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Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48583] Sun, 05 July 2009 23:10 Go to next message
Bob Horton is currently offline  Bob Horton   Canada
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I have a page I copied from somewhere in the distant past on adding air conditioning vents ducted from the HVAC Box into the drivers and passengers sides of the GMC. Unfortunately I do not have the name of the author. Also the URL does not bring anything as the diagrams and pictures would be helpful.

http://www.gmcphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4941

Could not find any reference to it in the GMC Photo gallery.

Anyone remember the author and the information???



Bob Horton
Brandon, Manitoba

Re: [GMCnet] Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48589 is a reply to message #48583] Mon, 06 July 2009 05:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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did you look through these ?
http://www.gmcmotorhome.info/heat.html#CONFIG

gene

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Bob Horton <bobsgmc@mts.net> wrote:

>
>
> I have a page I copied from somewhere in the distant past on adding air
> conditioning vents ducted from the HVAC Box into the drivers and passengers
> sides of the GMC. Unfortunately I do not have the name of the author. Also
> the URL does not bring anything as the diagrams and pictures would be
> helpful.
>
> http://www.gmcphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4941
>
> Could not find any reference to it in the GMC Photo gallery.
>
> Anyone remember the author and the information???
>
>
>
> Bob Horton
> Brandon, Manitoba
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48597 is a reply to message #48583] Mon, 06 July 2009 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim White[1] is currently offline  Jim White[1]   United States
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Bob-
Is this the article? If so I may be able to track it down.
Doc
**********
"After reviewing a plethora of GMC-Net messages and a number of web
sites I decided that the real problem is not cooling capacity but lack
of airflow on the evaporator side of the system. My solution was to add
a couple of additional air ducts to the passenger compartment, one on
the drivers side (in the floor just above and to the left of the brake
peddle) and the other on the passenger side (just below the glove box).

Someone had suggested using industrial vacuum cleaner blast gates and
3" hose to install fresh air vents. I thought that would also work well
for my air conditioner upgrade. I ordered the hose (DF100), 2 blast
gates (DF121) and 4 clamps (DF117) from Trendlines (woodworking tool
supply company, 800-767-9999).
The blast gates are a 2 piece aluminum affair with a moveable steel
plate that acts as a cutoff valve. I unscrewed the two halves of each
blast gate and discarded the steel plates. I cut off the excess aluminum
so that all I had left was 4 square flanges. Each flange has four
mounting holes and a 3" hose port.
I removed the coolant tank and the washer fluid tank from the front of
the HVAC box. I remounted the coolant tank to the fire wall on the far
right (above the engine battery). I am planning on replacing the washer
tank with a smaller one and mount it to the far left fire wall. I may
replace it with a 12v solenoid valve connected to the house water
system. I rarely use the windshield washer so I have not decided yet.
I used a 2 7/8" hole saw with an extension to make 2 holes in the front
of the HVAC box and two holes in the floor. I used the flanges (made
from the blast gates) as templates to drill mounting holes for each
flange. After attaching all four flanges I cut, routed, and clamped two
pieces of 3" hose to connect the flanges on the HVAC box to the flanges
in the floor.
I needed a way to control the quantity and direction of airflow so I
looked at various grills and vents. I decided to use a plastic "eyeball"
style air vent typically used in aircraft. I found one (part number
13-03800) sold by Aircraft Spruce and Specialty (800-831-2949). This
vent will allow you to adjust the airflow and direction for each air
outlet. I mounted the air vents with Velcro so they can easily be
removed if I need full airflow (in the event of a roof air failure).
I also moved the power source for the HVAC blower's high speed circuit
breaker from the battery circuit to the alternator circuit (center post
of the battery isolator). This reduces the load on the battery isolator
and gives the blower motor an extra 1.5 volts or so. Some of the
increased voltage is from bypassing the diode drop in the battery
isolator and some is from bypassing voltage drops in the wiring harness.
This upgrade directs cool air from the cool side of the evaporator coil
directly to the passenger compartment. IT WORKS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL I
don't need to run the roof air until the outside temps reach the upper
80's. I don't need to run the dash air blower on high until the outside
temp gets above the mid 80's. Before this upgrade I was running the roof
air anytime the outside temps got above the lower 70's."

***************

Bob Horton wrote:
> I have a page I copied from somewhere in the distant past on adding air conditioning vents ducted from the HVAC Box into the drivers and passengers sides of the GMC. Unfortunately I do not have the name of the author. Also the URL does not bring anything as the diagrams and pictures would be helpful.
>
> http://www.gmcphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4941
>
> Could not find any reference to it in the GMC Photo gallery.
>
> Anyone remember the author and the information???
>
>
>
> Bob Horton
> Brandon, Manitoba
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Re: [GMCnet] Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48600 is a reply to message #48597] Mon, 06 July 2009 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob Horton is currently offline  Bob Horton   Canada
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Doc wrote

"Bob-
Is this the article? If so I may be able to track it down.
Doc"
**********
"After reviewing a plethora of GMC-Net messages and a number of web sites I decided that the real problem is not cooling capacity but lack
of airflow on the evaporator side of the system."

