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Sun, 15 November 2009 18:59  |
Jim Haglund
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As a fairly new owner..... Up to now I have been able to level the motorhome
with the air bags in the back. But I would like to know the procedure to
level the rear end beyond the limits of the air bags. Do you need to raise
both tires equally on same side? What material and size, etc?
Thanks in advance
Jim Haglund
"76" Palm Beach
Olympia, WA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64382 is a reply to message #64378] |
Sun, 15 November 2009 19:31  |
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I'll do my best to explain the system that I use for getting level beyond the air bags capability.....I cut 2x6 boards 24" long, 18" long and 12" long......I then cut a 45degree angle on one end but you could cut both ends with the same result as this is done to make driving onto easier........
then I drill two or three 3/8" pilot holes in each board and install studs to keep the boards aligned when driving onto.........the 24" board on bottom, the 18" next and the 12" board on the top if needed.......be sure the studs are installed in the upper board and slip into the board below it........if the studs were installed in the lower boards a flat tire would happen if all three boards were not used......
........I 'm sure there are more professional ways to accomplish this and I'll be interested to see and learn how others do it..............
Mike Stewart
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64384 is a reply to message #64378] |
Sun, 15 November 2009 19:40 |
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| Jim Haglund wrote on Sun, 15 November 2009 16:59 |
... Up to now I have been able to level the motorhome with the air bags in the back. ... Do you need to raise both tires equally on same side? What material and size, etc? ...
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I USED 2 BY 6's of various lengths.
Note that each front tire carries over 2,000 lbs, the rears are almost as much. What ever you put under the tires make sure the full tread of the tires is supported. The belts under the tread can be damaged if only part of the tire is supported.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64385 is a reply to message #64382] |
Sun, 15 November 2009 19:40 |
Jim Haglund
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Mike,
So you need only to raise one of tires on a side? I assume the one farthest
back? I like the stud idea for security :)
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM, mike stewart <klassickampers@hotmail.com>wrote:
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> I'll do my best to explain the system that I use for getting level beyond
> the air bags capability.....I cut 2x6 boards 24" long, 18" long and 12"
> long......I then cut a 45degree angle on one end but you could cut both ends
> with the same result as this is done to make driving onto easier........
> then I drill two or three 3/8" pilot holes in each board and install studs
> to keep the boards aligned when driving onto.........the 24" board on
> bottom, the 18" next and the 12" board on the top if needed.......be sure
> the studs are installed in the upper board and slip into the board below
> it........if the studs were installed in the lower boards a flat tire would
> happen if all three boards were not used......
>
> ........I 'm sure there are more professional ways to accomplish this and
> I'll be interested to see and learn how others do it..............
> --
> mike stewart,
> greer,s.c.
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> 1973 GMC 26' Canyonlands &
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> 1965 Chris Craft 18' V-8 powered Super Sport wooden fun boat
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64393 is a reply to message #64378] |
Sun, 15 November 2009 20:11 |
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Jim,
Buy 2 bogie hooks:
http://www.ragusarv.addr.com/
Click on TOOLS
Buy / make two plates as pictured above the bogie hooks.
Buy two Torin Double Ram Bottle Jack - 4-Ton, Model# TF0402:
http://tinyurl.com/l3yvbg
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318933
_200318933
BTW there are other sources for the bogie hooks and there is a Ford double
ram bottle jack available also.
I would not use this system if you have to raise the wheels off the ground
to level the coach completely. IMHO if you have to do that find another camp
site!
Also if you use the jacks to take the weight off the air bags you should let
the pressure down or all the force of the air bags is being applied to the
shocks.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
As a fairly new owner..... Up to now I have been able to level the motorhome
with the air bags in the back. But I would like to know the procedure to
level the rear end beyond the limits of the air bags. Do you need to raise
both tires equally on same side? What material and size, etc?
Thanks in advance
Jim Haglund
"76" Palm Beach
Olympia, WA
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64410 is a reply to message #64393] |
Sun, 15 November 2009 22:16 |
Jim Haglund
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Rob,
So as long as I wasn't jacking the wheels off the the ground, this would
work without jack stands? Assuming I had the wheels chocked.
