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[GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83168] Wed, 05 May 2010 11:38 Go to next message
Gary Berry is currently offline  Gary Berry   United States
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Hey All;

The 455 in the Stretch is giving up the ghost. During my 4-month
drive-about, I was getting about 250mi/quart of oil (used 2 full
cases). During this current trip it's gone down to 200mi/quart and I'm
getting tons of blow-by when I pull the tube that goes from the valve
cover to the air cleaner. Always said that when the time came, I would
replace the 455 with the Chevy TD 6.5L engine. So this fall I'll be
tearing into it (or buying a SOB with a diesel in it). I think there
is a document floating around (written up by Hubler?) that details
this swap. I think I had asked GeneF if he had it, and I think he did
(I even think he sent it to me) but now I can't find it. Has anyone
seen this or done this or have any hints on this conversion? Thanks.

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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83178 is a reply to message #83168] Wed, 05 May 2010 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marc Hogenboom[1] is currently offline  Marc Hogenboom[1]   United States
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Hi Gary,
you can find information in my album
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=4225&cat=3432 and
feel free to ask. Somewhere I have the Hubler write up. As soon as I find it
I will send it to you.

Marc Hogenboom
'73 Painted Desert Diesel
Almere, the Netherlands


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Subject: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel...


> Hey All;
>
> The 455 in the Stretch is giving up the ghost. During my 4-month
> drive-about, I was getting about 250mi/quart of oil (used 2 full
> cases). During this current trip it's gone down to 200mi/quart and I'm
> getting tons of blow-by when I pull the tube that goes from the valve
> cover to the air cleaner. Always said that when the time came, I would
> replace the 455 with the Chevy TD 6.5L engine. So this fall I'll be
> tearing into it (or buying a SOB with a diesel in it). I think there
> is a document floating around (written up by Hubler?) that details
> this swap. I think I had asked GeneF if he had it, and I think he did
> (I even think he sent it to me) but now I can't find it. Has anyone
> seen this or done this or have any hints on this conversion? Thanks.
>
> --
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> 73 CL Stretch currently in Ca.
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83186 is a reply to message #83168] Wed, 05 May 2010 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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here it is

http://www.bdub.net/Diesel.pdf

especially read the part where he says "don't do it" ;>)

gene



On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey All;
>
> The 455 in the Stretch is giving up the ghost. During my 4-month
> drive-about, I was getting about 250mi/quart of oil (used 2 full
> cases). During this current trip it's gone down to 200mi/quart and I'm
> getting tons of blow-by when I pull the tube that goes from the valve
> cover to the air cleaner. Always said that when the time came, I would
> replace the 455 with the Chevy TD 6.5L engine. So this fall I'll be
> tearing into it (or buying a SOB with a diesel in it). I think there
> is a document floating around (written up by Hubler?) that details
> this swap. I think I had asked GeneF if he had it, and I think he did
> (I even think he sent it to me) but now I can't find it. Has anyone
> seen this or done this or have any hints on this conversion? Thanks.
>
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch currently in Ca.
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83193 is a reply to message #83168] Wed, 05 May 2010 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary Berry wrote on Wed, 05 May 2010 12:38

Hey All;

..................when the time came, I would
replace the 455 with the Chevy TD 6.5L engine. ..................






Didn't Manny just put a diesel in his?


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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83215 is a reply to message #83193] Wed, 05 May 2010 15:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Yup. An Isuzu rattler from the sounds of it. They installed a lot of
those anemic diesels in Safari Treks when they first came out. Noisy
as hell and they couldn't get out of their own way in that
application..

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Tom Lins <tlins@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> Gary Berry wrote on Wed, 05 May 2010 12&#58;38
>> Hey All;
>>
>>    ..................when the time came, I would
>> replace the 455 with the Chevy TD 6.5L engine. ..................
>
>
>
> Didn't Manny just put a diesel in his?
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83219 is a reply to message #83168] Wed, 05 May 2010 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Hey Gary,
Got a nice HO 502 all machined up and the rotating assy is installed,
hand fitted rings. No camshaft, compression ratio 8.5:1
I'm not going to use it so I've got it on Craig's list. The shop you
and I visited in Tucson did the machine work.

