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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84131 is a reply to message #84100] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 19:23   |
Steven Ferguson
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Stan,
You are welcome. It was a pleasure to meet you and your bride.
Thanks for posting your trip home on the net. It sure sounds like the
little stuff doesn't have a chance in heck to get you down.
We look forward to seeing you at a GMCWS rally in the future.
Don't hesitate to holler if you have any questions.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Relf, Stan <Stan.Relf@lsi.com> wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> We made it home yesterday. It was an interesting trip, just a little over 1,000 miles.
>
> I didn't go back to Tucson until Saturday morning. We started out of town facing the sun and I couldn't see anything. I cleaned the windshield but what ever is on it would not come off. I got some window compound but without a buffer, it didn't work, so we got a motel room for the night.
>
> Saturday morning we drove to Tucson and returned the car and forgot about going to Phoenix and we drove to Las Cruces. The GMC was running great but the steering was bad. I had 16 wheelers passing me about every mile. Then I had a big-box RV come by and about blew me off the road. I was doing about 65 but the high winds and then no wind got the coach going out of control. I thought it was going to get side ways but we slowed it down after that. I had to drive it between 55 and 60 to keep it under control. So, #1 on the list is fix the steering. Maybe that is why 55 on the speedo is a different color.
>
> We got to Las Cruces and went to Wall-Mart to get so stuff for the night. I left the lights on and the battery ran down. I got a jump and got to the KOA for the night. I plug-in the AC and the overhead air worked find. I connected the water holes you gave me and it worked great. But, my wife start yelling turn it off. Water was shooting out of a bad connection under the sink. The water got on something hot and then we had steam coming out of the cabinets. So, I didn't try and use the great water holes you gave me again.
>
> The next morning I went back to Wall-Mark to buy a new battery because I was not happy how it started the coach. Got a new 875 cranking amp battery and went to put it in and the battery cables were not tight. I just picked them up off the battery. (not good)
>
> The radio did not work and the aux plug in did not work. I found the blown fusses and replaced them. Since the dash air didn't work that good I got an oscillating fan and clipped it on the sun visor to help deal with the heat.
>
> Sunday we drove up to Santa Fe and spend the night. The oil was down about 1/2 a quart went I got the RV so I put 1/2 quart in and added some Z-Max to the oil and gas. It didn't use any oil the whole trip. The only engine problem I had was of my own doing. The cruse control worked but when I would engage it, it would suck the gas paddle to the floor and want to take you faster than I wanted to go. So, I engaged it and this happened and I disengaged it and got a little spit back through the carb. Otherwise, it and the tranny worked okay.
>
> Out of Santa Fe the wind was killing me. There were wind dust up to 60 mph.
> I just slowed down and we made it okay. My next big challenge was getting over Raton pass coming into Colorado (7838 feet). We made at doing about 30-35 mph but we made it. It didn't die on me. I have had old cars quit on me on mountain passes and would have to cost them back down the mountain or advance the distributor to get them to run. I live at 6500 so I going to tune the engine and carb for high altitude driving.
>
> The main thing right now is, it got me home without any major problems and that is what I wanted. Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I am going fishing.
>
> Steve I want to thank you for all of the help. There was not mental overload. I appreciate you telling me how to set the ride height that really helped. I am a newbee to the GMC and I got a lot to learn.
>
> Right now I need to shut this off and get back to work.
>
> Thanks again.
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Ferguson
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 6:11 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
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> They're pretty tuckered. The follks selling the RV never thought
> about picking them up at the airport so they flew in, rented a car,
> went to HF to pick up a set of GP hand tools, then drove out to buy
> the coach, do the paper work, get the new tires installed, drive back
> to the airport to drop off the rent a dent, then head home to Co.
> Springs. Had I known this, I would have driven to the airport and
> picked them up. That's a 120 mile round trip from here and a hard way
> to start a journey in the opposite direction. Especially in something
> you've never driven before. I gave them as much info as I could
> without going into overload so if they keep an eye on the miles and
> gas situation, they'll be ok.
