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ldone is currently offline  ldone   United States
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4300 mile trip just completed in this wonderful machine known as a GMC motorhome.
I found that the coach is not real happy with 10% or less alcohol..causes rough idle. Hot roads cause the fuel tank to boil. Only 4 GMC's sighted....one was parked. Last sighting was a brownish colored coach headed south toward jellico mountain on I75 yesterday. JB in Orlando helped get the Onan running..cap expanded and shorted against case. He happened to just have a capacitor laying about. Looking at getting wheel extenders for front end, this thing darts around too much for my driving comfort.
Wife is planning next trip already........life is good!

76PB

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Re: Small trip report [message #62657 is a reply to message #62651] Sun, 01 November 2009 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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4300 miles is a small trip?????? I could never do that unless I get fired or make it to retirement(if that ever comes).... Laughing ..

glad to hear Jim fixed you up on the Onan, but are you sure your fuel is boiling in the tanks??? I've never experienced that problem but the fartherest south I have been on a trip Beaufort,s.c....plus my tanks are POR-15 coated on the inside............I'm assuming your intake has been filled or welded and the fuel pump to carb line is insulated or not too close to any hot metal surface.......both the intake and fuel line can give vapor lock symtoms, with the intake causing major frustration...... an auxiliary eletric fuel pump mounted before the mechanical pump can assist fuel flow in hot weather.....venting the engine compartment also helps..

the hub extenders will keep you more stable in truck ruts, but baving everything else suspension wise spot-on will do a lot for road wander......it is imperitive for the steering box to be "centered" and the chassis heights correct left to right and front to rear.......all of this has been covered many times here and this info is just that(info)as I do not know the improvements that you have made to your gmc......with a 4300 mile trip under your belt, you must be doing something right....keep everyone informed of you next excursion.....


mike( who has little time to enjoy his gmc) stewart
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Mike Stewart 1973 GMC 26' Canyonlands / 1973 B.S.A. B50 street tracker----- Greer,S.C/Ellijay,Ga

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Re: Small trip report [message #62663 is a reply to message #62657] Sun, 01 November 2009 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I should have said small report about big trip as it was a much longer trip than planned or expected. Surprised
The joys of retirement and no alarm clock have FINALLY become part of my new life style. Very Happy
Hot fuel........all I know is that when I took the gas cap off to refuel... hot pressurised gasoline squirted over my hand nearly burning it. Shocked

There is a small amount of play in the steering but Dave Greenbergs comments reflect how I feel about the darting...pulling...jerking action that the unequal tire track is causing. I may have to take another trip to convince myself of the cause Smile

One impression I have gotten is that the GMC is happy on the road.....was made for the road.....is a wonderful place in which to view the world as it goes happily past those large front windows. Very Happy

76PB

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Re: Small trip report [message #62722 is a reply to message #62663] Sun, 01 November 2009 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the pressure build up should not be completely a result of the tanks getting hot from the road temp......be sure your charcoal canister is operatating correctly......I have had the fuel cap actually sail into the air on customer's gmcs where the evap system was blocked.......get your gmc repair manual(not owners manual) and check out the way the evap system works.......good luck.....

Mike Stewart 1973 GMC 26' Canyonlands / 1973 B.S.A. B50 street tracker----- Greer,S.C/Ellijay,Ga

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Re: Small trip report [message #62743 is a reply to message #62722] Sun, 01 November 2009 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I *Know* my Charcol canister is clogged after reading that! Laughing


klassic kampers wrote on Sun, 01 November 2009 16:42

the pressure build up should not be completely a result of the tanks getting hot from the road temp......be sure your charcoal canister is operatating correctly......I have had the fuel cap actually sail into the air on customer's gmcs where the evap system was blocked.......get your gmc repair manual(not owners manual) and check out the way the evap system works.......good luck.....

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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62767 is a reply to message #62743] Mon, 02 November 2009 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So what can we do to correct a bad charcoal canister? What are our options?