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All;
>
>   The 455 in the Stretch is giving up the ghost. During my 4-month
> drive-about, I was getting about 250mi/quart of oil (used 2 full
> cases). During this current trip it's gone down to 200mi/quart and I'm
> getting tons of blow-by when I pull the tube that goes from the valve
> cover to the air cleaner. Always said that when the time came, I would
> replace the 455 with the Chevy TD 6.5L engine. So this fall I'll be
> tearing into it (or buying a SOB with a diesel in it). I think there
> is a document floating around (written up by Hubler?) that details
> this swap. I think I had asked GeneF if he had it, and I think he did
> (I even think he sent it to me) but now I can't find it. Has anyone
> seen this or done this or have any hints on this conversion? Thanks.
>
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch currently in Ca.
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83229 is a reply to message #83219] Wed, 05 May 2010 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Berry is currently offline  Gary Berry   United States
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Hey Steve;

I didn't think you would ever get rid of any of your engine! Seems
like it would be like getting rid of one of your puppys. I really like
that row of engines you have. How can the rotating assembly be
installed if the camshaft isn't (it rotates doesn't it?)? I wouldn't
mind a 502, but KerryT sure seems to have a bunch of problems with
his. Is there a secret to keeping them running? Wouldn't it be just as
easy to put a diesel in as the 502? I don't think the transmission
needs to be gouged out on the diesel. I don't know, what's the CL
link??

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Gary,
>  Got a nice HO 502 all machined up and the rotating assy is installed,
> hand fitted rings.  No camshaft, compression ratio 8.5:1
> I'm not going to use it so I've got it on Craig's list.  The shop you
> and I visited in Tucson did the machine work.
>

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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83230 is a reply to message #83215] Wed, 05 May 2010 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it's a 4BT made by Cummins. I may be wrong. Does Isuzu make
the Cummins engines? I don't know...

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup.  An Isuzu rattler from the sounds of it.

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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83242 is a reply to message #83229] Wed, 05 May 2010 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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I'd like to get rid of all of them Gary.
The camshaft is not part of the rotating assy as far as balancing is
concerned. Rods, pistons, rings, bearings, balancer and flywheel are
what gets balanced.
I didn't know Kerry was having any problems with his new motor. His
old one made it 187,000 miles before detonation ruined it.

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Steve;
>
>   I didn't think you would ever get rid of any of your engine! Seems
> like it would be like getting rid of one of your puppys. I really like
> that row of engines you have. How can the rotating assembly be
> installed if the camshaft isn't (it rotates doesn't it?)? I wouldn't
> mind a 502, but KerryT sure seems to have a bunch of problems with
> his. Is there a secret to keeping them running? Wouldn't it be just as
> easy to put a diesel in as the 502? I don't think the transmission
> needs to be gouged out on the diesel. I don't know, what's the CL
> link??
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Gary,
>>  Got a nice HO 502 all machined up and the rotating assy is installed,
>> hand fitted rings.  No camshaft, compression ratio 8.5:1
>> I'm not going to use it so I've got it on Craig's list.  The shop you
>> and I visited in Tucson did the machine work.
>>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83243 is a reply to message #83230] Wed, 05 May 2010 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was thinking Isuzu. Didn't know it was a Cummins. Me like Cummins!

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's a 4BT made by Cummins. I may be wrong. Does Isuzu make
> the Cummins engines? I don't know...
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yup.  An Isuzu rattler from the sounds of it.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83254 is a reply to message #83242] Wed, 05 May 2010 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Steve;

Oh. Still no CL listing link, come on, give it to me. It seems that
he had been down more than once in that 187K miles with head problems
(and trans problems). Too much power?? I don't know...still, could be
interesting...