> But still, they both seemed quite pleased and undaunted. They have
> a long trip across the desert today and I don't envy them as the dash
> AC is typical for a n unmodified '76.
> Nice folks and I bet them make it to the upcoming GMCWS rall rally in
> Las Vegas.
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> That's great! Hopefully they will have an uneventful trip!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Ferguson
>> Sent: Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:20 AM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>>
>> Stan and his bride Pat just left the tire shop and are off in their
>> first adventure in the GMC. Their fist trip will be back to Colorado
>> Springs. Very nice couple and they will be a welcome addition to the
>> GMC family. I think they will be hotelling it as the coach is not
>> really equipped for living in as it presently is.
>>
>> --
>> Steve Ferguson
>> '76 EII
>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>> Urethane bushing source
>> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84138 is a reply to message #84100] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 20:42 |
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Stan,
Assuming that you got a stack of receipts for work done on the GMC I would
suggest you get a copy of the Parts Book and make copies of pages:
1) 16-2 and 16-3 Linkage - Steering (Includes Component Parts)
2) 1-10 and 1-11 Suspension - Front
3) 19-4 and 19-5 Hub - Front Brake (Includes Disc)
4) 1-8 Shaft - Front Axle Drive
Annotate the pages above with any info vis-ŕ-vis what was done and when it
was done (date & mileage). When you've finished that you'll have a picture
of what you've got.
Personally I would bite the bullet and tear the front suspension, steering,
and front axles all apart in one shot and rebuild the lot. It won't be cheap
BUT once you're done, you're done!
Welcome to the GMC nutters er netters! ;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Relf, Stan
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 6:27 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to
take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I
am going fishing.
Thanks again.
Stan
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84140 is a reply to message #84100] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 20:56 |
Dennis S
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Stan,
Congratulations on a successfull trip home...
Take your time in determining the handling problem. Lot's of people seem to throw money at parts before really identifying the symptoms and making a plan. You didn't mention play in the steering wheel -- so you may have more height adjustment and tire pressure issues than front end part issues.
Again -- congratulations. As much as we enjoy spell-binding stories of "foam the runway, we're coming in" -- it is more comforting to know you had a safe trip.
Dennis
| Stan.Relf wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 15:26 |
Hello Steve,
We made it home yesterday. It was an interesting trip, just a little over 1,000 miles.
I didn't go back to Tucson until Saturday morning. We started out of town facing the sun and I couldn't see anything. I cleaned the windshield but what ever is on it would not come off. I got some window compound but without a buffer, it didn't work, so we got a motel room for the night.
Saturday morning we drove to Tucson and returned the car and forgot about going to Phoenix and we drove to Las Cruces. The GMC was running great but the steering was bad. I had 16 wheelers passing me about every mile. Then I had a big-box RV come by and about blew me off the road. I was doing about 65 but the high winds and then no wind got the coach going out of control. I thought it was going to get side ways but we slowed it down after that. I had to drive it between 55 and 60 to keep it under control. So, #1 on the list is fix the steering. Maybe that is why 55 on the speedo is a different color.
We got to Las Cruces and went to Wall-Mart to get so stuff for the night. I left the lights on and the battery ran down. I got a jump and got to the KOA for the night. I plug-in the AC and the overhead air worked find. I connected the water holes you gave me and it worked great. But, my wife start yelling turn it off. Water was shooting out of a bad connection under the sink. The water got on something hot and then we had steam coming out of the cabinets. So, I didn't try and use the great water holes you gave me again.
The next morning I went back to Wall-Mark to buy a new battery because I was not happy how it started the coach. Got a new 875 cranking amp battery and went to put it in and the battery cables were not tight. I just picked them up off the battery. (not good)
The radio did not work and the aux plug in did not work. I found the blown fusses and replaced them. Since the dash air didn't work that good I got an oscillating fan and clipped it on the sun visor to help deal with the heat.
Sunday we drove up to Santa Fe and spend the night. The oil was down about 1/2 a quart went I got the RV so I put 1/2 quart in and added some Z-Max to the oil and gas. It didn't use any oil the whole trip. The only engine problem I had was of my own doing. The cruse control worked but when I would engage it, it would suck the gas paddle to the floor and want to take you faster than I wanted to go. So, I engaged it and this happened and I disengaged it and got a little spit back through the carb. Otherwise, it and the tranny worked okay.
