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Fri, 05 March 2010 21:15  |
Ken Henderson
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FINALLY! My son and grandson came today and helped me boost the Cad into
its nest. It's not bedded down yet (rear mount not bolted on), nor laying
eggs, but it's in there!
Tomorrow should see most of the mechanical and electrical completed before
we have to knock off for my mother's 93rd birthday party in the evening.
Plumbing, fluids top-off, and pre-oiling should come on Sunday.
With any luck at all, I'll finish up the exhaust system on Monday and be
ready for engine start on Tuesday.
That'll leave 5 whole days to test the installation, clean up all the mess,
service and load the coach, and be ready to leave on the 14th for
Montgomery. No sweat, huh? :-)
RIGHT! :-(
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75765 is a reply to message #75764] |
Fri, 05 March 2010 21:22  |
Larry
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 05 March 2010 21:15 |
FINALLY! My son and grandson came today and helped me boost the Cad into
its nest. It's not bedded down yet (rear mount not bolted on), nor laying
eggs, but it's in there!
Tomorrow should see most of the mechanical and electrical completed before
we have to knock off for my mother's 93rd birthday party in the evening.
Plumbing, fluids top-off, and pre-oiling should come on Sunday.
With any luck at all, I'll finish up the exhaust system on Monday and be
ready for engine start on Tuesday.
That'll leave 5 whole days to test the installation, clean up all the mess,
service and load the coach, and be ready to leave on the 14th for
Montgomery. No sweat, huh? 
RIGHT! 
Ken H.
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WOW...I am impressed. Looking forward to seeing the install at Montgomery.
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75831 is a reply to message #75794] |
Sat, 06 March 2010 20:57 |
GMCWiperMan
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Fred,
We did miss having you, but I probably couldn't have "supervised" more than
one of you at a time. :-)
My son & grandson were here yesterday afternoon and until we broke for the
birthday party at 5 PM today. We all had some idle time while figuring out
what to do next & how we could all work in the same spot.
Most of the mechanical and plumbing tasks were completed today. The
electrical will be mostly "plug 'n' play" so I should be able to finish that
tomorrow. The one plumbing task I'm going to delay until Monday is the
upper radiator hose. I'm now planning to route a metal extension from the
thermostat housing around the rear of the air conditioning compressor to
mate up with the top radiator hose -- possibly even the one from the 455.
That will require some 1-1/2" tube bending; or, welding or brazing sections
together. That will require equipment and skills I don't have.
The new motor mount worked out perfectly except that the engine appears to
be shifted to port about 1/4"; that can be corrected quite easily.
I think the Cad has easier service access than the 455 had; the right head
is quite a bit farther forward, helping to clear the congested area I have
at the right rear where all my EFI wiring converges. The underside is
cleaner because of the iron manifolds instead of headers (having no exhaust
pipes (yet) helps some too).
My grandson was prepping the AC #4 Rapid Fire plugs for installation and
noticed a strange phenomenon: Two of the 6 plugs from the box. all marked
on the plugs as AC 4, had significantly different center electrodes -- more
pointed. I exchanged them at AZ for more like the other 6. I have no idea
why identically marked plugs would be of different construction, but those
were.
Just a few more days until fire off. Keep on sending that luck this way!
:-)
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:53 AM, fred veenschoten <fredntoni@cox.net> wrote:
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> good news Ken. i wish my schedule had allowed me to come and lend a hand.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75832 is a reply to message #75831] |
Sat, 06 March 2010 21:03 |
John Wright
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Ken,
Get some 1 1/2" copper fitting and pipe at your hardware store and solder it
together. Done it many times when working on street rods cooling.
J.R. Wright
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Ken Henderson <ken0henderson@gmail.com>wrote:
> Fred,
>
> We did miss having you, but I probably couldn't have "supervised" more than
> one of you at a time. :-)
>
> My son & grandson were here yesterday afternoon and until we broke for the
> birthday party at 5 PM today. We all had some idle time while figuring out
> what to do next & how we could all work in the same spot.
>
> Most of the mechanical and plumbing tasks were completed today. The
> electrical will be mostly "plug 'n' play" so I should be able to finish
> that
> tomorrow. The one plumbing task I'm going to delay until Monday is the
> upper radiator hose. I'm now planning to route a metal extension from the
> thermostat housing around the rear of the air conditioning compressor to
> mate up with the top radiator hose -- possibly even the one from the 455.
> That will require some 1-1/2" tube bending; or, welding or brazing
> sections
> together. That will require equipment and skills I don't have.
>
> The new motor mount worked out perfectly except that the engine appears to
> be shifted to port about 1/4"; that can be corrected quite easily.
