Home » Public Forums » GMCnet » [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
| [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84009] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 21:41  |
Marcus McGee
Messages: 112
Registered: March 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type operation.
He is looking to do some "learning" on some small parts and I thought of the headlight surrounds. He was wondering what the interest was and what a fair price would be? I tossed out between $75 and $125 for a pair if the surround was provided to him to do the work on.
Would there be 5 or 6 guys interested in trying this out? He can do straight chrome, or a colored chrome like candy colors.
He also thought that maybe the front grill would look sharp chromed in a color or a black chrome with trim.
Is this something anyone would like to have?
Marcus
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84010 is a reply to message #84009] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 21:43  |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726
Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
Karma: 9
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Marcus,
Will he be doing any plastic repair/preparation or must the objects be
pristine to start?
Ken H.
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:41 PM, <crsalert@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started
> offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type
> operation.
>
> He is looking to do some "learning" on some small parts and I thought of
> the headlight surrounds. He was wondering what the interest was and what a
> fair price would be? I tossed out between $75 and $125 for a pair if the
> surround was provided to him to do the work on.
>
> Would there be 5 or 6 guys interested in trying this out? He can do
> straight chrome, or a colored chrome like candy colors.
> He also thought that maybe the front grill would look sharp chromed in a
> color or a black chrome with trim.
>
> Is this something anyone would like to have?
>
> Marcus
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
www.gmcwipersetc.com
Large Wiring Diagrams
76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84012 is a reply to message #84010] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 21:48 |
Marcus McGee
Messages: 112
Registered: March 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Yes he will prep them and get them as smooth as possible, Do a fill and block them as best as possible. May not be perfect, but unless we start with very good fiberglass new ones it will be tough.
He said he would try some and let the owner decide if they are worth the price. If not he would take what they offered or nothing at all. I told him we were all honorable honest men. But I tend to fib also.
Marcus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Henderson" <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:43:32 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
Marcus,
Will he be doing any plastic repair/preparation or must the objects be
pristine to start?
Ken H.
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:41 PM, <crsalert@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started
> offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type
> operation.
>
> He is looking to do some "learning" on some small parts and I thought of
> the headlight surrounds. He was wondering what the interest was and what a
> fair price would be? I tossed out between $75 and $125 for a pair if the
> surround was provided to him to do the work on.
>
> Would there be 5 or 6 guys interested in trying this out? He can do
> straight chrome, or a colored chrome like candy colors.
> He also thought that maybe the front grill would look sharp chromed in a
> color or a black chrome with trim.
>
> Is this something anyone would like to have?
>
> Marcus
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84018 is a reply to message #84016] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 22:07 |
 |
USAussie
Messages: 15912
Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Karma: 6
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Gary,
I thought the Manny grill was made of Aluminum?
You could have that triple chrome plated at a good chrome plating shop in
Washington could you not?
Check with your local Harley dealer they'll probably know the name of a good
shop.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Berry
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 1:02 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
I'm interested. Will have to buy new surrounds as mine have some of
the mounting holes pulled through. What's the time frame? I also have
a Manny grill that I would like to see in a chrome color.
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:41 PM, <crsalert@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started
offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type
operation
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84019 is a reply to message #84016] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 22:07 |
Marcus McGee
Messages: 112
Registered: March 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Well we just started to talk about it, so the time frame is open at this time. It may be something that will take him 4 or 5 weeks to work into, so anyone in a "rush, gotta have it yesterday" then it is not for you at this point. I am going to have him do one of my grills in black chrome to see how it works.
He is talking about getting 50% down so he can justify the materials, and I told him that it would be probably fine if it was in the 35-40 range, He is taking a chance, and I know so are any early adopters.
He has about 8 grand invested in the machine and product so far, so you can see he is not trying to make a killing. He wants to take small steps first and make sure people like it and are willing to pay what they are worth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Berry" <duallycc@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:02:23 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
I'm interested. Will have to buy new surrounds as mine have some of
the mounting holes pulled through. What's the time frame? I also have
a Manny grill that I would like to see in a chrome color.
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:41 PM, <crsalert@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type operation
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84020 is a reply to message #84018] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 22:12 |
Marcus McGee
Messages: 112
Registered: March 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
If it is a Manny grill and Al, then a regular chrome process is better, Or get it polished and sealed.
He is talking plastic and non metal items for what he does.
Marcus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:07:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
Gary,
I thought the Manny grill was made of Aluminum?
