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| [GMCnet] Onan Update [message #72351] |
Sun, 31 January 2010 09:14  |
George Zhookoff
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When last we talked I could only run the Onan by keeping the "prime" button pressed. Release the button and the Onan dies. I reviewed all comments and help documents. Jumped right in following Mr. Onan jumper this to that procedures. I must have jumped the wrong pins and burned the printed circut board.
New board from Jim K and all is well.
Guess I'll send the burned board to Jim K so he can add to his stock of cores?
George Zhookoff
78 EL II
Atlanta
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan Update [message #72354 is a reply to message #72351] |
Sun, 31 January 2010 09:50  |
George Zhookoff
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Ken,
I'll send it to Duane.
George
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Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:31:24 2010
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Update
George,
I would send it direct to Duane Simmons so JimK doesn't have to transship
it, possibly letting it get lost along the way and further enriching the
carriers -- who're already getting too much of our $$$.
Still haven't been able to schedule the trip to Buford; I'll let you know
when we do.
JWID,
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, George Zhookoff <gzhookoff@e2m.com> wrote:
> When last we talked I could only run the Onan by keeping the "prime" button
> pressed. Release the button and the Onan dies. I reviewed all comments and
> help documents. Jumped right in following Mr. Onan jumper this to that
> procedures. I must have jumped the wrong pins and burned the printed circut
> board.
> New board from Jim K and all is well.
> Guess I'll send the burned board to Jim K so he can add to his stock of
> cores?
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan Update [message #245519 is a reply to message #72351] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 11:03 |
Ken Henderson
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> I hate to restart the out-of-control discussion of GMCMI seminars and
> documentation/preservation thereof. But, I don't think there's a
> sufficient understanding of the situation and the difficulty of satisfying
> everyone.
>
> Ken Burton did a good job of explaining the difficulty of preparing
> documentation that can be presented only visually. I won't go into that
> any further except to say that in the case of GMCMI, there is NO
> requirement, nor prescribed format for ANY materials. Unlike GMCES, there
> is no "Presenters' Guide" to follow. There is no requirement that all
> materials be watermarked, nor even that they contain a printed liability
> disclaimer. Whether such guidelines should exist is open for discussion
> (WITHIN GMCMI), but they do not now exist, nor have I seen any evidence
> that they ever have. There is little to no effort to persuade presenters
> to prepare handouts, though they are willingly copied and stapled on
> request. There is no pressure to present any material for posting to the
> web site and the election to do so is purely up to the presenter. Some may
> be anxious to post their material, most don't really care, and some
> (including some of the very best) adamantly refuse to allow their material
> to be posted.
>
> Let me describe a typical sequence of events for a presentation: The
> Convention Manger, some months before a convention, begins to arrange all
> of the hundreds of details necessary to, in effect, house, feed, entertain,
> and generally cater to the whims of 200-300 individuals. Among the
> "entertainment" items are several hours of technical presentations. While
> she may have some oral feedback, some written suggestions from a previous
> poll, or even a proposal/request from someone for a specific seminar, for
> the most part she's on her own. While already sharp and learning more all
> the time, she's not a mechanic, nor an engineer, nor wishing she'd been
> born a boy. She's dependent upon others to guide the selection of topics
> for presentation. So, she'll get on the phone to those she knows have
> given presentations in the past, those she's been told know "something", or
> to just communicative members who she's comfortable talking to. In those
> 'phone calls, she's primarily seeking someone to accept the responsibility
> of giving a presentation -- usually including the suggestion of a topic.
> While she may have tried to establish a sort of a theme for the technical
> program, that's not a strong driver -- can't be, given the necessity to
> "beg" folks to present.
>
> Once someone "volunteers" to present a seminar, she and that individual
> agree to a schedule, date/time/duration -- recognizing that all of it may
> change as the schedule is firmed. It's then up to the presenter to "run
> with it". If any assistance is needed, such as printing of handouts,
> ensuring that the video projector is available, etc., she'll take care of
> that, but the content and format of the presentation are the entire
> responsibility of the individual. She will request a title for the
> presentation and a brief description of the material to be covered, which
> will be published in pre-convention announcements and in the schedule.
>
> Come presentation time, there's a sort of formal protocol for introduction of
> the speaker, etc., but it's still the presenter's show. His choice of
> whether questions are held to the end or thrown out at any time, etc. A
> note here: In my 15 years experience in GMCMI, I've never known anyone to
> be aggressive, abusive, nor disrespectful to a presenter -- aside from the
> unavoidable "back of the room buzz" that's usually squelched easily. While
> the audience is always inquisitive and wants to know all about the subject
> in perhaps annoying detail it's not abusive in any way. There's almost
> always a Q&A session, during which some few individuals may ramble on too
> long, the presenter or the moderator generally controls that well.
>
> After the presentation, it's over. No one comes begging for handouts nor
> permission to publish, nor seeking a written synopsis for posting. If the
> presenter wants one of those things to happen, he must initiate it. Most
> are not sufficiently confident that they did well enough to want the
> material preserved -- not to mention that it's not in a publish-ready
> format. Basically, it doesn't happen.