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Well, I *Know* my Charcol canister is clogged after reading that! :lol:


klassic kampers wrote on Sun, 01 November 2009 16:42
> the pressure build up should not be completely a result of the tanks
getting hot from the road temp......be sure your charcoal canister is
operatating correctly......I have had the fuel cap actually sail into the
air on customer's gmcs where the evap system was blocked.......get your gmc
repair manual(not owners manual) and check out the way the evap system
works.......good luck.....


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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62772 is a reply to message #62767] Mon, 02 November 2009 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A plugged filter? Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom. Otherwise?? I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will pipe up so I can check mine :-)
Gary



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[GMCnet] Suspension rubber parts [message #62774 is a reply to message #62767] Mon, 02 November 2009 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has anyone had problems with premature bushing failure? I need to replace my
front suspension bushings and I am concerned about the possibility of
obtaining old inventory. Rubber still deteriorates somewhat while stored in
a box for many years. I've already had failures of this sort on one of my
cars.

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Re: [GMCnet] Suspension rubber parts [message #62775 is a reply to message #62774] Mon, 02 November 2009 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you used to be able to talk to steve, but he is not here any more

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> Has anyone had problems with premature bushing failure? I need to replace
> my
> front suspension bushings and I am concerned about the possibility of
> obtaining old inventory. Rubber still deteriorates somewhat while stored in
> a box for many years. I've already had failures of this sort on one of my
> cars.
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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62776 is a reply to message #62772] Mon, 02 November 2009 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carbon filters should not plug up. The gas vapors should not break
down the carbon to where they become very small particles and restrict
the flow. There is a replaceable pad at the bottom which can also
restrict in some way,





On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A plugged filter?  Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom.  Otherwise??  I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will pipe up so I can check mine :-)
> Gary
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Re: [GMCnet] Suspension rubber parts [message #62778 is a reply to message #62775] Mon, 02 November 2009 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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These parts we stock are very current as they come in boxes that are
changed every couple years.
We can spply the Urathane or rubber.

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> you used to be able to talk to steve, but he is not here any more
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> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Les Burt <burtco99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had problems with premature bushing failure? I need to replace
>> my
>> front suspension bushings and I am concerned about the possibility of
>> obtaining old inventory. Rubber still deteriorates somewhat while stored in
>> a box for many years.  I've already had failures of this sort on one of my
>> cars.
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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62781 is a reply to message #62772] Mon, 02 November 2009 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember reading Arch's post many years ago about finding his vent
line completely clogged by crystalised gasoline. Completely clogged -
like a few feet of solid laquer clogging the pipe.

After replacing the vent lines he was able to fill the tanks unattended.

Ljdavick at comcast.net

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> A plugged filter? Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom.
> Otherwise?? I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will
> pipe up so I can check mine :-)
> Gary
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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62783 is a reply to message #62776] Mon, 02 November 2009 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jimk wrote on Mon, 02 November 2009 10:01

Carbon filters should not plug up. The gas vapors should not break
down the carbon to where they become very small particles and restrict
the flow. There is a replaceable pad at the bottom which can also
restrict in some way,







correction on my earlier statement:

the canister itself should not cause high pressure buildup in the fuel tanks.....what I meant to say earlier is that the canister cannot operate correctly if the lines or valve at the left rear wheel are not in good working order......the filter pad at the bottom of the canister is available from GM or Advance auto........it fits almost every canister built for a GM truck.......thanks,. mike......




On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A plugged filter?  Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom.  Otherwise??  I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will pipe up so I can check mine Smile
> Gary
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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62784 is a reply to message #62776] Mon, 02 November 2009 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it's far more likely that the blockage is upstream of the carbon
cannister -- at the liquid/vapor separator. That's the little device in
the upper forward end of the left rear wheel well which feeds the
cannister with gasoline vapors but not liquid. If the float inside it
sticks in the "no liquid flow" position, pressure can build up in the
tank. The correct fuel cap should relieve that pressure at about 1.5
psi -- but that's quite a bit of "air" in two big tanks which are nearly
full of vapor instead of liquid.

Ken H.

