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| We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69390] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 19:39  |
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WD0AFQ
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Location: Dexter, Mo.
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Saying thanks just does not seem enough for what Bob de Kruyff and Jeff Willard did for Teri and me today.
We had 2 problems. Rear brakes were not adjusted and the rear master cyl. was not working. We were trying to stop this beast with fronts only, not fun at all. Bob brought the M/C and he determined as soon as he drove it that it was not working on either front or back. We jacked up rear and had ZERO braking there. Replaced M/C. While adjusting the rears Jeff found a leaking line. It was cracked at the end of the flare that butts up to the wheel cylinder. Fixed that, in 2 hours, bled them good and adjusted the rest of the rears. We Got Brakes and very good ones. I am sure that we gradually lost braking and I never noticed until the M/C quit and I could not stop in Dallas last Friday night.
Bob did 400 miles to help us and Jeff 100. We all went to supper in Duncan and they departed. What good folks drive GMC motorhomes. I am also very thankful to all those online that helped me, especially Ken Burton.
Now, we can continue to Quartzsite in a few days.
I hope I can repay this good deed by helping others. Never be afraid to call a Blacklist GMC owner or get on this net and cry for help.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I will have a few pictures on our blog later this evening.
Dan and Teri
3 In Stainless Exhaust Headers
One Ton All Discs/Reaction Arm
355 FD/Quad Bag/Alum Radiator Manny Tran/New eng.
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| Re: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69391 is a reply to message #69390] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 19:47  |
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USAussie
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Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Dan,
GREAT!
You forgot to mention one thing; you've learned a lot about the brake system
which will help you "repay this good deed by helping others."
Have a safe trip to Quartzsite!
All the best,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Gregg
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:40 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back
Saying thanks just does not seem enough for what Bob de Kruyff and Jeff
Willard did for Teri and me today.
We had 2 problems. Rear brakes were not adjusted and the rear master cyl.
was not working. We were trying to stop this beast with fronts only, not fun
at all. Bob brought the M/C and he determined as soon as he drove it that it
was not working on either front or back. We jacked up rear and had ZERO
braking there. Replaced M/C. While adjusting the rears Jeff found a leaking
line. It was cracked at the end of the flare that butts up to the wheel
cylinder. Fixed that, in 2 hours, bled them good and adjusted the rest of
the rears. We Got Brakes and very good ones. I am sure that we gradually
lost braking and I never noticed until the M/C quit and I could not stop in
Dallas last Friday night.
Bob did 400 miles to help us and Jeff 100. We all went to supper in Duncan
and they departed. What good folks drive GMC motorhomes. I am also very
thankful to all those online that helped me, especially Ken Burton.
Now, we can continue to Quartzsite in a few days.
I hope I can repay this good deed by helping others. Never be afraid to call
a Blacklist GMC owner or get on this net and cry for help.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I will have a few pictures on our blog later this evening.
Dan and Teri
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Dan & Teri Gregg
danandteri.blogspot.com
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69393 is a reply to message #69390] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 19:53 |
jwillard
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Silver City, NM
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You guys are more than welcome. It was fun meeting you and Terri as well as Bob. A fun way to spend a Saturday afternoon. Thanks again for dinner and we'll cook something when you come up here next week.
Jeff Willard
Silver City, NM
1973 ex-Glacier
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| Re: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69399 is a reply to message #69390] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 20:15 |
Dennis S
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Dan
Great news!
Now if Mike would check in and tell us if he drove home safely to WIsconsin from Houston.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown,
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 7:39 pm
Subject: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back
Saying thanks just does not seem enough for what Bob de Kruyff and Jeff Willard
id for Teri and me today.
e had 2 problems. Rear brakes were not adjusted and the rear master cyl. was
ot working. We were trying to stop this beast with fronts only, not fun at all.
ob brought the M/C and he determined as soon as he drove it that it was not
orking on either front or back. We jacked up rear and had ZERO braking there.
eplaced M/C. While adjusting the rears Jeff found a leaking line. It was
racked at the end of the flare that butts up to the wheel cylinder. Fixed that,
n 2 hours, bled them good and adjusted the rest of the rears. We Got Brakes and
ery good ones. I am sure that we gradually lost braking and I never noticed
ntil the M/C quit and I could not stop in Dallas last Friday night.
ob did 400 miles to help us and Jeff 100. We all went to supper in Duncan and
hey departed. What good folks drive GMC motorhomes. I am also very thankful to
ll those online that helped me, especially Ken Burton.
ow, we can continue to Quartzsite in a few days.
hope I can repay this good deed by helping others. Never be afraid to call a
lacklist GMC owner or get on this net and cry for help.
hank you, Thank you, Thank you.
will have a few pictures on our blog later this evening.
an and Teri
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an & Teri Gregg
danandteri.blogspot.com
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69407 is a reply to message #69390] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 21:15 |
Dennis S
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Dan,
Just looked at the pictures -- thanks.
Would be very helpful if you and Bob could tell us why he knew so quickly that the master cylinder was bad.
Dennis
| WD0AFQ wrote on Sat, 02 January 2010 19:39 |
Saying thanks just does not seem enough for what Bob de Kruyff and Jeff Willard did for Teri and me today.
We had 2 problems. Rear brakes were not adjusted and the rear master cyl. was not working. We were trying to stop this beast with fronts only, not fun at all. Bob brought the M/C and he determined as soon as he drove it that it was not working on either front or back. We jacked up rear and had ZERO braking there. Replaced M/C. While adjusting the rears Jeff found a leaking line. It was cracked at the end of the flare that butts up to the wheel cylinder. Fixed that, in 2 hours, bled them good and adjusted the rest of the rears. We Got Brakes and very good ones. I am sure that we gradually lost braking and I never noticed until the M/C quit and I could not stop in Dallas last Friday night.
