| Black and Grey setup [message #61845] |
Mon, 26 October 2009 20:41  |
tgeiger
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I was reading on another post about someone dealing with the black water tank and was wondering amoung all the mods that have been posted here on this site, if there had been any mods done on seperating the black water storage from the grey water? Wondering if that is a plausible thing to do?
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black and Grey setup [message #61896 is a reply to message #61845] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 06:50  |
powerjon
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Tom,
Not saying that in cannot be done but it is difficult to separate and
add a grey water tank to the standard GM finished floor plan layouts.
The room just does not exist to relocate the shower drain line which
is the major grey water provider. The kitchen sink and bath sink
could possibly be rerouted to a tank that could be located in the bay
in front of the fuel tanks. A common outlet would not be possible.
Several models do have a grey tank but they are of a different floor
plan. They are the 26' Birchaven and Royal models rear bath models.
If you want to move the bath module forward then separation is
possible but that creates other issues that would need to be solved.
We have one member that did that when he converter his number 26-3
floor plan to rear twin beds but it was a major reconfiguration of all
the system of the coach including potable water, black and gray water,
12 VDC systems and 110 VAC systems.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
TZE Zone Restorations
77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
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> I was reading on another post about someone dealing with the black
> water tank and was wondering among all the mods that have been
> posted here on this site, if there had been any mods done on
> separating the black water storage from the grey water? Wondering
> if that is a plausible thing to do?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black and Grey setup [message #61897 is a reply to message #61896] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 07:35 |
fred v
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on my rear bath the black tank is in the very rear of the coach just forward of the bumper. the gray tank is between that and the fuel tanks. the problem would be plumbing the toilet to a rear black tank. the shower could drain into the existing tank.
the Royale problem is that the bathroom sink drains into the black so we don't use the sink when dry camping.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black and Grey setup [message #61903 is a reply to message #61896] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 07:57 |
Jim Bounds
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After "messing" with many holding tank issues, I think having a single tank for today actually might work out to an advantage. In the "old days" you could pull over and dump your grey tank in a ditch or most anywhere-- ahhhh, not so today. The EPA and DOT frowns on such things so seperating the sludge does not mean as much as it did in the past. Also, the grey stuff helps the black stuff turn into "stuff" thats easier to get rid of. I mean building "Mt. Fugiakki" under the toilet needs some wet stuff to wash it on down to the maserator-- oh, you must have a maserator!
There's too many rest areas, Taco Bells, Mickey Dee's and other places to leave your mark, increasing the capacity of our holding tanks has been put on the back burner for the most part. It's just not a fun job and very few people want to "mess around" with it. With the fact that if you dump your tank at all you are usually dumping it all, 2 tanks does not seem to be a big deal today.
What I see from the underside!
Jim Bounds
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From: John Wright <powerjon@chartermi.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 7:50:38 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Black and Grey setup
Tom,
Not saying that in cannot be done but it is difficult to separate and
add a grey water tank to the standard GM finished floor plan layouts.
The room just does not exist to relocate the shower drain line which
is the major grey water provider. The kitchen sink and bath sink
could possibly be rerouted to a tank that could be located in the bay
in front of the fuel tanks. A common outlet would not be possible.
Several models do have a grey tank but they are of a different floor
plan. They are the 26' Birchaven and Royal models rear bath models.
If you want to move the bath module forward then separation is
possible but that creates other issues that would need to be solved.
We have one member that did that when he converter his number 26-3
floor plan to rear twin beds but it was a major reconfiguration of all
the system of the coach including potable water, black and gray water,
12 VDC systems and 110 VAC systems.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
TZE Zone Restorations
77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
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> I was reading on another post about someone dealing with the black
> water tank and was wondering among all the mods that have been
> posted here on this site, if there had been any mods done on
> separating the black water storage from the grey water? Wondering
> if that is a plausible thing to do?
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #61975 is a reply to message #61970] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 16:09 |
Chr$
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 13:27 |
Yes Chris. This winter I will show you how I did that and how to catch it.
Dan
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Hi Dan
You got any photos? I have the coach apart now, but that will change by the end of the week!
I also posted pics of the plumbing work on the photo site.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #61985 is a reply to message #61979] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 17:13 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Here you go Chris.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4748
Been a few years back so I have about forgot how I did the Shower. It works good for us when we need it.
Dan
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danandteri.blogspot.com ///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers""
That is one of my all time favorite mods! Think I'll go for it in the next month or so.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #62006 is a reply to message #61845] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 18:48 |
Chr$
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Come by my shop this weekend and I'll probably be doing it myself...