>
> I think the Cad has easier service access than the 455 had; the right head
> is quite a bit farther forward, helping to clear the congested area I have
> at the right rear where all my EFI wiring converges. The underside is
> cleaner because of the iron manifolds instead of headers (having no exhaust
> pipes (yet) helps some too).
>
> My grandson was prepping the AC #4 Rapid Fire plugs for installation and
> noticed a strange phenomenon: Two of the 6 plugs from the box. all marked
> on the plugs as AC 4, had significantly different center electrodes -- more
> pointed. I exchanged them at AZ for more like the other 6. I have no idea
> why identically marked plugs would be of different construction, but those
> were.
>
> Just a few more days until fire off. Keep on sending that luck this way!
> :-)
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:53 AM, fred veenschoten <fredntoni@cox.net>
> wrote:
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> > good news Ken. i wish my schedule had allowed me to come and lend a hand.
> >
> > --
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75833 is a reply to message #75832] |
Sat, 06 March 2010 21:08 |
C Boyd
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| John Wright wrote on Sat, 06 March 2010 22:03 |
Ken,
Get some 1 1/2" copper fitting and pipe at your hardware store and solder it
together. Done it many times when working on street rods cooling.
J.R. Wright
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Ken Henderson <ken0henderson@gmail.com>wrote:
> Fred,
>
> We did miss having you, but I probably couldn't have "supervised" more than
> one of you at a time.
>
> My son & grandson were here yesterday afternoon and until we broke for the
> birthday party at 5 PM today. We all had some idle time while figuring out
> what to do next & how we could all work in the same spot.
>
> Most of the mechanical and plumbing tasks were completed today. The
> electrical will be mostly "plug 'n' play" so I should be able to finish
> that
> tomorrow. The one plumbing task I'm going to delay until Monday is the
> upper radiator hose. I'm now planning to route a metal extension from the
> thermostat housing around the rear of the air conditioning compressor to
> mate up with the top radiator hose -- possibly even the one from the 455.
> That will require some 1-1/2" tube bending; or, welding or brazing
> sections
> together. That will require equipment and skills I don't have.
>
> The new motor mount worked out perfectly except that the engine appears to
> be shifted to port about 1/4"; that can be corrected quite easily.
>
> I think the Cad has easier service access than the 455 had; the right head
> is quite a bit farther forward, helping to clear the congested area I have
> at the right rear where all my EFI wiring converges. The underside is
> cleaner because of the iron manifolds instead of headers (having no exhaust
> pipes (yet) helps some too).
>
> My grandson was prepping the AC #4 Rapid Fire plugs for installation and
> noticed a strange phenomenon: Two of the 6 plugs from the box. all marked
> on the plugs as AC 4, had significantly different center electrodes -- more
> pointed. I exchanged them at AZ for more like the other 6. I have no idea
> why identically marked plugs would be of different construction, but those
> were.
>
> Just a few more days until fire off. Keep on sending that luck this way!
>
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:53 AM, fred veenschoten <fredntoni@cox.net>
> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > good news Ken. i wish my schedule had allowed me to come and lend a hand.
> >
> > --
> >
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Ken: I got a special one made at the muffler shop for my 79 KW.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75835 is a reply to message #75832] |
Sat, 06 March 2010 21:29 |
GMCWiperMan
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J.R.,
I'm planning to visit my friend the plumber Monday morning, but I doubt they
use anything but PVC or CPVC these days.
Chuck,
Then I'm going to my friend's muffler shop, but I'm not sure they use any
pipe as small as 1-1/2", nor whether they can make a bend as tight as I need
to keep the rise down above the thermostat housing.
Something will work though! :-)
Ken H.
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:03 PM, John Wright <powwerjon@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken,
> Get some 1 1/2" copper fitting and pipe at your hardware store and solder
> it
> together. Done it many times when working on street rods cooling.
>
> ----------------
Ken: I got a special one made at the muffler shop for my 79 KW.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75838 is a reply to message #75835] |
Sat, 06 March 2010 21:50 |
C Boyd
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| GMCWiperMan wrote on Sat, 06 March 2010 22:29 |
J.R.,
I'm planning to visit my friend the plumber Monday morning, but I doubt they
use anything but PVC or CPVC these days.
Chuck,
Then I'm going to my friend's muffler shop, but I'm not sure they use any
pipe as small as 1-1/2", nor whether they can make a bend as tight as I need
to keep the rise down above the thermostat housing.
Something will work though!
Ken H.