Out of Santa Fe the wind was killing me. There were wind dust up to 60 mph.
I just slowed down and we made it okay. My next big challenge was getting over Raton pass coming into Colorado (7838 feet). We made at doing about 30-35 mph but we made it. It didn't die on me. I have had old cars quit on me on mountain passes and would have to cost them back down the mountain or advance the distributor to get them to run. I live at 6500 so I going to tune the engine and carb for high altitude driving.
The main thing right now is, it got me home without any major problems and that is what I wanted. Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I am going fishing.
Steve I want to thank you for all of the help. There was not mental overload. I appreciate you telling me how to set the ride height that really helped. I am a newbee to the GMC and I got a lot to learn.
Right now I need to shut this off and get back to work.
Thanks again.
Stan
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73 Painted Desert 230
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84146 is a reply to message #84138] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 21:30 |
Stan.Relf
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Hi Rob,
Yes, I got a box of books and some receipts.
I going to build a spreadsheet with what I have.
I did get GMC Motorhome Parts Book and I have looked at the pages you referenced below. I think you are right, I need to take the whole front-end off and rebuilt all of it. This way I will know what I have. I am going to put a steering stabilizer on the front-end also. I have put them on some Jeeps I have had and they work.
Thanks for the input.
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:42 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
Stan,
Assuming that you got a stack of receipts for work done on the GMC I would
suggest you get a copy of the Parts Book and make copies of pages:
1) 16-2 and 16-3 Linkage - Steering (Includes Component Parts)
2) 1-10 and 1-11 Suspension - Front
3) 19-4 and 19-5 Hub - Front Brake (Includes Disc)
4) 1-8 Shaft - Front Axle Drive
Annotate the pages above with any info vis-ŕ-vis what was done and when it
was done (date & mileage). When you've finished that you'll have a picture
of what you've got.
Personally I would bite the bullet and tear the front suspension, steering,
and front axles all apart in one shot and rebuild the lot. It won't be cheap
BUT once you're done, you're done!
Welcome to the GMC nutters er netters! ;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Relf, Stan
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 6:27 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to
take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I
am going fishing.
Thanks again.
Stan
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84147 is a reply to message #84140] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 21:37 |
Stan.Relf
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Thank you Dennis -- Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Sexton
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:57 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
Stan,
Congratulations on a successfull trip home...
Take your time in determining the handling problem. Lot's of people seem to throw money at parts before really identifying the symptoms and making a plan. You didn't mention play in the steering wheel -- so you may have more height adjustment and tire pressure issues than front end part issues.
Again -- congratulations. As much as we enjoy spell-binding stories of "foam the runway, we're coming in" -- it is more comforting to know you had a safe trip.
Dennis
Stan.Relf wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 15:26
> Hello Steve,
>
> We made it home yesterday. It was an interesting trip, just a little over 1,000 miles.
>
> I didn't go back to Tucson until Saturday morning. We started out of town facing the sun and I couldn't see anything. I cleaned the windshield but what ever is on it would not come off. I got some window compound but without a buffer, it didn't work, so we got a motel room for the night.
>
> Saturday morning we drove to Tucson and returned the car and forgot about going to Phoenix and we drove to Las Cruces. The GMC was running great but the steering was bad. I had 16 wheelers passing me about every mile. Then I had a big-box RV come by and about blew me off the road. I was doing about 65 but the high winds and then no wind got the coach going out of control. I thought it was going to get side ways but we slowed it down after that. I had to drive it between 55 and 60 to keep it under control. So, #1 on the list is fix the steering. Maybe that is why 55 on the speedo is a different color.
>
> We got to Las Cruces and went to Wall-Mart to get so stuff for the night. I left the lights on and the battery ran down. I got a jump and got to the KOA for the night. I plug-in the AC and the overhead air worked find. I connected the water holes you gave me and it worked great. But, my wife start yelling turn it off. Water was shooting out of a bad connection under the sink. The water got on something hot and then we had steam coming out of the cabinets. So, I didn't try and use the great water holes you gave me again.
