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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65642 is a reply to message #65640] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 12:38   |
k2gkk
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Just thought of another possible problem, especially considering
the age of these vehicles; voltage drops along the conductors
feeding the light! Measure the actual voltage arriving at
the headlamp bulbs themselves. You can do this fairly easily
(assuming you can access the connections to the lamps).
1. Turn on headlamps.
2. Pull the connector off the lamp just enough to expose a small
portion of the blades of the lamp.
3. Measure the voltage.
4. With engine and charging system off, you should see 12.6V DC
with a good and charged battery.
5. It should be around 14.2-14.5 Volts with engine running and
charging system operating correctly.
6. If voltage is not up to snuff at headlamps, check for the same
voltages at your battery.
7. If bad at steps 4 and 5, but good at step 6, you need to replace
the headlamp wiring. Don't be surprised if this is the case.
8. If bad at 4, 5, & 6, fix charging system, replace battery, etc.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Oklahoma City, OK
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> From: k2gkk@hotmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:20:27 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
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> Although I don't (yet) own a GMC coach, the lights look to me
> to be the standard sealed beam lamps of that era.
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> These are made in brighter halogen versions to replace the old
> standard lamps with incandescent filaments. These can be found
> in ANY autoparts store and would be a cheap upgrade.
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> The rectangular driving lights are also available at any normal
> autoparts store. HOWEVER, they are normally made for HORIZONTAL
> mounting only, so mounting them vertically as shown in the photo
> would give a "fan" beam that is narrow in the horizontal direction
> and very wide in the vertical direction. This is likely to gain
> the user undying enmity from drivers coming toward him at night!!!
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> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Oklahoma City, OK
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: bobsgmc@mts.net
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:48:55 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
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> Jay
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> I'm having a bit of problems with what comes up on the Canadian Tire link and what the pictures show on your GMC. What is the Canadian Tire part number of the lights you used. The low beams on my GMC are the equivalent of two candles and I am interested in something a bit brighter.
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> Jay wrote
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> "Here is the lights my Buddy Russ and I bought right off the shelve, I run my signal lights in the head lights and Russ has a nice little set in his grill.
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> http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/AutoParts/DrivingLights/PRDOVR~0203594P/Halogen%2BChrome%2BLamp%2BSet.jsp
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> Installed Pictures:
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=31229
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> Bob Horton
> Brandon, Manitoba
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65644 is a reply to message #65640] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 12:44 |
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mike miller
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| k2gkk wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 10:20 |
... The rectangular driving lights are also available at any normal
autoparts store. HOWEVER, they are normally made for HORIZONTAL
mounting only, so mounting them vertically as shown in the photo
would give a "fan" beam that is narrow in the horizontal direction and very wide in the vertical direction. ...
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The posted pictures are rotated 90*. These show the whole front end. The lights are mounted correctly.
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=31231>
I am a fan of this mod, but do not think much of using the city lights as turn signals... unless you never drive with the headlights on.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65662 is a reply to message #65624] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 15:32 |
Don A
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Two questions Jay
How did you get the signal lamps in the headlights? Your modification or purchased?
And how did you wire the driving lights up. Off of the high beam of the head lamps or totally indenpendent?
I like the clean look of your install.
Thanks
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
[IMG]http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6109/G2.jpg[/IMG]
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65666 is a reply to message #65644] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 16:26 |
k2gkk
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Okay, I admit to having gotten disoriented with that picture
being rotated 90 degrees from true.
A better solution to the turn signal problem would be to find
one of the flat-mount, rectangular, amber LED combo running
and turn signal lights that can sometimes be found in stores
that cater to trailers in general. The draw VERY low current,
last far longer than your coach will, and are ERXTREMELY bright!
From what I saw in the picture, it appears that the "standard"
lights that are mounted on the coach are NOT sealed beams. I
remember some headlights in Germany back in the late 60s that
had an amber bulb in the headlight's reflector.
There is always the possibility, though, that I have been
once again confused as to what I am looking at!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Oklahoma City, OK
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: m000035@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:44:37 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
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> k2gkk wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 10:20
>> ... The rectangular driving lights are also available at any normal
>> autoparts store. HOWEVER, they are normally made for HORIZONTAL
>> mounting only, so mounting them vertically as shown in the photo
>> would give a "fan" beam that is narrow in the horizontal direction and very wide in the vertical direction. ...
>
>
> The posted pictures are rotated 90*. These show the whole front end. The lights are mounted correctly.
> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=31231>
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> I am a fan of this mod, but do not think much of using the city lights as turn signals... unless you never drive with the headlights on.
> --
> Mike Miller
> `73 26' X Painted D.
> `78 23' Birchaven
> Hillsboro, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65669 is a reply to message #65601] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 16:46 |
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ljdavick
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From an earlier thread I think they were referred to as "City Lights" - the headlamps with an added small bulb. Like these on ebay:
< http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/7-H6024-6014-H4-EURO-STYLE-HEADLIGHTS-WITH-CITY-LIGHTS_W0QQitemZ330303133587QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_A ccessories?hash=item4ce799d793>
or
http://tinyurl.com/yhkrw3o
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
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From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:26:50 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
Okay, I admit to having gotten disoriented with that picture
being rotated 90 degrees from true.