Thanks
Jim
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Buy 2 bogie hooks:
>
> http://www.ragusarv.addr.com/
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> Click on TOOLS
>
> Buy / make two plates as pictured above the bogie hooks.
>
> Buy two Torin Double Ram Bottle Jack - 4-Ton, Model# TF0402:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l3yvbg
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>
> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318933
> _200318933
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> BTW there are other sources for the bogie hooks and there is a Ford double
> ram bottle jack available also.
>
> I would not use this system if you have to raise the wheels off the ground
> to level the coach completely. IMHO if you have to do that find another
> camp
> site!
>
> Also if you use the jacks to take the weight off the air bags you should
> let
> the pressure down or all the force of the air bags is being applied to the
> shocks.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Haglund
> Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 12:00 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
>
> As a fairly new owner..... Up to now I have been able to level the
> motorhome
> with the air bags in the back. But I would like to know the procedure to
> level the rear end beyond the limits of the air bags. Do you need to raise
> both tires equally on same side? What material and size, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jim Haglund
> "76" Palm Beach
> Olympia, WA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64414 is a reply to message #64413] |
Sun, 15 November 2009 23:21 |
Jim Haglund
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What kind of specs should I be looking for in a jack? I will be looking
locally for a jack, because Northern Tool is back East and I would prefer to
not pay for shipping for something that heavy.
Thanks for your help
JIm
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
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> I've done it without any problems with the wheels chocked and the parking
> brake on (for what it's worth).
>
> The bogie hooks I use have a "retainer" that keeps the bottle jack pad from
> slipping out like the one below.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2272
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> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Haglund
> Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 3:16 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
>
> Rob,
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> So as long as I wasn't jacking the wheels off the the ground, this would
> work without jack stands? Assuming I had the wheels chocked.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64422 is a reply to message #64414] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 01:06 |
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Jim,
You need a two stage bottle jack like the one I provided the link to at
Northern tool. A standard one stage probably will not extend far enough.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318933
_200318933
As you can see the Torin Double Ram Bottle Jack - 4-Ton, Model# TF0402 will
extend 9 1/6 inches and you get 2 3/8" screw out adjustment.
Key Specs Lift Capacity (tons) 4
Min. Lift Height (in.) 6 5/16
Max. Lift Height (in.) 15 3/8
Ram Travel (in.) 9 1/16
Screw Top Adjustment (in.) 2 3/8
Operation Manual
Handle Included Yes
Dimensions L x W x H (in.) 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 x 6 5/16
According to the Northern Tool Website shipping for two jacks would be:
Shipping Options
Delivery: Home
Location: OLYMPIA, WA 98502
Shipping Method: (UPS Ground)
Shipping $23.04
No sales tax will be charged for orders shipped to 98502
So all up that's $83.04
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Haglund
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 4:21 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
What kind of specs should I be looking for in a jack? I will be looking
locally for a jack, because Northern Tool is back East and I would prefer to
not pay for shipping for something that heavy.
Thanks for your help
JIm
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64426 is a reply to message #64378] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 01:31 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
Here's another source for a jacking pad:
http://www.bdub.net/curtis-unlimited/index.html
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 6:06 PM
To: 'gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org'
Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
Jim,
You need a two stage bottle jack like the one I provided the link to at
Northern tool. A standard one stage probably will not extend far enough.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318933
_200318933
As you can see the Torin Double Ram Bottle Jack - 4-Ton, Model# TF0402 will
extend 9 1/6 inches and you get 2 3/8" screw out adjustment.
Key Specs Lift Capacity (tons) 4
Min. Lift Height (in.) 6 5/16
Max. Lift Height (in.) 15 3/8
Ram Travel (in.) 9 1/16
Screw Top Adjustment (in.) 2 3/8
Operation Manual
Handle Included Yes
Dimensions L x W x H (in.) 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 x 6 5/16
According to the Northern Tool Website shipping for two jacks would be:
Shipping Options
Delivery: Home
Location: OLYMPIA, WA 98502
Shipping Method: (UPS Ground)
Shipping $23.04
No sales tax will be charged for orders shipped to 98502
So all up that's $83.04
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Haglund
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 4:21 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
What kind of specs should I be looking for in a jack? I will be looking
locally for a jack, because Northern Tool is back East and I would prefer to
not pay for shipping for something that heavy.