>
> It should be obvious from the above that the Convention Manager, as well
> as the membership in general, is always more than glad to have volunteers,
> whether to present, or to offer material to present, or even just ideas.
> She sometimes becomes sort of desperate -- why else would she allow one
> individual to have done 4 discrete events at Montgomery? Don't complain --
> Volunteer.
>
> As to video recording of presentations for later sharing with
> non-attending members, to obviate the need for written documentation,
> it's not nearly as simple as just setting up a camera on a tripod. It
> would require special lighting equipment (adding to the already voluminous
> hardware we haul from convention to convention (20 each 4'x4'x4' crates)),
> and someone to set up, tear down, maintain and control that equipment. We
> CANNOT depend on the ambient lighting at any specific location to be
> suitable. In fact, at Montgomery, Dave Lenzi had a very elaborate mock-up
> to demonstrate the performance of various booster and MC combinations. To
> enable the audience to see details during those demonstrations, a video
> camera and portable lighting was used to project images on a large
> screen. Frankly, it was a minor disaster. The amateur videographer and
> lighting manager were not able to focus on the pertinent areas and
> illuminate them well enough to provide more than fragmentary information,
> and a lot of valuable presentation time was wasted attempting to do so. To
> have recorded the entire presentation would have been virtually worthless.
>
> For a couple of GMCES rallies, Ken Burton did actual live video
> broadcasts, perhaps an even more challenging task than merely recording.
> I'll leave the details of why he no longer does that to him, if he cares
> to comment, but the fact that he abandoned it speaks volumes.
>
> In summary, no one likes the fact that valuable technical information is
> "lost", but it's not intentional on anyone's part; it's just the way the
> volunteer world works. Perhaps we can do better, and most of the
> membership, officers included, are more than willing to try. But any ideas
> should be sent formally to GMCMI, not just thrown out into the wind of
> GMCNet or other forums, and certainly not in a disparaging way. GMCMI
> membership is dropping, as is that of most organizations, especially in the
> RV world, so anything that can be done to promote the organization will be
> considered.
>
> If anyone has material they'd like to offer for presentation, such as your
> video, Jim, I'm sure we can find someone to manage that. As a start, if
> you have such material, let me know. I'll be glad to present it to the
> Convention Manager -- despite the danger that she'll brow-beat me into
> fashioning a presentation around it myself. :-)
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken "Just Another GMCMI Member" H.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan Update [message #245532 is a reply to message #245519] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 13:04 |
Ken Henderson
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Reading what came out of the "hold box" where my latest wound up for being
too long, I realized that I still didn't really make the pertinent point:
While one may criticize GMCMI for not being proactive and making
information available to the general public, or even to non-attending
members, it should not be criticized for "hoarding" information -- it DOES
NOT. As I described, presenters prepare their own materials in their
preferred formats and dispose of it as they choose. GMCMI does NOT impose
any restrictions on what authors do with their material. They create it,
they own it, they dispose of it. Some may ALLOW it to be posted on GMCMI's
web site. Or they may self-distribute it, or put it on some other web
site. GMCMI doesn't care -- facilitating its presentation to convention
attendees is GMCMI's only interest.
Another comment on such material, to illustrate the near-worthlessness of
most: Dale Ropp gave an abbreviated version of the rear suspension
demonstration/explanation which he and Dick Serren have given many times.
I followed with a critique of the design to point out that there are a lot
of more recent innovations which people should consider, including disc
brakes, different single and multiple air bags, and reaction arm brake
controls. For my portion, I had about 15 slides,of which 5-6 were just
"bullets" -- notes mostly to remind me of what to talk about next -- no
real information was conveyed by them. Following each of those me-created
slides were items plagiarized from other places: the "Available Air Bags"
chart someone prepared; CAD drawings from Norm Jestico, Rick Flannigan, and
Tom Pryor to show those reaction arm systems; photos from their web
sitesof TSM's, Applied GMC's, and Cadillac's disc brakes. There was
no new
information, merely a consolidation of a little of that available to
familiarize newbies with things to look into. I'll be glad to send that
PowerPoint presentation to anyon,e who wants to see it, post it, have it
for lunch, or whatever -- but it will be a waste of electrons, IMHO.
Similarly, two of the presented slides were printed by GMCMI for me to use
as handouts. I handed out the "Available..." one because it couldn't be
read on screen and I thought some might want it for later reference, or for
note-taking space. The other was merely a comparison of the various disc
brake systems for those completely in the dark. I suspect most of that
paper went directly in the trash; the vast majority of the rest will wind
up back home in a "vertical file" awaiting the kids' decision as to what
goes in the trash and what goes in the estate sale.
So, if you feel the need to accuse someone of hoarding/hiding information,
aim at the "creators" not the facilitators.
Ken H.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> I hate to restart the out-of-control discussion of GMCMI seminars and
>> documentation/preservation thereof. But, I don't think there's a
>> sufficient understanding of the situation and the difficulty of satisfying
>> everyone.
>> ...
>>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan Update [message #245540 is a reply to message #245532] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 14:04 |
Don A
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So well said Ken. Thanks
and thankks for your moderated presentations.
Ya'll come to the rallys/conventions and volunteer!!
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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