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Tue, 27 April 2010 16:23  |
Gary Berry
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Hey All;
Pulled into a Flying-J in Lodi, CA yesterday to fill up with some
gas and dump some tanks. Gas was OK, but now this Flying-J has
installed something called Sani-Star (www.sanistardump.com) on their
dump stations. Costs $5 to dump. Has anyone seen these on any other
Flying-J dump stations (or anywhere else)? I'm kind of upset by it
all...
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Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82150 is a reply to message #82141] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 18:04  |
k2gkk
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There were some comments made here a day or two ago regarding
the level of investment by commercial companies to provide
services and products. If I remember correctly, it outlined
costs of vehicle, insurance, building, secretarial help, and
a whole lot of other things just to clean out your drainpipes.
While the free dump stations offered by several fuel vendors
has been a really neat "bennie" for many years, in today's
tough business climate it is hardly unexpected that recovering
a bit of the expense of what had been free would now require
recovering a small portion of the costs to provide that service.
Pump-out service at marinas can run up to as much as $20 or more!
Marina pump-outs that were subsidized by the federal government
may not charge more thatn $5. I don't know what our marina may
be charging those who don't rent slips there or don't buy fuel,
but I don't get charged. I do tip the dock boys and/or girls
who do that nasty job $5 per trip.
States (such as Oklahoma) who previously had free dump stations
at their rest areas have closed them down. This is mainly due
to the abuse of the PRIVILEGES by scum-bag users who left the
areas with holding tank contents spilled all over the place.
The states, most of which are in financial difficulty, simply
can't afford continuing costs of cleaning/maintaing dump stations.
People who run RVs costing as much as 1/2 million dollars have
no cause to bitch because somebody wants $5 for them to dump
their crap!
* Mac Macdonald *
* Oklahoma City *
** "Money Pit" **
* '76 ex - P.B. *
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:56:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J
Shoulda seen it coming!!!
Jim Grissom
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From: "Gary Berry" <duallycc@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:23 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Flying-J
Hey All;
Pulled into a Flying-J in Lodi, CA yesterday to fill up with some
gas and dump some tanks. Gas was OK, but now this Flying-J has
installed something called Sani-Star (www.sanistardump.com) on their
dump stations. Costs $5 to dump. Has anyone seen these on any other
Flying-J dump stations (or anywhere else)? I'm kind of upset by it
all...
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82151 is a reply to message #82137] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 18:37 |
Ken Burton
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| Gary Berry wrote on Tue, 27 April 2010 16:23 |
Hey All;
Pulled into a Flying-J in Lodi, CA yesterday to fill up with some
gas and dump some tanks. Gas was OK, but now this Flying-J has
installed something called Sani-Star (www.sanistardump.com) on their
dump stations. Costs $5 to dump. Has anyone seen these on any other
Flying-J dump stations (or anywhere else)? I'm kind of upset by it
all...
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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Probably a new profit item since Pilot took them over a while back. I also see a lot of them selling alcohol diluted gas now just like Pilot.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82155 is a reply to message #82151] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 18:48 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
I did some checking and it appears that Flying-J and Pilot are both
privately held corporations.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 9:37 AM
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Gary Berry wrote on Tue, 27 April 2010 16:23
> Hey All;
>
> Pulled into a Flying-J in Lodi, CA yesterday to fill up with some
> gas and dump some tanks. Gas was OK, but now this Flying-J has
> installed something called Sani-Star (www.sanistardump.com) on their
> dump stations. Costs $5 to dump. Has anyone seen these on any other
> Flying-J dump stations (or anywhere else)? I'm kind of upset by it
> all...
>
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
Probably a new profit item since Pilot took them over a while back. I also
see a lot of them selling alcohol diluted gas now just like Pilot.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82156 is a reply to message #82150] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 18:52 |
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May I quote you, sir?
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
>
> There were some comments made here a day or two ago regarding
> the level of investment by commercial companies to provide
> services and products. If I remember correctly, it outlined
> costs of vehicle, insurance, building, secretarial help, and
> a whole lot of other things just to clean out your drainpipes.
>
> While the free dump stations offered by several fuel vendors
> has been a really neat "bennie" for many years, in today's
> tough business climate it is hardly unexpected that recovering
> a bit of the expense of what had been free would now require
> recovering a small portion of the costs to provide that service.
>
> Pump-out service at marinas can run up to as much as $20 or more!
> Marina pump-outs that were subsidized by the federal government
> may not charge more thatn $5. I don't know what our marina may
> be charging those who don't rent slips there or don't buy fuel,
> but I don't get charged. I do tip the dock boys and/or girls
> who do that nasty job $5 per trip.