>
> The next morning I went back to Wall-Mark to buy a new battery because I was not happy how it started the coach. Got a new 875 cranking amp battery and went to put it in and the battery cables were not tight. I just picked them up off the battery. (not good)
>
> The radio did not work and the aux plug in did not work. I found the blown fusses and replaced them. Since the dash air didn't work that good I got an oscillating fan and clipped it on the sun visor to help deal with the heat.
>
> Sunday we drove up to Santa Fe and spend the night. The oil was down about 1/2 a quart went I got the RV so I put 1/2 quart in and added some Z-Max to the oil and gas. It didn't use any oil the whole trip. The only engine problem I had was of my own doing. The cruse control worked but when I would engage it, it would suck the gas paddle to the floor and want to take you faster than I wanted to go. So, I engaged it and this happened and I disengaged it and got a little spit back through the carb. Otherwise, it and the tranny worked okay.
>
> Out of Santa Fe the wind was killing me. There were wind dust up to 60 mph.
> I just slowed down and we made it okay. My next big challenge was getting over Raton pass coming into Colorado (7838 feet). We made at doing about 30-35 mph but we made it. It didn't die on me. I have had old cars quit on me on mountain passes and would have to cost them back down the mountain or advance the distributor to get them to run. I live at 6500 so I going to tune the engine and carb for high altitude driving.
>
> The main thing right now is, it got me home without any major problems and that is what I wanted. Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I am going fishing.
>
> Steve I want to thank you for all of the help. There was not mental overload. I appreciate you telling me how to set the ride height that really helped. I am a newbee to the GMC and I got a lot to learn.
>
> Right now I need to shut this off and get back to work.
>
> Thanks again.
> Stan
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73 Painted Desert 230
Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84149 is a reply to message #84100] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 21:39 |
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You were driving 65 on your first outing in the coach? Wow. Brave man.
Ours shook so bad we couldn't stand it so we stayed under 60 - got better
mileage, too.
If you're steering shaft it loose, check where. There's a part that's made
by Spicer that's in limited supply. Of course, there are so many points the
check with regard to steering. I agree, check each element and make changes
where needed.
On other thing I wouldn't have done unless I had checked all the plumbing
would be to hook up to city water and put more pressure to it than a pump
would put out. Even at that, I'm cautious to put much pressure on the
plumbing. Ask me why.
Welcome to the society of GMC friends.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Relf, Stan wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> We made it home yesterday. It was an interesting trip, just a little over
> 1,000 miles.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84150 is a reply to message #84146] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 21:39 |
Ken Henderson
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Stan,
Let me know when you're ready for the stabilizer -- assuming you mean the
self-centering type rather than the shock damper which the GMC has as OEM.
I'm pretty sure I've still got the barely used one I removed from my coach.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Relf, Stan <Stan.Relf@lsi.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Yes, I got a box of books and some receipts.
> I going to build a spreadsheet with what I have.
> I did get GMC Motorhome Parts Book and I have looked at the pages you
> referenced below. I think you are right, I need to take the whole front-end
> off and rebuilt all of it. This way I will know what I have. I am going to
> put a steering stabilizer on the front-end also. I have put them on some
> Jeeps I have had and they work.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Mueller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:42 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>
> Stan,
>
> Assuming that you got a stack of receipts for work done on the GMC I would
> suggest you get a copy of the Parts Book and make copies of pages:
>
> 1) 16-2 and 16-3 Linkage - Steering (Includes Component Parts)
> 2) 1-10 and 1-11 Suspension - Front
> 3) 19-4 and 19-5 Hub - Front Brake (Includes Disc)
> 4) 1-8 Shaft - Front Axle Drive
>
> Annotate the pages above with any info vis-ŕ-vis what was done and when it
> was done (date & mileage). When you've finished that you'll have a picture
> of what you've got.
