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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73681 is a reply to message #73662] |
Fri, 12 February 2010 23:13   |
steve n
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Is it my imagination, or are our fine GMC coach's getting cheaper? Seems as though each time one is listed somewhere, the pricing structure, with some very rare exception, is going down.
This "fixed", "getting better" (in Washington's opinion) economy we're in is really playing havoc on their value. Guess some folks are thinking that their (the GMC's) value is going to continue to decline and are trying to unload before (in their mind) everything goes sour!
Unless they're getting out of RVing, where else can a coach, the likes of a GMC, be found for the dollars they are selling for. The new "boxes" cost a small fortune and the depreciation on one of those is really mind boggling! Granted, the new 'boxes' are longer, wider, higher, fancier, etc., etc....But who needs all that. O'well, I guess to each his own!
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73684 is a reply to message #73681] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 00:35 |
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| steve n wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 21:13 |
Is it my imagination, or are our fine GMC coach's getting cheaper? Seems as though each time one is listed somewhere, the pricing structure, with some very rare exception, is going down.
This "fixed", "getting better" (in Washington's opinion) economy we're in is really playing havoc on their value. Guess some folks are thinking that their (the GMC's) value is going to continue to decline and are trying to unload before (in their mind) everything goes sour!
Unless they're getting out of RVing, where else can a coach, the likes of a GMC, be found for the dollars they are selling for. The new "boxes" cost a small fortune and the depreciation on one of those is really mind boggling! Granted, the new 'boxes' are longer, wider, higher, fancier, etc., etc....But who needs all that. O'well, I guess to each his own!
Steve Nowak
F26083
'78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101877
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Steve: not to set off a bomb here, cause I love the GMC group a lot, but the big problem is the age of the units. Granted you can get them repaired eventually, but the engines are becoming a bit rare, few understand how to work on them, carbs are fussy, trannys are somewhat specialized and so on. As we know from much recent discussion about towing and Dan and Teri's engine experience, not just anyone can repair them properly. We may remember when the 455 was a hot engine, and the front wheel drive was innovative, but 35 years later, unfortunately, the world has changed. And not too many people want to invest lets say $5K more or less in an engine repair or replacement in a rig only selling for 7 to 12 K.
I doubt you are hot for a 1975 automobile to use every day, and to go on vacation in. Same thing for a 1975 motorhome. If you want to use it, with no problems, good luck. If you like to tinker and are willing to have some road issues, maybe it is a good rig to have, but frankly, not many people want to vacation in an antique vehicle. Granted, most of the systems can be updated, and in fact almost have to be updated, but it is a constant thing. The immediate previous owner of my GMC (which I have sold now) told me that he and his wife wanted to camp and have fun, not repair it after every trip. BTW, I had a lot of fun repairing and updating it after I purchased it, but even though they did a lot, a lot more needed doing. And I am sure the current owner has to do some things also, it is neverending.
So, that is one big reason the prices remain low. There is a limited market for motorhomes which are hard to repair, and need constant repair. Sure, lots of tinker folk here own them, but realistically, the market is rather small.
I hope I don't offend anyone with my comments. The GMC is a great vehicle, but not for everyone, and each passing year it becomes more difficult to sustain. We are very fortunate to have the active discussion group, and the specialized service facilities and parts support we have, but it is not a growing market.
When I see a nice $8000 GMC I also cringe, 8k is not much money today, it hardly will buy a decent used car anymore, and new cars are mostly in the 20 k range. The GMC is a lot of vehicle for the initial money, but it will keep costing more, and more, and more as will any older complicated device. And sometimes it is not the money, but the hassle factor of a breakdown when you really wanted a vacation.
Just what I see from here, again, no darts please, just my opinions put down for others to read.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73701 is a reply to message #73684] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 07:53 |
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I think what you say is important. Nevertheless, the price for an engine, if you discount the potentially hair-pulling inconvenience getting to the right location for a proper repair, isn't that much compared to the alternative: getting a new motorhome (or recent used motorhome) for, say $50,000 to $200,000. The loan payment you'll forego on the 30,000 to $180,000 the $20 GMC purchase and initial renovation is substantial. You could use that foregone loan payment to put a few hundred a month into a maintenance reserve, so as to be prepared for that long tow and engine replacement or transmission replacement down the road.