Thanks for your help
JIm
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64449 is a reply to message #64426] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 09:01 |
Don Hart
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Jim
Northern often has free shipping, and will match prices. I have used it for
heavy items.
Don
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Here's another source for a jacking pad:
>
> http://www.bdub.net/curtis-unlimited/index.html
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller@iinet.net.au]
> Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 6:06 PM
> To: 'gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org'
> Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
>
> Jim,
>
> You need a two stage bottle jack like the one I provided the link to at
> Northern tool. A standard one stage probably will not extend far enough.
>
>
> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318933
> _200318933
>
> As you can see the Torin Double Ram Bottle Jack - 4-Ton, Model# TF0402 will
> extend 9 1/6 inches and you get 2 3/8" screw out adjustment.
>
> Key Specs Lift Capacity (tons) 4
> Min. Lift Height (in.) 6 5/16
> Max. Lift Height (in.) 15 3/8
> Ram Travel (in.) 9 1/16
> Screw Top Adjustment (in.) 2 3/8
> Operation Manual
> Handle Included Yes
> Dimensions L x W x H (in.) 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 x 6 5/16
>
> According to the Northern Tool Website shipping for two jacks would be:
>
> Shipping Options
> Delivery: Home
> Location: OLYMPIA, WA 98502
> Shipping Method: (UPS Ground)
> Shipping $23.04
> No sales tax will be charged for orders shipped to 98502
>
> So all up that's $83.04
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Haglund
> Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 4:21 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp
>
> What kind of specs should I be looking for in a jack? I will be looking
> locally for a jack, because Northern Tool is back East and I would prefer
> to
> not pay for shipping for something that heavy.
>
> Thanks for your help
> JIm
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64511 is a reply to message #64391] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 14:55 |
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rhusak writes...
> Can jack hooks be used?
> With bottle jacks of course..
That's what I do when camping on the mountain, where I need more
adjustment than is provided by the air system. Works well.
Rick "who does try not to ram the shocks against their full extension
wtih full bag pressure, though" Denney
'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64513 is a reply to message #64422] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 15:01 |
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Rob Mueller writes...
> You need a two stage bottle jack like the one I provided the link to at
> Northern tool. A standard one stage probably will not extend far enough.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318933_200318933
While the double-extension jack is really slick for this application,
you don't necessarily need it. I'm using a 12-ton standard bottle
jack. I have to raise the coach on the bags as high as I can so that I
don't need as much jack travel.
The double-extension jack is probably long enough to get under the
hook if you have a blown bag, too. Standard bottle jacks don't help
much in that scenario.
Rick "who'll get a double-piston jack at some point" Denney
'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64522 is a reply to message #64518] |
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| mcolie wrote on Mon, 16 November 2009 13:32 |
Except that full bag pressure is minimum extension.
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True, but that is when my shocks sprang a leak!
Let some of the air out of the bags to reduce the pressure inside of the shock.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64528 is a reply to message #64516] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 16:25 |
Jim Haglund
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Jim
Thanks. Sounds like I have a couple of options then. I like the idea of
setting it level by using a refer shelf.
I love "Tips and Tricks"
Jim
Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Jim Galbavy <j.galbavy@att.net> wrote:
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> Jim,
>
> I like the two Mikes' ideas, I don't like jacking up a coach that isn't
> level to start with. Drive up on the 2X6's or 2X8's and keep the suspension
> in play, I wouldn't just jack up on only the frame. If you are using the
> air bags (plus 2 or 3 2X6's) to level and the extra 4 to 6 inches isn't
> enough to level the coach, you need to find another site. With most decent
> commerical camp grounds you should be able to pull in in "TRAVEL" and not
> even touch the valves. Worse case, try coming in from the other direction.
> Set you coach with your level on one of your refer. shelves. That's what is
> important. Satisfy the refer and everything else falls in place.
>
> JWID
>
> jim galbavy
> '73 X-CL (ANNIE)
> Chesterfield, Va
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| Re: [GMCnet] Leveling at Camp [message #64532 is a reply to message #64518] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 16:31 |
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Matt Colie writes...
> Except that full bag pressure is minimum extension.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just don't want the full pressure against the seals
and stops of the shock.
Rick "would you believe, UN-extension?" Denney
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