>
> Personally I would bite the bullet and tear the front suspension, steering,
> and front axles all apart in one shot and rebuild the lot. It won't be
> cheap
> BUT once you're done, you're done!
>
> Welcome to the GMC nutters er netters! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Relf, Stan
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 6:27 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>
> Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to
> take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I
> am going fishing.
>
> Thanks again.
> Stan
>
>
>
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76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84165 is a reply to message #84146] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 05:18 |
Steven Ferguson
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Stan,
You will find that those steering stabilizers do more damage than
good on a GMC. I assume you are referring to the Steer Safe units
that are installed on so many other types of RVs. Your steering
issues can be cured whithout hanging that "kludge" on your front end.
I seem to recall that when I checked out the GMC here in AZ that it
had rivited (factory) ball joints. The good thing about that is no
one has installed new ball joints incorrectly. The bad thing is that
for sure they are worn out and so are the bushings. Check those out
and see if I'm correct in that they are rivited in place. If so, the
first place I'd start is there. I also believe I saw a receipt from
Cinnabar for front bearing replacement.
Do a careful inspection and see what you have first. I just hate to
see anyone hang one of those Steer Safe things on a GMC.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Relf, Stan <Stan.Relf@lsi.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Yes, I got a box of books and some receipts.
> I going to build a spreadsheet with what I have.
> I did get GMC Motorhome Parts Book and I have looked at the pages you referenced below. I think you are right, I need to take the whole front-end off and rebuilt all of it. This way I will know what I have. I am going to put a steering stabilizer on the front-end also. I have put them on some Jeeps I have had and they work.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Mueller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:42 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>
> Stan,
>
> Assuming that you got a stack of receipts for work done on the GMC I would
> suggest you get a copy of the Parts Book and make copies of pages:
>
> 1) 16-2 and 16-3 Linkage - Steering (Includes Component Parts)
> 2) 1-10 and 1-11 Suspension - Front
> 3) 19-4 and 19-5 Hub - Front Brake (Includes Disc)
> 4) 1-8 Shaft - Front Axle Drive
>
> Annotate the pages above with any info vis-ŕ-vis what was done and when it
> was done (date & mileage). When you've finished that you'll have a picture
> of what you've got.
>
> Personally I would bite the bullet and tear the front suspension, steering,
> and front axles all apart in one shot and rebuild the lot. It won't be cheap
> BUT once you're done, you're done!
>
> Welcome to the GMC nutters er netters! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Relf, Stan
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 6:27 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>
> Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to
> take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I
> am going fishing.
>
> Thanks again.
> Stan
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84170 is a reply to message #84165] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 06:16 |
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Aren't "SteerSafe" stabilizers generally designed to be
used with I-Beam (solid, non-independent) truck front axles?
* Mac Macdonald *
* Oklahoma City *
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 03:18:53 -0700
From: botiemad11@gmail.com
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
Stan,
You will find that those steering stabilizers do more damage than
good on a GMC. I assume you are referring to the Steer Safe units
that are installed on so many other types of RVs. Your steering
issues can be cured whithout hanging that "kludge" on your front end.
I seem to recall that when I checked out the GMC here in AZ that it
had rivited (factory) ball joints. The good thing about that is no
one has installed new ball joints incorrectly. The bad thing is that
for sure they are worn out and so are the bushings. Check those out
and see if I'm correct in that they are rivited in place. If so, the
first place I'd start is there. I also believe I saw a receipt from
Cinnabar for front bearing replacement.
Do a careful inspection and see what you have first. I just hate to
see anyone hang one of those Steer Safe things on a GMC.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Relf, Stan <Stan.Relf@lsi.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
Yes, I got a box of books and some receipts.
I going to build a spreadsheet with what I have.
I did get GMC Motorhome Parts Book and I have looked at
the pages you referenced below. I think you are right,
I need to take the whole front-end off and rebuilt all
of it. This way I will know what I have. I am going to
put a steering stabilizer on the front-end also. I have
put them on some Jeeps I have had and they work.
Thanks for the input.