The situation seems, at least to me, to be very comparable to airplanes: you can buy a brand new Cessna or Piper for $$$$$$$ or buy an older one for $$ or even $, fix it to a reasonable and airworthy/roadworthy level for additional $, and then plan with a maintenance reserve fund for the potential big ticket maintenance. If that big ticket never comes due, then you've got your maintenance reserve in the bank. Plus you've got a cool and different older airplane in the meantime (e.g., a nice tail-dragger Pacer or perhaps an old straight-tailed 172 or something), or a cool motorhome that is different than every other Some Other Brand, square box, behemoth on the road.
But the rub is the financial wherewithal to swing all three components: purchase, cost of initial repairs for renovation to air/roadworthy status, and subsequent maintenance reserve. Just as you shouldn't buy a $ Cessna if the initial purchase alone will tap you out, the same might apply to a cheap GMC.
Mike
On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Rob Allen wrote:
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> steve n wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 21:13
>> Is it my imagination, or are our fine GMC coach's getting cheaper? Seems as though each time one is listed somewhere, the pricing structure, with some very rare exception, is going down.
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>> This "fixed", "getting better" (in Washington's opinion) economy we're in is really playing havoc on their value. Guess some folks are thinking that their (the GMC's) value is going to continue to decline and are trying to unload before (in their mind) everything goes sour!
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>> Unless they're getting out of RVing, where else can a coach, the likes of a GMC, be found for the dollars they are selling for. The new "boxes" cost a small fortune and the depreciation on one of those is really mind boggling! Granted, the new 'boxes' are longer, wider, higher, fancier, etc., etc....But who needs all that. O'well, I guess to each his own!
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>> Steve Nowak
>> F26083
>> '78 Royale Center Kitchen
>> TZE368V101877
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> Steve: not to set off a bomb here, cause I love the GMC group a lot, but the big problem is the age of the units. Granted you can get them repaired eventually, but the engines are becoming a bit rare, few understand how to work on them, carbs are fussy, trannys are somewhat specialized and so on. As we know from much recent discussion about towing and Dan and Teri's engine experience, not just anyone can repair them properly. We may remember when the 455 was a hot engine, and the front wheel drive was innovative, but 35 years later, unfortunately, the world has changed. And not too many people want to invest lets say $5K more or less in an engine repair or replacement in a rig only selling for 7 to 12 K.
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> I doubt you are hot for a 1975 automobile to use every day, and to go on vacation in. Same thing for a 1975 motorhome. If you want to use it, with no problems, good luck. If you like to tinker and are willing to have some road issues, maybe it is a good rig to have, but frankly, not many people want to vacation in an antique vehicle. Granted, most of the systems can be updated, and in fact almost have to be updated, but it is a constant thing. The immediate previous owner of my GMC (which I have sold now) told me that he and his wife wanted to camp and have fun, not repair it after every trip. BTW, I had a lot of fun repairing and updating it after I purchased it, but even though they did a lot, a lot more needed doing. And I am sure the current owner has to do some things also, it is neverending.
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> So, that is one big reason the prices remain low. There is a limited market for motorhomes which are hard to repair, and need constant repair. Sure, lots of tinker folk here own them, but realistically, the market is rather small.
>
> I hope I don't offend anyone with my comments. The GMC is a great vehicle, but not for everyone, and each passing year it becomes more difficult to sustain. We are very fortunate to have the active discussion group, and the specialized service facilities and parts support we have, but it is not a growing market.
>
> When I see a nice $8000 GMC I also cringe, 8k is not much money today, it hardly will buy a decent used car anymore, and new cars are mostly in the 20 k range. The GMC is a lot of vehicle for the initial money, but it will keep costing more, and more, and more as will any older complicated device. And sometimes it is not the money, but the hassle factor of a breakdown when you really wanted a vacation.
>
> Just what I see from here, again, no darts please, just my opinions put down for others to read.