>
> States (such as Oklahoma) who previously had free dump stations
> at their rest areas have closed them down. This is mainly due
> to the abuse of the PRIVILEGES by scum-bag users who left the
> areas with holding tank contents spilled all over the place.
> The states, most of which are in financial difficulty, simply
> can't afford continuing costs of cleaning/maintaing dump stations.
>
> People who run RVs costing as much as 1/2 million dollars have
> no cause to bitch because somebody wants $5 for them to dump
> their crap!
>
> * Mac Macdonald *
> * Oklahoma City *
> ** "Money Pit" **
> * '76 ex - P.B. *
>
>
>
> From: lawyerjpg@rgv.rr.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:56:43 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J
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> Shoulda seen it coming!!!
>
> Jim Grissom
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Berry" <duallycc@gmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:23 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Flying-J
>
> Hey All;
>
> Pulled into a Flying-J in Lodi, CA yesterday to fill up with some
> gas and dump some tanks. Gas was OK, but now this Flying-J has
> installed something called Sani-Star (www.sanistardump.com) on their
> dump stations. Costs $5 to dump. Has anyone seen these on any other
> Flying-J dump stations (or anywhere else)? I'm kind of upset by it
> all...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82159 is a reply to message #82155] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 19:06 |
Ken Burton
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 27 April 2010 18:48 |
Ken,
I did some checking and it appears that Flying-J and Pilot are both
privately held corporations.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Owned by the Mayor of Knoxville, TN (and family).
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82162 is a reply to message #82159] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 19:15 |
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USAussie
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Jeez,
Too bad it ain't Chuck B. he mighta given us a break when we use the dump
sites! ;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:07 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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Owned by the Mayor of Knoxville, TN (and family).
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82164 is a reply to message #82156] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 19:30 |
k2gkk
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Certainly, Byron.
Just remember that my opinion, at its best,
is worth only what you paid for it unless
you value it more highly.
Mac
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:52:56 -0400
From: bsonger@songerconsulting.net
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J
May I quote you, sir?
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
There were some comments made here a day or two ago regarding
the level of investment by commercial companies to provide
services and products. If I remember correctly, it outlined
costs of vehicle, insurance, building, secretarial help, and
a whole lot of other things just to clean out your drainpipes.
While the free dump stations offered by several fuel vendors
has been a really neat "bennie" for many years, in today's
tough business climate it is hardly unexpected that recovering
a bit of the expense of what had been free would now require
recovering a small portion of the costs to provide that service.
Pump-out service at marinas can run up to as much as $20 or more!
Marina pump-outs that were subsidized by the federal government
may not charge more thatn $5. I don't know what our marina may
be charging those who don't rent slips there or don't buy fuel,
but I don't get charged. I do tip the dock boys and/or girls
who do that nasty job $5 per trip.
States (such as Oklahoma) who previously had free dump stations
at their rest areas have closed them down. This is mainly due
to the abuse of the PRIVILEGES by scum-bag users who left the
areas with holding tank contents spilled all over the place.
The states, most of which are in financial difficulty, simply
can't afford continuing costs of cleaning/maintaing dump stations.
People who run RVs costing as much as 1/2 million dollars have
no cause to bitch because somebody wants $5 for them to dump
their crap!
* Mac Macdonald *
* Oklahoma City *
** "Money Pit" **
* '76 ex - P.B. *
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82167 is a reply to message #82159] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 19:40 |
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I didn't care for them buying Williams truck stops. Now that they on
Flying-J, the only targets left are Love's, Petro and TA. Who will be next
to fall?
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Ken Burton wrote:
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>
> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 27 April 2010 18:48
>> Ken,
>>
>> I did some checking and it appears that Flying-J and Pilot are both
>> privately held corporations.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> Owned by the Mayor of Knoxville, TN (and family).
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82168 is a reply to message #82164] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 19:43 |
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Inflationary pressure makes it 3 cents.
Darn good opinion. It goes well with my story about retailing and only being
able to address two of the three -- product, service, price.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
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> Certainly, Byron.
>
> Just remember that my opinion, at its best,
> is worth only what you paid for it unless
> you value it more highly.
>
> Mac
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:52:56 -0400
> From: bsonger@songerconsulting.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J
>
> May I quote you, sir?
>
> Byron Songer
> 1978 Royale by Coachmen
> Louisville, KY
> Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
> Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
>
>
>
> D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
>
> There were some comments made here a day or two ago regarding
> the level of investment by commercial companies to provide
> services and products. If I remember correctly, it outlined
> costs of vehicle, insurance, building, secretarial help, and
> a whole lot of other things just to clean out your drainpipes.