Stan
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84172 is a reply to message #84140] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 06:40 |
Oldngray
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I have reported here about how my Coach seemed to wander and that I had to stay on top of it all of the time. The big trucks would move me out of my lane unless I really hung on. It was very tiring to drive 250 miles.
Alex Sirum weighed my Coach at the Calhoun Rally, the difference between the right and left fronts was 250 plus, the right front to left rear was 600 lbs while the left front to right rear was about 50. Not very equal. He suggested that I should have the suspension adjusted. (not those words)
Yesterday I took the Coach to Jeff Sirum and he did just that, leveled the rears, adjusted the Torsion Bars in less than 2 hours.The ride home was in a different vehicle. Trucks did not bother me and it was easy steering.
Just what happened to me, did not have to buy any parts.
| Dennis Sexton wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 21:56 |
Stan,
Congratulations on a successfull trip home...
Take your time in determining the handling problem. Lot's of people seem to throw money at parts before really identifying the symptoms and making a plan. You didn't mention play in the steering wheel -- so you may have more height adjustment and tire pressure issues than front end part issues.
Again -- congratulations. As much as we enjoy spell-binding stories of "foam the runway, we're coming in" -- it is more comforting to know you had a safe trip.
Dennis
| Stan.Relf wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 15:26 |
Hello Steve,
We made it home yesterday. It was an interesting trip, just a little over 1,000 miles.
I didn't go back to Tucson until Saturday morning. We started out of town facing the sun and I couldn't see anything. I cleaned the windshield but what ever is on it would not come off. I got some window compound but without a buffer, it didn't work, so we got a motel room for the night.
Saturday morning we drove to Tucson and returned the car and forgot about going to Phoenix and we drove to Las Cruces. The GMC was running great but the steering was bad. I had 16 wheelers passing me about every mile. Then I had a big-box RV come by and about blew me off the road. I was doing about 65 but the high winds and then no wind got the coach going out of control. I thought it was going to get side ways but we slowed it down after that. I had to drive it between 55 and 60 to keep it under control. So, #1 on the list is fix the steering. Maybe that is why 55 on the speedo is a different color.
We got to Las Cruces and went to Wall-Mart to get so stuff for the night. I left the lights on and the battery ran down. I got a jump and got to the KOA for the night. I plug-in the AC and the overhead air worked find. I connected the water holes you gave me and it worked great. But, my wife start yelling turn it off. Water was shooting out of a bad connection under the sink. The water got on something hot and then we had steam coming out of the cabinets. So, I didn't try and use the great water holes you gave me again.
The next morning I went back to Wall-Mark to buy a new battery because I was not happy how it started the coach. Got a new 875 cranking amp battery and went to put it in and the battery cables were not tight. I just picked them up off the battery. (not good)
The radio did not work and the aux plug in did not work. I found the blown fusses and replaced them. Since the dash air didn't work that good I got an oscillating fan and clipped it on the sun visor to help deal with the heat.
Sunday we drove up to Santa Fe and spend the night. The oil was down about 1/2 a quart went I got the RV so I put 1/2 quart in and added some Z-Max to the oil and gas. It didn't use any oil the whole trip. The only engine problem I had was of my own doing. The cruse control worked but when I would engage it, it would suck the gas paddle to the floor and want to take you faster than I wanted to go. So, I engaged it and this happened and I disengaged it and got a little spit back through the carb. Otherwise, it and the tranny worked okay.
Out of Santa Fe the wind was killing me. There were wind dust up to 60 mph.
I just slowed down and we made it okay. My next big challenge was getting over Raton pass coming into Colorado (7838 feet). We made at doing about 30-35 mph but we made it. It didn't die on me. I have had old cars quit on me on mountain passes and would have to cost them back down the mountain or advance the distributor to get them to run. I live at 6500 so I going to tune the engine and carb for high altitude driving.
The main thing right now is, it got me home without any major problems and that is what I wanted. Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I am going fishing.
Steve I want to thank you for all of the help. There was not mental overload. I appreciate you telling me how to set the ride height that really helped. I am a newbee to the GMC and I got a lot to learn.
Right now I need to shut this off and get back to work.
Thanks again.
