX Xplosion [message #84900] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 05:45  |
g.winger
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Hello all, went to work on my bad tach, lifted off the aircleaner and felt something odd like oil on the botom of the air cleaner. Puddle inbetween two of the runners. Hmmmmm,,,Not another leak, but on top of the motor!!!. Really odd and then I noticed the top of the Pertronix coil{can type} was cocked at about a 20 degree angle and split around the top 1/2 of the can. Thought I might have left the ignition on,nope its off but that was what I was doing last. Must have missed the sound of it going when I was out side working on something else while the ignition was on. Have left probably every vehicle I,ve owned on at one time or another and never had this happen. Anyone else???PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] PertoniX Xplosion [message #84905 is a reply to message #84900] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 07:27  |
Ken Henderson
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Paul,
I've never heard of that happening, but I do know that the Pertronix
ignition module instructions have very explicit instructions about not
leaving the ignition on without the engine running. That, of course, is to
protect the module, not the coil, but I can imagine that their "hotter"
coils probably have lower resistance and more tendency to overheat that an
OEM one. Do you have HEI or a Pertronix module?
In case anyone's worried about their Onan Pertronix mod, don't be: The
Onan's ignition cannot be left on (barring a malfunction somewhere) when the
engine's not running.
Ken H.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Paul Leavitt <leavittpaul@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello all, went to work on my bad tach, lifted off the aircleaner and felt
> something odd like oil on the botom of the air cleaner. Puddle inbetween two
> of the runners. Hmmmmm,,,Not another leak, but on top of the motor!!!.
> Really odd and then I noticed the top of the Pertronix coil{can type} was
> cocked at about a 20 degree angle and split around the top 1/2 of the can.
> Thought I might have left the ignition on,nope its off but that was what I
> was doing last. Must have missed the sound of it going when I was out side
> working on something else while the ignition was on. Have left probably
> every vehicle I,ve owned on at one time or another and never had this
> happen. Anyone else???PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] PertoniX Xplosion [message #84908 is a reply to message #84900] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 07:49 |
Steven Ferguson
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Your self healing coil is oil filled and somehow yours split. I have
never heard of this happening but when you get it off, see if it has
spent some time rubbing against something that could have worn through
the housing.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Paul Leavitt <leavittpaul@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello all, went to work on my bad tach, lifted off the aircleaner and felt something odd like oil on the botom of the air cleaner. Puddle inbetween two of the runners. Hmmmmm,,,Not another leak, but on top of the motor!!!. Really odd and then I noticed the top of the Pertronix coil{can type} was cocked at about a 20 degree angle and split around the top 1/2 of the can. Thought I might have left the ignition on,nope its off but that was what I was doing last. Must have missed the sound of it going when I was out side working on something else while the ignition was on. Have left probably every vehicle I,ve owned on at one time or another and never had this happen. Anyone else???PL
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| Re: PertoniX Xplosion [message #84917 is a reply to message #84900] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 08:25 |
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Matt Colie
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| g.winger wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 06:45 |
Hello all, went to work on my bad tach, lifted off the aircleaner and felt something odd like oil on the botom of the air cleaner. Puddle in between two of the runners. Hmmmmm,,,Not another leak, but on top of the motor!!!. Really odd and then I noticed the top of the Pertronix coil{can type} was cocked at about a 20 degree angle and split around the top 1/2 of the can. Thought I might have left the ignition on,nope its off but that was what I was doing last. Must have missed the sound of it going when I was out side working on something else while the ignition was on. Have left probably every vehicle I,ve owned on at one time or another and never had this happen. Anyone else???PL
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I have, but it was so long ago that it is hard to reference. Before electronic ignition - particularly capacitive discharge - racers were always fighting for a hotter spark at high crankshaft speeds and among the many things done were high current and high ratio coils. These provided great spark, but could finish off a set of points in short order. They also would explode if left powered with the points closed. Then came the new oil for the purpose that made it so the coils would not explode even if they got hot enough to cook anything nearby (I don't know what they painted the coil with). This new oil was non-flammable and had a very low vapor pressure.