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:03 PM, John Wright <powwerjon@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken,
> Get some 1 1/2" copper fitting and pipe at your hardware store and solder
> it
> together. Done it many times when working on street rods cooling.
>
> ----------------
Ken: I got a special one made at the muffler shop for my 79 KW.
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Ken: The muffler shop actually welded elbows together for me as I needed 3" and a tight S. He did it in stainless. As for the plumber, I have used CPVC on the newer big trucks with good results. I had a plastic tanked radiator on a Peterbilt that the inlet broke and I used PCVC glue and a coupler to repair. It was still holding 4 years later when I traded it.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75853 is a reply to message #75772] |
Sat, 06 March 2010 22:48 |
jimk
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Ken,
I hope to have mine finished Wensday.
Texas or Bust.
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Ken Henderson <ken0henderson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just wait 'til you see how simple the serpentine belts turned out to be. :-)
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Larry <weidnerl@wwt.net> wrote:
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>> ...
>> WOW...I am impressed. Â Looking forward to seeing the install at Montgomery.
>>.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75862 is a reply to message #75838] |
Sun, 07 March 2010 07:09 |
Steven Ferguson
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Amazing! I wouldn't have thought of that in a million years.
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net> wrote:
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> GMCWiperMan wrote on Sat, 06 March 2010 22:29
>> J.R.,
>>
>> I'm planning to visit my friend the plumber Monday morning, but I doubt they
>> use anything but PVC or CPVC these days.
>>
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Then I'm going to my friend's muffler shop, but I'm not sure they use any
>> pipe as small as 1-1/2", nor whether they can make a bend as tight as I need
>> to keep the rise down above the thermostat housing.
>>
>> Something will work though! :)
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:03 PM, John Wright <powwerjon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ken,
>> > Get some 1 1/2" copper fitting and pipe at your hardware store and solder
>> > it
>> > together. Done it many times when working on street rods cooling.
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> Ken: I got a special one made at the muffler shop for my 79 KW.
>> --
>> C. Boyd
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> Ken: The muffler shop actually welded elbows together for me as I needed 3" and a tight S. He did it in stainless. As for the plumber, I have used CPVC on the newer big trucks with good results. I had a plastic tanked radiator on a Peterbilt that the inlet broke and I used PCVC glue and a coupler to repair. It was still holding 4 years later when I traded it.
> --
> C. Boyd
> 76 Crestmont by Midas
> East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75936 is a reply to message #75871] |
Sun, 07 March 2010 18:51 |
GMCWiperMan
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Larry,
I've had and been referring to your writeup and photos. With my fiberglass
fan shroud, routing over the top of it is not so simple -- I could do it,
but I want to try something different. With the little Sanden clone A/C
compressor mounted up top, I think I can pretty easily create a metal tube
around to the port side. If I find the right fittings. I could even use the
original upper hose to connect to the I know I could if I had more time,
but may have do something else for expediency.
Ken H.
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Larry <weidnerl@wwt.net> wrote:
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> Larry wrote on Sun, 07 March 2010 10:43
> > Ken,
> > I ran my radiator hose out the left side of the compartment near the
> alternator. I did it in rubber...maybe you could do it in copper??
> >
> > Looked like this when done.
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3896&cat=3391
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> > Went out here.
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> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3948&cat=3379
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> > Just what I did...
> >
> > Sure wish my motor was as clean now as it was then...
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> Woops...sorry...right side (Passenger) of compartment between alternator
> and fan shroud.
> --
> Larry :)
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cad's in Its Nest [message #75941 is a reply to message #75937] |
Sun, 07 March 2010 19:30 |
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Jim,
I wish now that I'd ordered the Mr. Gasket hoses when you first posted the
link. But now I don't have time for any ordering or shipping. What I can
cobble together over the next couple of days will have to do for now. Same
for your exhaust pipes: Thanks for the offer, but I'll have them installed
& hot before we could get yours here -- I hope. :-) I've got a short
section of SS flexible exhaust pipe that I'll use as a pattern to take to
the tailpipe bender; hopefully that will make the task pretty simple -- and
quick. :-)
Ken H.
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Jim Wagner <slwjmw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Ken
> Glad to read the Caddy is in. Since I don't run A/C I used the upper stock
> hose
> "I ran across a one size fits all radiator hose at;
> http://memphis-surplus.com/ It is the MrGasket 36" radiator hose (they
> also have a 48" one for the same price $5.00)I carry replacement hoses but
> thought this might come in handy since it should fit not only the GMC but
> the toad."
> Get the 4' one and cut to size.
> I have the exh. header pipes that I mocked up for mine if you need to use
> them.
> Good luck I know you will like the Caddy
>
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