Stan
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84178 is a reply to message #84155] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 07:40 |
Ken Henderson
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Stan,
I didn't dwell on it earlier, but my dislike of the self-centering
stabilizers is fundamental and severe; here's why:
They're basically spring loaded to center. You must adjust them so that
they hold the steering straight ahead on a stretch of road. If that's a
perfectly flat road (no crown), they'll hold the steering straight on that
and other perfectly flat roads. But when you get on a road with a crown,
where you need to hold a little steering bias to go straight ahead, you're
fighting not only the crown, but those self-centering springs.
If you adjust the stabilizer on a crowned road, then you'll fight the
springs on a flat road.
Same with side winds -- the springs give you more than just the wind to
fight.
There being no two roads exactly alike, the springs can never be adjusted
exactly right for more than momentary conditions.
IMHO, it's a fundamentally flawed concept.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Hal Kading <halkading@fastwave.biz> wrote:
>
>
> Stan,
>
> Congratulations on getting the GMC. Sometimes frustrating, always
> interesting and fun.
>
> I, like Ken H., have a steering stabilizer for sale cheap. Suggest you
> check with Jim Bounds before you spend money on one.
>
> Next time you come through Las Cruces give us a call. We always enjoy
> talking GMC's.
>
> Hal Kading 77 Kingsley 455 Las Cruces NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84180 is a reply to message #84178] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 07:53 |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 05:40 |
They're basically spring loaded to center. You must adjust them so that
they hold the steering straight ahead on a stretch of road. If that's a
perfectly flat road (no crown), they'll hold the steering straight on that
and other perfectly flat roads. But when you get on a road with a crown,
where you need to hold a little steering bias to go straight ahead, you're
fighting not only the crown, but those self-centering springs.
If you adjust the stabilizer on a crowned road, then you'll fight the
springs on a flat road.
Same with side winds -- the springs give you more than just the wind to
fight.
There being no two roads exactly alike, the springs can never be adjusted
exactly right for more than momentary conditions.
IMHO, it's a fundamentally flawed concept.
|
Sounds like there is a need for an adjustable one... like trim tabs on aircraft.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84208 is a reply to message #84180] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 11:47 |
Ken Henderson
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That's the only way I can see it working. I'm not sure my thumb is still up
to continuous trimming. Maybe someone could come up with a highway
autopilot. :-)
Ken H.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 05:40
> > They're basically spring loaded to center. You must adjust them so that
> > they hold the steering straight ahead on a stretch of road. If that's a
> > perfectly flat road (no crown), they'll hold the steering straight on
> that
> > and other perfectly flat roads. But when you get on a road with a crown,
> > where you need to hold a little steering bias to go straight ahead,
> you're
> > fighting not only the crown, but those self-centering springs.
> >
> > If you adjust the stabilizer on a crowned road, then you'll fight the
> > springs on a flat road.
> >
> > Same with side winds -- the springs give you more than just the wind to
> > fight.
> >
> > There being no two roads exactly alike, the springs can never be adjusted
> > exactly right for more than momentary conditions.
> >
> > IMHO, it's a fundamentally flawed concept.
>
>
> Sounds like there is a need for an adjustable one... like trim tabs on
> aircraft.
> --
> Mike Miller
> `73 26' X Painted D.
> `78 23' Birchaven
> Hillsboro, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84209 is a reply to message #84165] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 11:51 |
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Hi Steve,
I did a check this morning on my way out and yes, it has the rivets in the upper ball joints. It looks like someone did a half way clean up under the front end and sprayed it with black paint. I say halfway because when you look at the upper ball joints you see the dirt around the top and it is painted black. So I agree with you. I need to get under the coach and checkout everything, then get a plan to rebuilt it.
Question: on lifting the front end off the ground. You said lift both sides together to prevent cracking the windshield. Can you lift it from the center with a large floor jack and then put jack stands under it?
Thanks
Stan
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:19 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
Stan,
You will find that those steering stabilizers do more damage than
good on a GMC. I assume you are referring to the Steer Safe units
that are installed on so many other types of RVs. Your steering
issues can be cured whithout hanging that "kludge" on your front end.