A better solution to the turn signal problem would be to find
one of the flat-mount, rectangular, amber LED combo running
and turn signal lights that can sometimes be found in stores
that cater to trailers in general. The draw VERY low current,
last far longer than your coach will, and are ERXTREMELY bright!
From what I saw in the picture, it appears that the "standard"
lights that are mounted on the coach are NOT sealed beams. I
remember some headlights in Germany back in the late 60s that
had an amber bulb in the headlight's reflector.
There is always the possibility, though, that I have been
once again confused as to what I am looking at!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Oklahoma City, OK
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: m000035@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:44:37 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
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> k2gkk wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 10:20
>> ... The rectangular driving lights are also available at any normal
>> autoparts store. HOWEVER, they are normally made for HORIZONTAL
>> mounting only, so mounting them vertically as shown in the photo
>> would give a "fan" beam that is narrow in the horizontal direction and very wide in the vertical direction. ...
>
>
> The posted pictures are rotated 90*. These show the whole front end. The lights are mounted correctly.
> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=31231>
>
> I am a fan of this mod, but do not think much of using the city lights as turn signals... unless you never drive with the headlights on.
> --
> Mike Miller
> `73 26' X Painted D.
> `78 23' Birchaven
> Hillsboro, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65678 is a reply to message #65669] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 18:47 |
Don A
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Thanks Jay
Ok two more questions.
Mike; "I am a fan of this mod, but do not think much of using the city lights as turn signals" why not?
And Mac. Seems like they are not sealed beams, but like new cars. "A better solution to the turn signal problem would be to find one of the flat-mount, rectangular, amber LED combo running
and turn signal lights" why better?
Thanks
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
[IMG]http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6109/G2.jpg[/IMG]
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65685 is a reply to message #65678] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 19:34 |
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mike miller
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| Don A wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 16:47 |
... Mike; "I am a fan of this mod, but do not think much of using the city lights as turn signals" why not?
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1. City lights are for use on lit up streets in European cities to light the headlights to indicate the car maybe moving (not parking) without the full powered headlights that cause glare. While a good idea, I do not think they are legal to be used this way in the US.
2. Many cars have the turn signals next to the headlights. When the lights are on, the turn signals are harder to see. (With daylight running lights that is most of the time.)
SO... When running your headlights, the little bulb INSIDE the headlight would be very hard for someone else to see. I am not sure how "the MAN" would see it... I suspect many (in a bad mood) would use it as an excuse to stop you and give you a ticket. -- Regardless if it is legal or not.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion [message #65689 is a reply to message #65684] |
Wed, 25 November 2009 19:45 |
k2gkk
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No, more like those on eBay listed below.
Preferred, are the ones that mount flush with
just two screw holes plus one small hole for
the THREE leads which are common, marker,
and turn.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Oklahoma City, OK
2000 Cedar Creek 30'
2000 FLTRSEI Screamin' Eagle Road Glide
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> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:25:13 +0000
> From: ljdavick@comcast.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
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> Rectangular amber combo's - something like these?
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> <http://www.autoanything.com/lights/69A2157A0A0.aspx?kc=ffproduct>
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> or
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> http://tinyurl.com/yhmd5s6
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Adams" <dj.adams@att.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:47:22 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Turn Signal / Driving Light Conversion
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> Thanks Jay
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> Ok two more questions.
>
> Mike; "I am a fan of this mod, but do not think much of using the city lights as turn signals" why not?
>
> And Mac. Seems like they are not sealed beams, but like new cars. "A better solution to the turn signal problem would be to find one of the flat-mount, rectangular, amber LED combo running
> and turn signal lights" why better?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Don
>
> - 67 Datsun 2000
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> - 78 Suzuki 400
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| Re: [GMCnet] $230.00 [message #65723 is a reply to message #65699] |
Thu, 26 November 2009 07:41 |
Mike Kilroy
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I bought my PIAAa (French I believe) for our GMC around 1974 (it is a
'73), I preferred the non combo - just driving lites. On a trip thru
flat Tx I remember being able to see 2 sets of mile marker posts in
front of me with those babies on! I believe I paid around $ 250 for
them back then also. I have never had a set of driving lites since that
even come close to liting up the road like my PIAAs! After the GMC
became more idle I took them off and put them on each new Van, car I
owned until fairly recently. One fun time was when I was pulled over by
OH state police for a random safety check. Had these on my full size
ford van. Man said lites on, I did. He said brights on (had them wired
to turn on with brites of course), I did - he jumped back and shouted
"Holy Sh_T! Turn them off!" I passed. They are in my workshop waiting
next use - still look as nice as the day I bought them. Bestest $ 250 I
spent on an auto acc. in my life probably - only behind my Valentine
radar detector which cost more actually.
On 11/25/2009 9:53 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
> Those are NOT parking/running lights.
> They are combined high intensity fog
> and long-range driving lights.
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