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #62020 is a reply to message #61845] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 21:08 |
tgeiger
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ok guys, I was just wondering. I agree with Jim, the single tank is simple and easy to maintain capacity when dumping once a day, the black tank that is. I had seen a mod that put a shower stall in the place of the refrig and then the refrig went to the place of the clothes drawers. Just wondered if that arrangement included a seperate grey water tank setup. The macerator pump sounds like a good improvement on what I have now.
Something I'll try to do next spring.
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #62024 is a reply to message #61975] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 21:22 |
Carl S.
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Chri$,
Nice job on the water system. I would like to see a little more detail on how you ran the seperate shower valve. My bathroom sink faucet is on it's last legs and Jim B. suggested I do just what you did, rather than replace it with another cheap plastic faucet with a shower diverter.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #62039 is a reply to message #61845] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 23:37 |
zhagrieb
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I took out my toilet and replaced it with a porta potty. I did this as a test to see how feasible it would be to install one of the Thetford units with a holding tank that slides out an access door. So far I'm pleased with the result and will look to permanently install their model 200. It's intended to mount on an outside wall and be accessed from there but I could live with an opening into the hallway.
Glenn Giere
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #62164 is a reply to message #62024] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 17:28 |
Chr$
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| Carl S. wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 19:22 |
Chri$,
Nice job on the water system. I would like to see a little more detail on how you ran the seperate shower valve. My bathroom sink faucet is on it's last legs and Jim B. suggested I do just what you did, rather than replace it with another cheap plastic faucet with a shower diverter.
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Hi Carl, I just ran a tee off each line that feeds the sink to the new shower valve. I had to buy the ugly one at Camping world, as nothing else would work. I drilled two holes and popped the valve through, tightened the nuts, and ran the hoses to it.
I chose to put it up above the towel bar so the shower hose doesn't interfere with towels that probably wont be there while showering anyway... 
For the faucet in the sink, you can just buy a standard faucet and slip a PVC pipe section or coupling over the holes in the side of the drain pipe that usually are covered by the overflow chamber on a real sink. this allows you to use the drain lever thingy. that faucet was $24. Stay away from single lever faucets, the lever ends up too close to the back wall and you cannot use the drain lever. Guess how I know that!
I plan to install a Macerator also.
My tranny arrived today, so now I need to make the lifting bracket unless someone in AZ has one to loan? I probably will install it in a week or two. I still have to clean all the gook off of the 3:21 final drive and put the new seals that Manny sent along.
You guys are welcome to come and help. nudge nudge wink wink.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: Black and Grey setup [message #62199 is a reply to message #62164] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 20:18 |
Carl S.
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Thanks Chris,
Someday, when I'm feeling ambitious I will tackle that. In the mean time, I'm taking notes. I really would love to help you with your transmission, I'm sure it would be great experience, but this is too busy a time of year for me to give up a weekend day.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black and Grey setup [message #62225 is a reply to message #62224] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 21:38 |
Mr ERFisher
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Yep
you will only use the Macerator. But when that little sucker sticks, or
gets plugged up, you will need the original dump pipe.
gene
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Kim D M Simmons <ksphoto1@one.net> wrote:
> Question on this. I have the maserator but I also still have the
> original dump system. The question I have is do I really need both?
> Right this minute my tank is off and we are waiting to put in the new
> tank,I figure now would be a good time to remove the old system if
> that would be a good idea. Any thoughts on having both systems or is
> having and keeping the original dump system a good back up?
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> Thanks
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> Kim
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> Kim and Pat Simmons
> '76 Eleganza II
> New Richmond, Ohio
> TZE166V101526
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> On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Dan Gregg wrote:
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> > I too am anxious to see Chris' stuff in person. I am hoping we can
> > get together this winter so I can see it. Maybe you and I will have
> > to visit Chris together if he does not attend one of our Jetsetter
> > gatherings.
> > tgieger, once you install a maserator you will wonder how you ever
> > lived without it.I used the 3 inch hose one time and knew I had to
> > have something different. With the holding tanks so low on GMC
> > coaches it is just a tough task to undertake dumping them. The
> > maserator does all the work for you. No gloves needed because there
> > is no mess. 3 minutes and you are done. Just store the hose up the
> > frame in a pvc pipe. No hooking or unhooking anything.
> > Dan
> > --
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> > danandteri.blogspot.com
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