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Tranny head scratcher [message #81791] Sat, 24 April 2010 22:25 Go to next message
Luvn737s is currently offline  Luvn737s   United States
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When my coach has been sitting or is cold and I put it into reverse to back out, it goes into reverse fine. The first time I go into drive it balks unless I slip it into S or L and then into drive. Every other time it goes into drive fine and it makes no unusual sounds or shakes ind it doesn't leak more than an occasional drip or two. Fluid level stays fine.

Is this a warning sign, or are there bigger things to worry about?


Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81793 is a reply to message #81791] Sat, 24 April 2010 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Try changing the trans fluid. Might as well change the the filter while you are there.

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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81798 is a reply to message #81791] Sun, 25 April 2010 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My "New" tranny does this too...

Must be a desert thing... Rolling Eyes


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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81819 is a reply to message #81793] Sun, 25 April 2010 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 24 April 2010 20:51

Try changing the trans fluid. Might as well change the the filter while you are there.

I changed the fluid and filter about 1600 miles ago. In warm weather it doesn't do it. And if you "prompt" it with a shift into S or L it goes right in.

GM tranny have "bands" as opposed to Mopar which use pumps, right?


Randy
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Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #81821 is a reply to message #81819] Sun, 25 April 2010 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did you use 2 o-rings on the filter??

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On Apr 25, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Randy wrote:

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> Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 24 April 2010 20:51
>> Try changing the trans fluid. Might as well change the the filter
>> while you are there.
>
> I changed the fluid and filter about 1600 miles ago. In warm weather
> it doesn't do it. And if you "prompt" it with a shift into S or L it
> goes right in.
>
> GM tranny have "bands" as opposed to Mopar which use pumps, right?
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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81885 is a reply to message #81791] Sun, 25 April 2010 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well now it made a liar out of me by not going into drive, S or L without a few sticky shifts. I think I'll try a new trans cable since it needs one anyhow and see if that helps.

Also it was balky about kicking down, but after a try or two, it di just fine. Fluid looks and smells ok.


Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ

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Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #81901 is a reply to message #81821] Mon, 26 April 2010 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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powerjon wrote on Sun, 25 April 2010 09:57

Did you use 2 o-rings on the filter??




what does that do?


Fred V
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Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #81907 is a reply to message #81901] Mon, 26 April 2010 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pretty much guarantees a good seal. A single O-ring has been known to
leak and if this happens, the pump sucks air instead of fluid. I
would suspect that since Dan's trans is a new Trovao unit, Manny takes
that precaution in the assembly process.

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> powerjon wrote on Sun, 25 April 2010 09&#58;57
>> Did you use 2 o-rings on the filter??
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> what does that do?
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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81921 is a reply to message #81791] Mon, 26 April 2010 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Would it only suck air in drive, rather than reverse? I admit that auto trans is a bit of black magic to me.

Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81927 is a reply to message #81921] Mon, 26 April 2010 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Luvn737s wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 10:09

Would it only suck air in drive, rather than reverse? I admit that auto trans is a bit of black magic to me.


Read Manny's answer to Dan's problem. That may answer some of your questions.


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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #81928 is a reply to message #81791] Mon, 26 April 2010 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, my symptoms are a little different. And it seems to clear up after a little while. I just want that clearing up to remain permanent.

Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #81948 is a reply to message #81928] Mon, 26 April 2010 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Randy,
When you lube or replace the shift cable, more than likely, your
problem will go away.
One of our vendors once called me because he couldn't get the tranny
out of park.
Turned out that the cable froze. After replacing the cable, tranny shifted fine.


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Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #82163 is a reply to message #81948] Tue, 27 April 2010 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mannystrans wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 12:52

Randy,
When you lube or replace the shift cable, more than likely, your
problem will go away.
One of our vendors once called me because he couldn't get the tranny
out of park.
Turned out that the cable froze. After replacing the cable, tranny shifted fine.


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San Jose, California
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I made a posting here about a year ago about this same problem. I simply cleaned the rust off of the bottom end of the cable (transmission end) and coated it with anti-seize to prevent it from happening again. This is heck of a lot cheaper than buying a new one and it will probably last longer due to the anti-seize coating.


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #82208 is a reply to message #81791] Wed, 28 April 2010 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've got a new cable coming from JimK. back when I thought I wanted to sell it every prospective buyer had a hard time shifting it, but for me it worked fine. As one of the sages here rightly said about driving these coaches in the mountains, a good shift cable is almost as important as good brakes.

Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: Tranny head scratcher [message #84459 is a reply to message #82208] Thu, 13 May 2010 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Replaced the cable and still get no consistent engagement (reverse is okay for the first shift, but then it goes away too). No noise or anything, it just doesn't engage. When I fianlly do get reverse and drive to engage, it works fine and I can't replicate the problem. It doesn't engage harshly and it doesn't get hot.

Any other ideas?


Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #84482 is a reply to message #84459] Fri, 14 May 2010 01:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not sure if this may be your problem, and not sure I can explain this
very well but here goes.
The rod that engages the tranny shifter MUST be on the inside (closest
to tranny) when bolted to the linkage.
So another words the set screw that holds the rod in position must be
away from the tranny.


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Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #84486 is a reply to message #84482] Fri, 14 May 2010 05:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, that the way it is and it's as tight as I dare. Is there something internal to the shifter that could be clogged causing it to not allow fluid to flow once drive or reverse is selected?

Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Tranny head scratcher [message #84539 is a reply to message #84486] Fri, 14 May 2010 10:40 Go to previous message
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The later trannies, 76-78 used teflon oil seals.
The edges get worn from going in/out of the grove. Eventually it takes
more and more pressure to seal.
It is also a problem with the stator tube weather it has a teflon oil
seal or a metal seal when the chain is too loose.

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