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> former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73702 is a reply to message #73701] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 07:53 |
mlincoln
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That'd be $20k GMC purchase and renovation...
On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Michael Lincoln wrote:
> I think what you say is important. Nevertheless, the price for an engine, if you discount the potentially hair-pulling inconvenience getting to the right location for a proper repair, isn't that much compared to the alternative: getting a new motorhome (or recent used motorhome) for, say $50,000 to $200,000. The loan payment you'll forego on the 30,000 to $180,000 the $20 GMC purchase and initial renovation is substantial. You could use that foregone loan payment to put a few hundred a month into a maintenance reserve, so as to be prepared for that long tow and engine replacement or transmission replacement down the road.
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> The situation seems, at least to me, to be very comparable to airplanes: you can buy a brand new Cessna or Piper for $$$$$$$ or buy an older one for $$ or even $, fix it to a reasonable and airworthy/roadworthy level for additional $, and then plan with a maintenance reserve fund for the potential big ticket maintenance. If that big ticket never comes due, then you've got your maintenance reserve in the bank. Plus you've got a cool and different older airplane in the meantime (e.g., a nice tail-dragger Pacer or perhaps an old straight-tailed 172 or something), or a cool motorhome that is different than every other Some Other Brand, square box, behemoth on the road.
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> But the rub is the financial wherewithal to swing all three components: purchase, cost of initial repairs for renovation to air/roadworthy status, and subsequent maintenance reserve. Just as you shouldn't buy a $ Cessna if the initial purchase alone will tap you out, the same might apply to a cheap GMC.
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> Mike
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> On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Rob Allen wrote:
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>> steve n wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 21:13
>>> Is it my imagination, or are our fine GMC coach's getting cheaper? Seems as though each time one is listed somewhere, the pricing structure, with some very rare exception, is going down.
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>>> This "fixed", "getting better" (in Washington's opinion) economy we're in is really playing havoc on their value. Guess some folks are thinking that their (the GMC's) value is going to continue to decline and are trying to unload before (in their mind) everything goes sour!
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>>> Unless they're getting out of RVing, where else can a coach, the likes of a GMC, be found for the dollars they are selling for. The new "boxes" cost a small fortune and the depreciation on one of those is really mind boggling! Granted, the new 'boxes' are longer, wider, higher, fancier, etc., etc....But who needs all that. O'well, I guess to each his own!
>>>
>>> Steve Nowak
>>> F26083
>>> '78 Royale Center Kitchen
>>> TZE368V101877
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>> Steve: not to set off a bomb here, cause I love the GMC group a lot, but the big problem is the age of the units. Granted you can get them repaired eventually, but the engines are becoming a bit rare, few understand how to work on them, carbs are fussy, trannys are somewhat specialized and so on. As we know from much recent discussion about towing and Dan and Teri's engine experience, not just anyone can repair them properly. We may remember when the 455 was a hot engine, and the front wheel drive was innovative, but 35 years later, unfortunately, the world has changed. And not too many people want to invest lets say $5K more or less in an engine repair or replacement in a rig only selling for 7 to 12 K.
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>> I doubt you are hot for a 1975 automobile to use every day, and to go on vacation in. Same thing for a 1975 motorhome. If you want to use it, with no problems, good luck. If you like to tinker and are willing to have some road issues, maybe it is a good rig to have, but frankly, not many people want to vacation in an antique vehicle. Granted, most of the systems can be updated, and in fact almost have to be updated, but it is a constant thing. The immediate previous owner of my GMC (which I have sold now) told me that he and his wife wanted to camp and have fun, not repair it after every trip. BTW, I had a lot of fun repairing and updating it after I purchased it, but even though they did a lot, a lot more needed doing. And I am sure the current owner has to do some things also, it is neverending.
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>> So, that is one big reason the prices remain low. There is a limited market for motorhomes which are hard to repair, and need constant repair. Sure, lots of tinker folk here own them, but realistically, the market is rather small.