>
> While the free dump stations offered by several fuel vendors
> has been a really neat "bennie" for many years, in today's
> tough business climate it is hardly unexpected that recovering
> a bit of the expense of what had been free would now require
> recovering a small portion of the costs to provide that service.
>
> Pump-out service at marinas can run up to as much as $20 or more!
> Marina pump-outs that were subsidized by the federal government
> may not charge more thatn $5. I don't know what our marina may
> be charging those who don't rent slips there or don't buy fuel,
> but I don't get charged. I do tip the dock boys and/or girls
> who do that nasty job $5 per trip.
>
> States (such as Oklahoma) who previously had free dump stations
> at their rest areas have closed them down. This is mainly due
> to the abuse of the PRIVILEGES by scum-bag users who left the
> areas with holding tank contents spilled all over the place.
> The states, most of which are in financial difficulty, simply
> can't afford continuing costs of cleaning/maintaing dump stations.
>
> People who run RVs costing as much as 1/2 million dollars have
> no cause to bitch because somebody wants $5 for them to dump
> their crap!
>
> * Mac Macdonald *
> * Oklahoma City *
> ** "Money Pit" **
> * '76 ex - P.B. *
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82169 is a reply to message #82137] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 19:44 |
rallymaster
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Which state was it that closed its brand new rest stop dump stations
because "People were dumping RAW SEWAGE into them"????
Ronc
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:04:23 -0500 D C *Mac* Macdonald
<k2gkk@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> There were some comments made here a day or two ago regarding
> the level of investment by commercial companies to provide
> services and products. If I remember correctly, it outlined
> costs of vehicle, insurance, building, secretarial help, and
> a whole lot of other things just to clean out your drainpipes.
>
> While the free dump stations offered by several fuel vendors
> has been a really neat "bennie" for many years, in today's
> tough business climate it is hardly unexpected that recovering
> a bit of the expense of what had been free would now require
> recovering a small portion of the costs to provide that service.
>
> Pump-out service at marinas can run up to as much as $20 or more!
> Marina pump-outs that were subsidized by the federal government
> may not charge more thatn $5. I don't know what our marina may
> be charging those who don't rent slips there or don't buy fuel,
> but I don't get charged. I do tip the dock boys and/or girls
> who do that nasty job $5 per trip.
>
> States (such as Oklahoma) who previously had free dump stations
> at their rest areas have closed them down. This is mainly due
> to the abuse of the PRIVILEGES by scum-bag users who left the
> areas with holding tank contents spilled all over the place.
> The states, most of which are in financial difficulty, simply
> can't afford continuing costs of cleaning/maintaing dump stations.
>
> People who run RVs costing as much as 1/2 million dollars have
> no cause to bitch because somebody wants $5 for them to dump
> their crap!
>
> * Mac Macdonald *
> * Oklahoma City *
> ** "Money Pit" **
> * '76 ex - P.B. *
>
>
>
> From: lawyerjpg@rgv.rr.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:56:43 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J
>
> Shoulda seen it coming!!!
>
> Jim Grissom
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Berry" <duallycc@gmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:23 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Flying-J
>
> Hey All;
>
> Pulled into a Flying-J in Lodi, CA yesterday to fill up with some
> gas and dump some tanks. Gas was OK, but now this Flying-J has
> installed something called Sani-Star (www.sanistardump.com) on
> their
> dump stations. Costs $5 to dump. Has anyone seen these on any other
> Flying-J dump stations (or anywhere else)? I'm kind of upset by it
> all...
>
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J [message #82189 is a reply to message #82170] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 21:40 |
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I like Love's. You can tell by their website that there seems to be a caring
difference. The one closest to us has finally become competitive with gas
prices. For the last year or so they've been a nickel higher.
I'm hoping they're able to make it and stay privately held.
I also preferred Williams over Pilot. Williams was better run but didn't
always pick the best of locations.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
>
> I believe that the Williams operation was about to go toes up and
> the buyout was basically a rescue!
>
> Also, I believe that Love's is also a privately, or at least closely,
> held company. Started here in Oklahoma by a man who I believe is
> a member of the Chickasaw Nation.
>
>
> * Mac Macdonald *
> * Oklahoma City *
> ** "Money Pit" **
> * '76 ex - P.B. *
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:40:23 -0400
> From: bsonger@songerconsulting.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flying-J
>
> I didn't care for them buying Williams truck stops. Now that they on
> Flying-J, the only targets left are Love's, Petro and TA. Who will be next
> to fall?
>
> Byron Songer
> 1978 Royale by Coachmen
> Louisville, KY
> Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
> Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
>
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