That new oil used in all manner of things was Poly-Chlorinated-Biphenyl (PCB).
My guess would be that there is no PCB in the coil, but problems associated with older materials are being re-learned.
I suggest you contact Pertronix and see what they have to say about it. They may want the coil back for study.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: PertoniX Xplosion [message #84936 is a reply to message #84900] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 10:33 |
g.winger
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Brand new coil. Mounted in the original caddy mount on a 2115 Edle. with the crossover blocked. While breakin in the shop with 125 degree temp on the manifold I noticed the coil was very,very warm. Compaired to the intake. Mounted on the two "Pads" thats for coils. 150 degrees. When it blew the engine was cold. I had left the ignition on and was pumping up the bags or something. No wear. Mounted in a "skeleton" factory type mount. Pertronix conversion by Dick P.
What do I do if I start it in cool weather, warm it up for a trip, go in the house and it dies,,,,,Kaboom?? It blew oil all over the botton 1/4 of the air cleaner.PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] PertoniX Xplosion [message #84940 is a reply to message #84908] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 10:44 |
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hnielsen2
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We had this happen on our Durango.
The coil caught on fire and split open.
The plug gap was to large is what I was told at the time.
Dodge called for the plugs to be change out at 100,000 miles we had around
35,000 miles on the plugs.
Howard
Alpine CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PertoniX Xplosion
> Your self healing coil is oil filled and somehow yours split. I have
> never heard of this happening but when you get it off, see if it has
> spent some time rubbing against something that could have worn through
> the housing.
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> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Paul Leavitt <leavittpaul@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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>> Hello all, went to work on my bad tach, lifted off the aircleaner and
>> felt something odd like oil on the botom of the air cleaner. Puddle
>> inbetween two of the runners. Hmmmmm,,,Not another leak, but on top of
>> the motor!!!. Really odd and then I noticed the top of the Pertronix
>> coil{can type} was cocked at about a 20 degree angle and split around the
>> top 1/2 of the can. Thought I might have left the ignition on,nope its
>> off but that was what I was doing last. Must have missed the sound of it
>> going when I was out side working on something else while the ignition
>> was on. Have left probably every vehicle I,ve owned on at one time or
>> another and never had this happen. Anyone else???PL
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> List Information and Subscription Options:
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> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
> Urethane bushing source
> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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| Re: [GMCnet] PertoniX Xplosion [message #84942 is a reply to message #84908] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 11:00 |
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hnielsen2
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Could be plug gap?
We had this happen on our 98 Durango.
The coil split open and started a small fire.
I was told at the time the plug gap was to large.
We still had the plugs from the factory in the engine.
Dodge said the plugs would be good for 100,000 miles.
We had around 35,000 miles on the engine at that time.
Howard
Alpine CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PertoniX Xplosion
> Your self healing coil is oil filled and somehow yours split. I have
> never heard of this happening but when you get it off, see if it has
> spent some time rubbing against something that could have worn through
> the housing.
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Paul Leavitt <leavittpaul@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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>> Hello all, went to work on my bad tach, lifted off the aircleaner and
>> felt something odd like oil on the botom of the air cleaner. Puddle
>> inbetween two of the runners. Hmmmmm,,,Not another leak, but on top of
>> the motor!!!. Really odd and then I noticed the top of the Pertronix
>> coil{can type} was cocked at about a 20 degree angle and split around the
>> top 1/2 of the can. Thought I might have left the ignition on,nope its
>> off but that was what I was doing last. Must have missed the sound of it
>> going when I was out side working on something else while the ignition
>> was on. Have left probably every vehicle I,ve owned on at one time or
>> another and never had this happen. Anyone else???PL
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> List Information and Subscription Options:
>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
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> Steve Ferguson
> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
> Urethane bushing source
> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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