Jim Kanomata wrote:
> Carbon filters should not plug up. The gas vapors should not break
> down the carbon to where they become very small particles and restrict
> the flow. There is a replaceable pad at the bottom which can also
> restrict in some way,
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A plugged filter? Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom. Otherwise?? I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will pipe up so I can check mine :-)
>> Gary
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> So what can we do to correct a bad charcoal canister? What are our options?
>>

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I think it's far more likely that the blockage is upstream of the carbon
cannister -- at the liquid/vapor separator. That's the little device in
the upper forward end of the left rear wheel well which feeds the
cannister with gasoline vapors but not liquid. If the float inside it
sticks in the "no liquid flow" position, pressure can build up in the
tank. The correct fuel cap should relieve that pressure at about 1.5
psi -- but that's quite a bit of "air" in two big tanks which are nearly
full of vapor instead of liquid.

Ken H.

Jim Kanomata wrote:
> Carbon filters should not plug up. The gas vapors should not break
> down the carbon to where they become very small particles and restrict
> the flow. There is a replaceable pad at the bottom which can also
> restrict in some way,
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A plugged filter? Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom. Otherwise?? I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will pipe up so I can check mine :-)
>> Gary
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> So what can we do to correct a bad charcoal canister? What are our options?
>>


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Re: [GMCnet] Charcoal Canister, (WAS Small trip report) [message #62790 is a reply to message #62776] Mon, 02 November 2009 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it's far more likely that the blockage is upstream of the carbon
cannister -- at the liquid/vapor separator. That's the little device in
the upper forward end of the left rear wheel well which feeds the
cannister with gasoline vapors but not liquid. If the float inside it
sticks in the "no liquid flow" position, pressure can build up in the
tank. The correct fuel cap should relieve that pressure at about 1.5
psi -- but that's quite a bit of "air" in two big tanks which are nearly
full of vapor instead of liquid.

Ken H.

Jim Kanomata wrote:
> Carbon filters should not plug up. The gas vapors should not break
> down the carbon to where they become very small particles and restrict
> the flow. There is a replaceable pad at the bottom which can also
> restrict in some way,
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A plugged filter? Not likely, but it's the foam at the bottom. Otherwise?? I'm not the expert on this - I hope someone who is will pipe up so I can check mine :-)
>> Gary
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> So what can we do to correct a bad charcoal canister? What are our options?
>>


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Re: [GMCnet] Suspension rubber parts [message #62791 is a reply to message #62775] Mon, 02 November 2009 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Call Steve in Az
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you used to be able to talk to steve, but he is not here any more

gene



On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Les Burt <burtco99@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Has anyone had problems with premature bushing failure? I need to replace
> my
> front suspension bushings and I am concerned about the possibility of
> obtaining old inventory. Rubber still deteriorates somewhat while stored
> in
> a box for many years. I've already had failures of this sort on one of my
> cars.
>
> Les Burt
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Re: [GMCnet] Suspension rubber parts [message #62792 is a reply to message #62774] Mon, 02 November 2009 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Les,
You are correct about rubber drying out after years of shelf life.
I recommend that if you are replacing the lower bushings, you use
urethane bushings. The weight of the front of the GMC far exceeds the
original design of the OEM rubber bushings. The urethane will last
longer that most of us will ever keep our coaches and will remove a
lot of the "squirm" from the front end of a GMC without sacrificing
any of the ride characteristics. If you store your GMC for long
periods of time, the urethane does not take a "set" like the rubber
bushings do. They are easy to install as you only remove the inner
steel sleeve and the rubber. The new bushing taps easily into the old
bushing shell eliminating the need for any special tools to remove the
old bushing. All four lower bushings and new inner steel sleeves cost
little bit more than a single lower bushing.
If you have any questions you can contact me here on the net or
off-line at: botiemad11@juno.com

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> Has anyone had problems with premature bushing failure? I need to replace my
> front suspension bushings and I am concerned about the possibility of
> obtaining old inventory. Rubber still deteriorates somewhat while stored in
> a box for many years.  I've already had failures of this sort on one of my
> cars.
>
> Les Burt
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STEVE,
Good to have you back!!

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I'll have to start my seniority all over again. Thanks Larry.

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