>>
>> I hope I don't offend anyone with my comments. The GMC is a great vehicle, but not for everyone, and each passing year it becomes more difficult to sustain. We are very fortunate to have the active discussion group, and the specialized service facilities and parts support we have, but it is not a growing market.
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>> When I see a nice $8000 GMC I also cringe, 8k is not much money today, it hardly will buy a decent used car anymore, and new cars are mostly in the 20 k range. The GMC is a lot of vehicle for the initial money, but it will keep costing more, and more, and more as will any older complicated device. And sometimes it is not the money, but the hassle factor of a breakdown when you really wanted a vacation.
>>
>> Just what I see from here, again, no darts please, just my opinions put down for others to read.
>>
>> --
>> Rob Allen
>> former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73723 is a reply to message #73662] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 13:34 |
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I have left this guy a message and I will, for sure, go look at it. Dan, did some business in Dexter yesterday and then picked up a Dexter BBQ sandwich on Texas toast, with the coleslaw ON THE SANDWICH.....which I love. Ate the whole thing AND all of the fries, AND drank a medium Coke, which at that place is 5 gallons.
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73724 is a reply to message #73723] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 13:36 |
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On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Larry Nelson wrote:
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> I have left this guy a message and I will, for sure, go look at it.
> Dan, did some business in Dexter yesterday and then picked up a
> Dexter BBQ sandwich on Texas toast, with the coleslaw ON THE
> SANDWICH.....which I love. Ate the whole thing AND all of the fries,
> AND drank a medium Coke, which at that place is 5 gallons.
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and, knowing Dan, he probably washed it all down with some ICE CREAM!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73740 is a reply to message #73666] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 17:36 |
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This one has been on Craigslist a couple of times in the past. I looked at it about 15 months ago. It was in decent shape but was not (in my opinion) worth what he was asking -- seems like it was listed for over $12000 back then. He had moved it up to the front of the house so obviously it ran but he couldn't get it started while I was there. I don't recall it having too many upgrades but had been redone some, however, that was some time ago so that work has now aged some.
With the price now at $7500, it would be worthwhile for someone to consider.
Enjoying the California weather and saw Dan and Teri out at Miguels when my friend George and I went by to check out Miquel's operation. Great guy and looks like he keeps busy working on GMCs.
| WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 21:05 |
Larry, that looks like a bargain. You can keep your bus. Randy is out here with us so you only have to bid against Max, if he is interested.
Dan
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Battlefield, MO
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73747 is a reply to message #73740] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 18:27 |
LNelson
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This man called me back. He is 84. The coach does not run. He had some sort of engine fire. His key would not work and then there were sparks. I might still go look at it.
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73795 is a reply to message #73757] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 08:43 |
Steven Ferguson
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Stop by Dan,
Terry Skinner and his wife should be headed this way from Las Cruces
if that is where they spent the night. I told Terry he might want to
visit with Hal Kading. Especially since Hal is in the last stages of
getting his new 502 installed in his Buskirk stretch, and has a hangar
full of interesting airplanes.
Anybody wanna but a couple of B25 bombers? I know where there are
two for sale at bargain prices.
What I meant was that if you did get sent to jail, there was still a
chance you would have ended up meeting her in her previous life as a
PO.
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Larry, that is our favorite place in Dexter to eat. Emery, they have a free ice cream machine. You know why I like it so much.
> Miguel just installed a new generator for a guy. I like it.
> Was great to see Randy and George yesterday.
> Steve, anything is for sale, just not Teri.
> I hope we pass by your turnoff this week.
> Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73866 is a reply to message #73839] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 21:43 |
Carl S.
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Dan,
I guess you won't have time on this trip, but don't forget you and Teri have a standing invitation to stay at our place, in Tucson, any time.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC in Springfield [message #73877 is a reply to message #73866] |
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Thanks Carl.
dan
3 In Stainless Exhaust Headers
One Ton All Discs/Reaction Arm
355 FD/Quad Bag/Alum Radiator Manny Tran/New eng.
Holley EFI/10 Tire Air Monitoring System
Solarized Coach/Upgraded Windows
Satelite TV/On Demand Hot Water/3Way Refer
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