You could have that triple chrome plated at a good chrome plating shop in
Washington could you not?
Check with your local Harley dealer they'll probably know the name of a good
shop.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Berry
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 1:02 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
I'm interested. Will have to buy new surrounds as mine have some of
the mounting holes pulled through. What's the time frame? I also have
a Manny grill that I would like to see in a chrome color.
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:41 PM, <crsalert@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started
offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type
operation
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84027 is a reply to message #84023] |
Mon, 10 May 2010 23:04 |
|
USAussie
Messages: 15912
Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Karma: 6
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Gary,
Agreed! High quality (show) chrome plating is triple chrome: copper - nickel
- chrome.
For chrome plating on aluminum to last the plater has to use a thick layer
of copper. This was especially true for the parts I used when I was building
hot rod Harleys in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is located on the South China sea
and gets lots of rain and there's a lot of salt in the air! Sound familiar
to you up in Washington?
I "trained" a plater in Escondido, CA for my aluminum parts. I explained to
him that I didn't care if he charged me extra for a "perfect" job because
shipping them back and forth cost more than what he was charging me for the
plating. He got it and in the five years I used him he never sent me a bad
piece!
There are two types of chrome plating; hexavalent and trivalent. The
trivalent process produces less pollution than the hexavalent process and a
lot of platers have switched to that process. The problem is the "color" of
the chrome is not the same. Hexavalent chrome has a blue tint and Trivalent
has a gold tint. This results in some people preferring one over the other.
Also if you mix parts on a vehicle that are done using the different
processes you can readily see the difference especially if there are two
parts chromed using the different process next to each other. The difference
stands out like dog's balls (another Aussie lesion!)
I would suggest you have a chat with Manny before you mess with your grill.
As far as going to Mexico to have them chromed I'd be real careful about
that. I'd do some study on the process on the web and visit a local chrome
plating shop with your parts and ask them how they would chrome them "for a
quote". That way when you got to Mexico you could ask how they would do the
parts and see if it compared the shops you had visited.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Berry
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 1:31 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
Hey Rob;
As far as I know, there are no good chrome shops in America anymore
due to the EPA. I guess what I mean is that there are no inexpensive
ones. I was thinking about going to Mexico and having it done (along
with my wife's dune buggy heart rims). The grill is probably aluminum,
but the fellow was talking about spraying it. I'm interested in that
process on a number of things.
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84033 is a reply to message #84009] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 00:25 |
 |
mike miller
Messages: 3576
Registered: February 2004
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
| Marcus McGee wrote on Mon, 10 May 2010 19:41 |
I have a friend that is in the paint/chrome business and has just started offering chrome on plastic or any other surface done via a spray type operation.
He is looking to do some "learning" on some small parts and I thought of the headlight surrounds. He was wondering what the interest was and what a fair price would be? I tossed out between $75 and $125 for a pair if the surround was provided to him to do the work on.
Would there be 5 or 6 guys interested in trying this out? He can do straight chrome, or a colored chrome like candy colors.
He also thought that maybe the front grill would look sharp chromed in a color or a black chrome with trim.
Is this something anyone would like to have?
|
Marcus,
At that price, I would be interested.
I do not think candy colored chrome would go with anything I have envisioned for my coaches... but could see it on some other coaches. I must be to conservative. But maybe a gold color... with gold colored emblems? Have to think about this. (Emblems are small learning parts.)
My "better" set of headlight surrounds would still need repairs on some of the mounting holes. I also would think it would be a good idea to reinforce the "good" holes before going thought the time and expense to chrome them. --- Anyone know the best method that is also compatible with the chroming process?
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84043 is a reply to message #84023] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36 |
Marcus McGee
Messages: 112
Registered: March 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Ok guys, time for me to request that the HiJack of this thread to
discussion of chrome shops be taken to a separate thread. This s spray
chrome application and I want to try and gauge the interest.
And there are still many good chrome shops in the US. but the price is
high, as labor and materials are expensive to do it right. Can we leave
it at that?
Thanks
Marcus
Gary Berry wrote:
> Hey Rob;
>
> As far as I know, there are no good chrome shops in America anymore
> due to the EPA. I guess what I mean is that there are no inexpensive
> ones. I was thinking about going to Mexico and having it done (along
> with my wife's dune buggy heart rims). The grill is probably aluminum,
> but the fellow was talking about spraying it. I'm interested in that
> process on a number of things.
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I thought the Manny grill was made of Aluminum?