Bob did 400 miles to help us and Jeff 100. We all went to supper in Duncan and they departed. What good folks drive GMC motorhomes. I am also very thankful to all those online that helped me, especially Ken Burton.
Now, we can continue to Quartzsite in a few days.
I hope I can repay this good deed by helping others. Never be afraid to call a Blacklist GMC owner or get on this net and cry for help.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I will have a few pictures on our blog later this evening.
Dan and Teri
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69417 is a reply to message #69403] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 22:23 |
jimk
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Great, it's not as simple as it seems. Seldem does both front and back go out.
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Yea, Dennis, I been wondering about him too. He had some kind of brake issue.
> The pictures are on the blog.
> See you next week Jeff.
> Dan
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> Dan & Teri Gregg
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> danandteri.blogspot.com
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69418 is a reply to message #69390] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 22:27 |
Chr$
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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That's good news. Thank heavens that the problem happened gradually and not instantly! Sounds like Bob knows his brakes. Glad your coach is safe now.
I had an interesting saturday too. So while the tranny is out, I decide to pickup a Diesel gasket set. this set is much thicker than the stock, and it has an alum or steel insert. It fits 95% perfectly, but you have to cut two tabs off the front of the side gaskets so they clear the front motor mount.
The front gasket is rubber and has a pilot nub that lines up with a hole. the rear does not, but it is formed with little tabs for the side gaskets to slot into. Nice.
I don't think this motor has ever been cracked in 115K miles. Other than the dirty oil, the cylinder bores look nice and I didn't see anything worrying. I was surprised to see only two bolt main caps. Thought this mill had four.
What a pain, had to pull the steering bar and the flexplate. I had a little scare when one of the tie rod ends mushroomed a bit from the gear puller. I had to use the one that has the cup on the end of the drive bolt. Luckily it is a 1/2-24 (I think) thread and I was able to run a die over it to clean the end up.
I drained 8 quarts of oil out of the beast! She's all filled up with fresh oil now and clean sheet of cardboard underneath (leak telltale) and waiting for tomorrow's trans lifting. Should be another one of those days.
Now I remember why I no longer work on my own cars!
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69421 is a reply to message #69418] |
Sat, 02 January 2010 23:09 |
Ken Burton
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Let me understand. With the trans out and the front motor mount still in place you were able to pull the engine oil pan.
Having never done this myself I'm just trying to understand what is possible.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69449 is a reply to message #69393] |
Sun, 03 January 2010 10:53 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""You guys are more than welcome. It was fun meeting you and Terri as well as Bob. A fun way to spend a Saturday afternoon. Thanks again for dinner and we'll cook something when you come up here next week. ""
It was fun. Working on one of these is always more gratifying with others. Enjoyed meeting you Jeff and hope to see you again.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69453 is a reply to message #69407] |
Sun, 03 January 2010 11:04 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Dan,
Just looked at the pictures -- thanks.
Would be very helpful if you and Bob could tell us why he knew so quickly that the master cylinder was bad.
Dennis""
When half of the sytem isn't "pumping" you can feel one of the pistons bottom out when you depress the pedal--it's subtle but once you've experienced it before, you'll recognize it right away. However, that alone doesn't necessarily mean it's the M/C since other things such as lack of fluid or a broken line can cause the same feel. In this case there was no dramatic fluid loss or leak so the only thing left was the M/C--we could spin the rear wheels freely with the pedal fully depressed. We did find as small leak at one of rear lines once we got full pressure. The rears needed adjusting as well, but that was just the icing on the cake. This coach has strong brakes in a stock configuration!
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69454 is a reply to message #69408] |
Sun, 03 January 2010 11:12 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Dennis, I will wait for Bob to get home and reply. He is the man.
I just busted the entry door latch now. Have to hold it tight and lock it to get it to hold. Maybe I can disassemble it tomorrow and figure out what broke.
Thanks again for all of the help from everyone on the net. A problem such as this is a minor one as long as you are working on someone else's coach. But, when it is my own, seems it is always a major one.
Dan ""
I just looked at the pics this morning and I have to say it really was fun. Besides, it is a nice drive and I do enjoy driving!! I did get pulled over for speeding but talked the sheriff out of a ticket 
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69456 is a reply to message #69453] |
Sun, 03 January 2010 11:41 |
Dennis S
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Bob,
Thanks. Do not recall anyone ever mentioning that before.
Dennis
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:04 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back
""Dan,
ust looked at the pictures -- thanks.
ould be very helpful if you and Bob could tell us why he knew so quickly that
he master cylinder was bad.
Dennis""
When half of the sytem isn't "pumping" you can feel one of the pistons bottom
ut when you depress the pedal--it's subtle but once you've experienced it
efore, you'll recognize it right away. However, that alone doesn't necessarily
ean it's the M/C since other things such as lack of fluid or a broken line can
ause the same feel. In this case there was no dramatic fluid loss or leak so
he only thing left was the M/C--we could spin the rear wheels freely with the
edal fully depressed. We did find as small leak at one of rear lines once we
ot full pressure. The rears needed adjusting as well, but that was just the
cing on the cake. This coach has strong brakes in a stock configuration!
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ob de Kruyff
8 Eleganza
handler, AZ
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73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] We Have Our Brakes Back [message #69507 is a reply to message #69472] |
Sun, 03 January 2010 17:49 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Dan--you're giving me a lot more credit than is due!! BTW Jeff is a true car guy and is right up there with the best! It's such a small world in that he almost went to GMI like I did. He went a different route, but I could tell right away he's a not only a neat guy, but a great asset to the GMC community!
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Thanks a lot. It was a fun afternoon. YOu'll need to come by here one day when you feel like a drive.