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Sat, 05 December 2009 13:28  |
David L Greenberg
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A quick count shows 49 stretched coaches in the Registry. I was surprised
at the number!
Dave G
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:35:03 -0500 John Wright <powerjon@chartermi.net>
writes:
> I just got off the phone with Max Pardy who worked for Clarence
> Buskirk for a long time. He says that they built 8 stretch coaches
>
> over the years.
>
> They build 4 stretches when they were at the old shop which is now
>
> Cinnabar business place.
>
> One went to a guy in Wisconsin
> One went to a guy in California
> One is still here is Michigan
> One is not accounted for
>
> At the New shop they build 4.
>
> One is in Indiana
> One is in Tennessee
> One is in Texas
> and the last one is in New Mexico
>
>
> The frame was stretched with 9" added in front of the rear bogies
> and
> the rest behind to make it a proportional stretch. It made it look
>
> like a 26" on steroids. If you planning to do a stretch you will
> need
> to have a donor coach for body parts and frame parts.
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC GreatLaker
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
> 1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> Michigan
>
>
>
> >
> > Does anybody know how many Clarence did & where are they now?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's a series of photographs that show how Clarence did them!
> >
> > http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/buskirk/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob Mueller
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> >
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Stretch Info Needed
> >
> > Is there any info - pros or cons about stretching a 26' to 29 1/2'
> -
> > 30'?
> > Any literature, drawings etc. available? I want to stretch the
> 26'
> > Avion in
> > the center. Anyone been there, done that? Thanks in advance for
> you
> > advice.
> >
> > Lanny Young
> > Kingsland, Tx.
> > '77 E II - 26' Restored
> > '75 Avion - 26'
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stretch Info Needed [message #66832 is a reply to message #66816] |
Sat, 05 December 2009 19:40  |
Jim White[1]
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Here's what I read-
"The frame was stretched with 9" added in front of the rear bogies and
the rest behind to make it a proportional stretch."
I didn't read that as a reference point.
Jim
Not exactly a reference point
John Wright wrote:
> The 9" refers to the point where they sectioned the frame and added
> the extra length to the frame rails in the original stretches. In
> the later coaches new one piece rail were used in the construction of
> the frames as shown in the pictures. It was a REFERENCE POINT ONLY
> and other than that it has no importance in setting the actual wheel
> base of the coaches. It has nothing to do with the approximate 20
> inches that the wheel base was moved out to.
>
> J.R. Wright
>
> On Dec 5, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Jim White wrote:
>
>
>> John-
>> I've seen all of the pictures and fully understand what is involved,
>> but
>> you didn't answer my question. How do you add 9" to the frame in
>> front
>> of the bogies, and increase the wheel base 20 inches+-?????
>> Let's stick with that point-
>> Jim "Doc" White
>> Wintergreen, VA
>> 75 GMC Stretch (with original wheel base)
>>
>> John Wright wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>> In a stretch we are really increasing the overall length, we are not
>>> radically changing the wheelbase or in some cases not at all. In a
>>> Buskirk stretch the over all WHEELBASE is increased by about 20"+/-.
>>> When you look at the pictures: http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/buskirk/
>>> Look at the spacing between the entry door and the front of the
>>> rear wheel well. Notice the difference between the stock and the
>>> stretch. Clarence B. was very particular on wheel base compared to
>>> over all length. He tried to balance the load on the axles as the
>>> overall coach weight was increased. Granted there are a large number
>>> of stretches that have been done out there with the longest one
>>> that I
>>> know of being the coach done by Ron Tasse in 1998 at about +31' which
>>> is now owned by a GMC Great Laker, but remember you asked about
>>> Buskirk Stretches. Vast majority of the stretches have been done by
>>> adding the extra length behind the rear axle without changing the
>>> wheelbase. Here is a link to how that is done. <http://www.gmcmidwestclassics.org/Web%20pages/stretch.htm
>>>
>>>> To Clarence B. this was a NO NO and he thought it overloaded rear
>>>>
>>> frame and unbalanced the coach and that was his personal opinion
>>> others may vary. I don't really care how someone stretches their
>>> coach as long as their happy, I was trying to explain how Buskirk did
>>> it. If I was to do a stretch coach I would do it the same way
>>> Clarence B. did it and that would be my personal choice.