>>
>> You could have that triple chrome plated at a good chrome plating shop in
>> Washington could you not?
>>
>> Check with your local Harley dealer they'll probably know the name of a good
>> shop.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller
>>
>
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84047 is a reply to message #84043] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 07:46 |
|
USAussie
Messages: 15912
Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Karma: 6
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Sorry!
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcus McGee
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:36 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
Ok guys, time for me to request that the HiJack of this thread to
discussion of chrome shops be taken to a separate thread. This s spray
chrome application and I want to try and gauge the interest.
And there are still many good chrome shops in the US. but the price is
high, as labor and materials are expensive to do it right. Can we leave
it at that?
Thanks
Marcus
Gary Berry wrote:
> Hey Rob;
>
> As far as I know, there are no good chrome shops in America anymore
> due to the EPA. I guess what I mean is that there are no inexpensive
> ones. I was thinking about going to Mexico and having it done (along
> with my wife's dune buggy heart rims). The grill is probably aluminum,
> but the fellow was talking about spraying it. I'm interested in that
> process on a number of things.
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I thought the Manny grill was made of Aluminum?
>>
>> You could have that triple chrome plated at a good chrome plating shop in
>> Washington could you not?
>>
>> Check with your local Harley dealer they'll probably know the name of a
good
>> shop.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller
>>
>
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84068 is a reply to message #84051] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 10:36 |
|
|
Thanks. We need that from time to time.
Email, like our minds, tends to wander. It's just a bigger problem here
where the hound looses track of the fox because the fox can frequently morph
into crow prior to it's being eaten.
On the topic, I'm willing to give it a shot. I would want a grill done as
well. Since this is a spray on process (of which I've read some) is it
possible to mask and area for satin black of must the whole piece be chrome
sprayed (to appear like plating)?
Also, in what city is the friend located?
Byron Songer
1978 Royale rear bath
M. McGee wrote:
> Rob and all.
>
> No apology needed. I do it all the time and I was just playing sleeping
> policeman or speed bump to get it back on course.
>
> Marcus
>
> Rob Mueller wrote:
>> Sorry!
>>
>> Rob Mueller
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcus McGee
>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:36 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
>>
>> Ok guys, time for me to request that the HiJack of this thread to
>> discussion of chrome shops be taken to a separate thread. This s spray
>> chrome application and I want to try and gauge the interest.
>>
>> And there are still many good chrome shops in the US. but the price is
>> high, as labor and materials are expensive to do it right. Can we leave
>> it at that?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Marcus
>>
>> Gary Berry wrote:
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
--
Byron Songer
Full-timing to enjoy the USA
Former owner but still an admirer
GMC paint schemes at -
http://www.songerconsulting.net
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds? [message #84069 is a reply to message #84068] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 10:40 |
Marcus McGee
Messages: 112
Registered: March 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Guys,
I am taking this off net. Anyone wants to be serious about exploring
this and take a gamble, yes it is a gamble, contact me off net.
Byron, I will ask him and get back to you directly. Contact me off net,
Marcus
Byron Songer wrote:
> Thanks. We need that from time to time.
>
> Email, like our minds, tends to wander. It's just a bigger problem here
> where the hound looses track of the fox because the fox can frequently morph
> into crow prior to it's being eaten.
>
> On the topic, I'm willing to give it a shot. I would want a grill done as
> well. Since this is a spray on process (of which I've read some) is it
> possible to mask and area for satin black of must the whole piece be chrome
> sprayed (to appear like plating)?
>
> Also, in what city is the friend located?
>
> Byron Songer
> 1978 Royale rear bath
>
>
> M. McGee wrote:
>
>
>> Rob and all.
>>
>> No apology needed. I do it all the time and I was just playing sleeping
>> policeman or speed bump to get it back on course.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> Rob Mueller wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry!
>>>
>>> Rob Mueller
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcus McGee
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:36 PM
>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Any interest in some chromed headlight surrounds?
>>>
>>> Ok guys, time for me to request that the HiJack of this thread to
>>> discussion of chrome shops be taken to a separate thread. This s spray
>>> chrome application and I want to try and gauge the interest.
>>>
>>> And there are still many good chrome shops in the US. but the price is
>>> high, as labor and materials are expensive to do it right. Can we leave
>>> it at that?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Gary Berry wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> List Information and Subscription Options:
>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Fri Nov 01 02:21:31 CDT 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.02431 seconds
|
GMCforum
Search
Help
Register
Login
Home