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to get rid of all of them Gary.
> The camshaft is not part of the rotating assy as far as balancing is
> concerned.  Rods, pistons, rings, bearings, balancer and flywheel are
> what gets balanced.
>  I didn't know Kerry was having any problems with his new motor.  His
> old one made it 187,000 miles before detonation ruined it.
>

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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83255 is a reply to message #83254] Wed, 05 May 2010 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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they just said Kerry has a ticket for going 110 mph ----- towing

might be part of the issue ;>)

gene


Too much power?? I don't know...still, could be

> interesting...
>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83297 is a reply to message #83255] Thu, 06 May 2010 03:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At Santa Rosa we talked Kerry into stopping off at Jims and having a
3.70 final drive installed. He had been running the stock one all
those years. That put the 502 right where it wanted to live in the
rpm band for torque and HP. According to Kerry, no difference in
mileage but it was like a new coach. That engine was lugged for a lot
of miles with that 3.07

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> they just said Kerry has a ticket for going 110 mph ----- towing
>
> might be part of the issue ;>)
>
> gene
>
>
>  Too much power?? I don't know...still, could be
>
>> interesting...
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83307 is a reply to message #83254] Thu, 06 May 2010 04:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Gary,
pardon my dumpidity, but what's a CL listing link?
I think the real problem is too many fingers got into that engine.
Kerry is not a mechanic and with the remote two lane traveling he and
Leanne prefer, you just have to trust local yokels when you think
something's wrong. All of his problems were detonation caused. A bad
injector might have been the culprit but the constant lugging had
something to do with it.

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Steve;
>
>   Oh. Still no CL listing link, come on, give it to me. It seems that
> he had been down more than once in that 187K miles with head problems
> (and trans problems). Too much power?? I don't know...still, could be
> interesting...
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to get rid of all of them Gary.
>> The camshaft is not part of the rotating assy as far as balancing is
>> concerned.  Rods, pistons, rings, bearings, balancer and flywheel are
>> what gets balanced.
>>  I didn't know Kerry was having any problems with his new motor.  His
>> old one made it 187,000 miles before detonation ruined it.
>>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83308 is a reply to message #83307] Thu, 06 May 2010 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Steve;

I like that word dumpidity, but you're none of that! I was just
trying to get the CraigsList listing link from ya. I finally found it
in the Sierra Vista section of CraigsList yesterday, but today it's
gone. Did you sell it already?? Did KerryT ever tell you how
PoohBear's mother rode on top of his engine from my house down to the
dumpstation about 5 miles away? There was something up in the engine
that she wanted so she jumped up there. We didn't know she was missing
until Kerry called us. He said something was squeaking so he opened
the hatch and Jiggy was there. No injuries. Stupid (but lucky) dog.

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary,
>  pardon my dumpidity, but what's a CL listing link?
>  I think the real problem is too many fingers got into that engine.
> Kerry is not a mechanic and with the remote two lane traveling he and
> Leanne prefer, you just have to trust local yokels when you think
> something's wrong.  All of his problems were detonation caused.  A bad
> injector might have been the culprit but the constant lugging had
> something to do with it.
>

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Re: [GMCnet] GMC and a 6.5L Diesel... [message #83331 is a reply to message #83308] Thu, 06 May 2010 10:43 Go to previous message
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Wow. What a lucky critter. Lotsa energy in those Terriers.

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Steve;
>
>   I like that word dumpidity, but you're none of that! I was just
> trying to get the CraigsList listing link from ya. I finally found it
> in the Sierra Vista section of CraigsList yesterday, but today it's
> gone. Did you sell it already??  Did KerryT ever tell you how
> PoohBear's mother rode on top of his engine from my house down to the
> dumpstation about 5 miles away? There was something up in the engine
> that she wanted so she jumped up there. We didn't know she was missing
> until Kerry called us. He said something was squeaking so he opened
> the hatch and Jiggy was there. No injuries. Stupid (but lucky) dog.
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gary,
>>  pardon my dumpidity, but what's a CL listing link?
>>  I think the real problem is too many fingers got into that engine.
>> Kerry is not a mechanic and with the remote two lane traveling he and
>> Leanne prefer, you just have to trust local yokels when you think
>> something's wrong.  All of his problems were detonation caused.  A bad
>> injector might have been the culprit but the constant lugging had
>> something to do with it.
>>
>
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