I seem to recall that when I checked out the GMC here in AZ that it
had rivited (factory) ball joints. The good thing about that is no
one has installed new ball joints incorrectly. The bad thing is that
for sure they are worn out and so are the bushings. Check those out
and see if I'm correct in that they are rivited in place. If so, the
first place I'd start is there. I also believe I saw a receipt from
Cinnabar for front bearing replacement.
Do a careful inspection and see what you have first. I just hate to
see anyone hang one of those Steer Safe things on a GMC.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Relf, Stan <Stan.Relf@lsi.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Yes, I got a box of books and some receipts.
> I going to build a spreadsheet with what I have.
> I did get GMC Motorhome Parts Book and I have looked at the pages you referenced below. I think you are right, I need to take the whole front-end off and rebuilt all of it. This way I will know what I have. I am going to put a steering stabilizer on the front-end also. I have put them on some Jeeps I have had and they work.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Mueller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:42 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>
> Stan,
>
> Assuming that you got a stack of receipts for work done on the GMC I would
> suggest you get a copy of the Parts Book and make copies of pages:
>
> 1) 16-2 and 16-3 Linkage - Steering (Includes Component Parts)
> 2) 1-10 and 1-11 Suspension - Front
> 3) 19-4 and 19-5 Hub - Front Brake (Includes Disc)
> 4) 1-8 Shaft - Front Axle Drive
>
> Annotate the pages above with any info vis-ŕ-vis what was done and when it
> was done (date & mileage). When you've finished that you'll have a picture
> of what you've got.
>
> Personally I would bite the bullet and tear the front suspension, steering,
> and front axles all apart in one shot and rebuild the lot. It won't be cheap
> BUT once you're done, you're done!
>
> Welcome to the GMC nutters er netters! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Relf, Stan
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 6:27 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale
>
> Now starts all of the work to make it be the coach I want. That is going to
> take time and money. But, once I get it tuned and the steering corrected, I
> am going fishing.
>
> Thanks again.
> Stan
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84210 is a reply to message #84208] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 11:53 |
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I don't have an autopilot but I have a co-pilot and I would'nt let her drive it until I know it is save.
Stan
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:47 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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That's the only way I can see it working. I'm not sure my thumb is still up
to continuous trimming. Maybe someone could come up with a highway
autopilot. :-)
Ken H.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 05:40
> > They're basically spring loaded to center. You must adjust them so that
> > they hold the steering straight ahead on a stretch of road. If that's a
> > perfectly flat road (no crown), they'll hold the steering straight on
> that
> > and other perfectly flat roads. But when you get on a road with a crown,
> > where you need to hold a little steering bias to go straight ahead,
> you're
> > fighting not only the crown, but those self-centering springs.
> >
> > If you adjust the stabilizer on a crowned road, then you'll fight the
> > springs on a flat road.
> >
> > Same with side winds -- the springs give you more than just the wind to
> > fight.
> >
> > There being no two roads exactly alike, the springs can never be adjusted
> > exactly right for more than momentary conditions.
> >
> > IMHO, it's a fundamentally flawed concept.
>
>
> Sounds like there is a need for an adjustable one... like trim tabs on
> aircraft.
> --
> Mike Miller
> `73 26' X Painted D.
> `78 23' Birchaven
> Hillsboro, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] 1976 GMC Eleganza for sale [message #84368 is a reply to message #84209] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 09:41 |
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Stan,
Yes, lifting from the center is a good way to prevent problems. The
kid you met spent a lot of time under the coach wire brushing and
painting for his father.
I am one of two people left in the business of rebuilding the lower
and upper control arms. The uppers don't require much as they are not
load bearing. The lowers get the crap beat out of them and I
guarantee yours are worn beyond service..
Jim K. buys everything I produce so if you want a bullet proof set,
you'll have to get them from him. Your cores will be shipped to me.
Here's a link to the way you can do this yourself, or buy a complete
set from Jim K.
http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/Getting_Your_GMC_Under_Control.pdf
Plenty of other good stuff on the GMCWS web site too.
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'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
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