>>>
>>> J.R. Wright
>>> GMC GreatLaker
>>> TZE Zone Restorations
>>> 77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
>>> 1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>>> Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John-
>>>> Not to be argumentative but I think we are saying the same thing.
>>>> If
>>>> you add 9" of frame in front of the rear bogies, doesn't that
>>>> increase
>>>> the wheel base by 9". Anything added behind the rear bogies would
>>>> not
>>>> increase the wheel base.
>>>> My point is, why pay thousands more to tear up a coach just to add
>>>> the
>>>> 9" in front of the rear bogies, when adding two feet at the rear
>>>> cost a
>>>> fraction of that procedure? My stretch job was completed without
>>>> damaging anything in front of the rear bedroom.
>>>> Would the additional 9" in wheel base make that much improvement?
>>>> Jim
>>>> BTW- I respect Buskirk's work, I just question the additional
>>>> expense.
>>>>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stretch Info Needed [message #66848 is a reply to message #66816] |
Sun, 06 December 2009 12:04 |
storm'n
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Dave Didn't Linwood sell that stretch ? Was asking a very resonable price for it.
Norm
<
If the coach is Transmode TZE366V101163, now owned by the Haire's, it was
listed as a 30" stretch
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:29:44 -0600 Billy Massey <bdub.bdub@gmail.com>
writes:
> That'd be Linwood Arthur's coach.
> http://www.gmcclassics.com/tech/larthur/lauther-rebuild.pdf
>
> bdub
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > A man in Texas did his own,added 42" & moved the bogies back 20"
> . Moved the Onan ahead to under the kitchen window. Also raised the
> body 2 1/2" for larger gas tanks & holding tank.
> >
> >
> >
> > So the conclusion is that the wheelbase increase is only 9"?
> Looks like
> > a lot more than that. Mine was stretched 2' in the rear behind
> the
> > bedroom windows, which allows full size beds parallel to the sides
> and a
> > center aisle between the beds.
> > The difference in expense would be considerable and not sure it
> would be
> > worth it for a 9" longer wheelbase. What would be the advantage
> to
> > justify that additional expense?
> > Would you ask Max if he can get access to the TZE numbers of the
> coaches
> > they stretched?
> > Thanks-
> > Jim "Doc" White
> > Wintergreen, VA
> > 75 GMC Stretch (not by Buskirk)
> > ************************
> > John Wright wrote:
> >> I just got off the phone with Max Pardy who worked for Clarence
> >> Buskirk for a long time. He says that they built 8 stretch
> coaches
> >> over the years.
> >>
> >> They build 4 stretches when they were at the old shop which is
> now
> >> Cinnabar business place.
> >>
> >> One went to a guy in Wisconsin
> >> One went to a guy in California
> >> One is still here is Michigan
> >> One is not accounted for
> >>
> >> At the New shop they build 4.
> >>
> >> One is in Indiana
> >> One is in Tennessee
> >> One is in Texas
> >> and the last one is in New Mexico
> >>
> >>
> >> The frame was stretched with 9" added in front of the rear
> bogies and
> >> the rest behind to make it a proportional stretch. It made it
> look
> >> like a 26" on steroids. If you planning to do a stretch you will
> need
> >> to have a donor coach for body parts and frame parts.
> >>
> >> J.R. Wright
> >> GMC GreatLaker
> >> TZE Zone Restorations
> >> 77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
> >> 1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> >> Michigan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Does anybody know how many Clarence did & where are they now?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here's a series of photographs that show how Clarence did them!
> >>>
> >>> http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/buskirk/
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Rob Mueller
> >>> Sydney, Australia
> >>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> >>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> >>>
> >>> Subject: [GMCnet] Stretch Info Needed
> >>>
> >>> Is there any info - pros or cons about stretching a 26' to 29
> 1/2' -
> >>> 30'?
> >>> Any literature, drawings etc. available? I want to stretch the
> 26'
> >>> Avion in
> >>> the center. Anyone been there, done that? Thanks in advance
> for you
> >>> advice.
> >>>
> >>> Lanny Young
> >>> Kingsland, Tx.
> >>> '77 E II - 26' Restored
> >>> '75 Avion - 26'
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stretch Info Needed [message #66854 is a reply to message #66816] |
Sun, 06 December 2009 14:46 |
David L Greenberg
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:04:03 -0800 (PST) Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com>
writes:
> Dave Didn't Linwood sell that stretch ? Was asking a very resonable
> price for it.
> Norm
> <
Yes, it is now owned by the Haire's
Dave
>
> If the coach is Transmode TZE366V101163, now owned by the Haire's,
> it was
> listed as a 30" stretch
>
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:29:44 -0600 Billy Massey
> <bdub.bdub@gmail.com>
> writes:
> > That'd be Linwood Arthur's coach.
> > http://www.gmcclassics.com/tech/larthur/lauther-rebuild.pdf
> >
> > bdub
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A man in Texas did his own,added 42" & moved the bogies back
> 20"
> > . Moved the Onan ahead to under the kitchen window. Also raised
> the
> > body 2 1/2" for larger gas tanks & holding tank.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So the conclusion is that the wheelbase increase is only 9"?
> > Looks like
> > > a lot more than that. Mine was stretched 2' in the rear behind
>
> > the
> > > bedroom windows, which allows full size beds parallel to the
> sides
> > and a
> > > center aisle between the beds.
> > > The difference in expense would be considerable and not sure it
>
> > would be
> > > worth it for a 9" longer wheelbase. What would be the advantage
>
> > to
> > > justify that additional expense?
> > > Would you ask Max if he can get access to the TZE numbers of the
>
> > coaches
> > > they stretched?
> > > Thanks-
> > > Jim "Doc" White
> > > Wintergreen, VA
> > > 75 GMC Stretch (not by Buskirk)
> > > ************************
> > > John Wright wrote:
> > >> I just got off the phone with Max Pardy who worked for
> Clarence
> > >> Buskirk for a long time. He says that they built 8 stretch
> > coaches
> > >> over the years.
> > >>
> > >> They build 4 stretches when they were at the old shop which is
>
> > now
> > >> Cinnabar business place.
> > >>
> > >> One went to a guy in Wisconsin
> > >> One went to a guy in California
> > >> One is still here is Michigan
> >> One is not accounted for
> > >>
> > >> At the New shop they build 4.
> > >>
> > >> One is in Indiana
> > >> One is in Tennessee
> > >> One is in Texas
> > >> and the last one is in New Mexico
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The frame was stretched with 9" added in front of the rear
> > bogies and
> > >> the rest behind to make it a proportional stretch. It made it
>
> > look
> > >> like a 26" on steroids. If you planning to do a stretch you
> will
> > need
> > >> to have a donor coach for body parts and frame parts.
> > >>
> > >> J.R. Wright
> > >> GMC GreatLaker
> > >> TZE Zone Restorations
> > >> 77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
> > >> 1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> > >> Michigan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Does anybody know how many Clarence did & where are they now?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Here's a series of photographs that show how Clarence did
> them!
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/buskirk/
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Rob Mueller
> > >>> Sydney, Australia
> > >>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > >>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: [GMCnet] Stretch Info Needed
> > >>>
> > >>> Is there any info - pros or cons about stretching a 26' to 29
>
> > 1/2' -
> > >>> 30'?
> > >>> Any literature, drawings etc. available? I want to stretch
> the
> > 26'
> > >>> Avion in
> > >>> the center. Anyone been there, done that? Thanks in advance
>
> > for you
> > >>> advice.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lanny Young
> > >>> Kingsland, Tx.
> > >>> '77 E II - 26' Restored
> > >>> '75 Avion - 26'
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> GMCnet mailing list
> > >> List Information and Subscription Options:
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
>
>
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