Thanks Doc

That is the exact same article. I have begun to relocate the windshield washer and radiator overflow tank. Diagrams would be helpful if I can track them down. Sorry I cant give credit to the author as I do not have his name. The link indicates that it is no longer available.

Bob Horton
Brandon, Manitoba
Re: [GMCnet] Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48601 is a reply to message #48600] Mon, 06 July 2009 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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Bob Horton wrote on Mon, 06 July 2009 08:37

Doc wrote

"Bob-
Is this the article? If so I may be able to track it down.
Doc"
**********
"After reviewing a plethora of GMC-Net messages and a number of web sites I decided that the real problem is not cooling capacity but lack
of airflow on the evaporator side of the system."

Thanks Doc

That is the exact same article. I have begun to relocate the windshield washer and radiator overflow tank. Diagrams would be helpful if I can track them down. Sorry I cant give credit to the author as I do not have his name. The link indicates that it is no longer available.

Bob Horton
Brandon, Manitoba


Bob,
Look here...

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=24933

Dennis


Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
Re: Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48636 is a reply to message #48583] Mon, 06 July 2009 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob Horton is currently offline  Bob Horton   Canada
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Thanks Dennis. That is what I've been looking for. The object of all this is to keep my wife cool. For some reason she objects to 90 temperatures in the coach. You'd think she'd cool off enough in the winter to get by - but no - she insists the coach is too hot. Even in winter she likes the house a few degrees above abosute zero. I on the other hand am always freezing.

Bob Horton
Re: [GMCnet] Air Conditioning Upgrade [message #48656 is a reply to message #48636] Mon, 06 July 2009 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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those are fresh air vents, and here are the articles
http://gmcmotorhome.info/heat.html#FRESH

gene


On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Bob Horton <bobsgmc@mts.net> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Dennis. That is what I've been looking for. The object of all this
> is to keep my wife cool. For some reason she objects to 90 temperatures in
> the coach. You'd think she'd cool off enough in the winter to get by - but
> no - she insists the coach is too hot. Even in winter she likes the house a
> few degrees above abosute zero. I on the other hand am always freezing.
>
> Bob Horton
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[GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48674 is a reply to message #48656] Mon, 06 July 2009 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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I have my 75 Avion for sale. Yesterday I was getting it ready to show today.
I ran the generator (6kw) and roof A/C for about two hours. This morning I
started the generator and it ran for about a minute. During that time I
noticed the rpm varying for about 15 seconds, then it shut down.

I checked the oil then tried starting the generator again and it starts
okay, but pretty quickly there is a metallic sound and the rpm varies
widely, then it shuts down. The engine seems to run okay and sounds normal
except for the above. Might this be a generator bearing?

I really don't want to spend any money on this generator (which I won't get
out of the sale), so I am taking a shot in the dark here hoping that someone
has an idea for a quick fix.

I have lowered my asking price by $500. I figured that amount should cover
pretty much any diagnostic work and repair that it might need.

Thank you in advance,

Guy Lopes
75 Avion for sale
www.gmcstuff.com
Sacramento, CA



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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48675 is a reply to message #48674] Mon, 06 July 2009 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ron is currently offline  Ron   United States
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Guy..
That won't work.. If you don't know what is wrong a prospective buyer surly won't and $500 would not placate that fear of a very large bill.. Diagnose and fix it.. Don't put any more obstacles in a buyers way especially in this market!
Ron


now a P.O.
Conifer, CO
Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48678 is a reply to message #48675] Mon, 06 July 2009 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Ron,

Thank you for the response and I agree with you. That's why I asked the
question. I probably will have it at least diagnosed soon. The problem is
that I have people coming to look at it.

I just got off of the phone with two new interested parties. They saw that I
disclosed the generator problem on my web site and we discussed the issue at
length. They're still coming to look at it today and tomorrow. Another is
coming on Thursday.

I just wish that I was 2 hours closer to Jim K!!!

Guy Lopes
75 26' Avion for sale - looking for a 23'
www.gmcstuff.com
Sacramento, CA




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Guy..
That won't work.. If you don't know what is wrong a prospective buyer surly
won't and $500 would not placate that fear of a very large bill.. Diagnose
and fix it.. Don't put any more obstacles in a buyers way especially in this
market!
Ron
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48685 is a reply to message #48674] Mon, 06 July 2009 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SWA Guy wrote on Mon, 06 July 2009 17:16


I have my 75 Avion for sale. Yesterday I was getting it ready to show today.
I ran the generator (6kw) and roof A/C for about two hours. This morning I
started the generator and it ran for about a minute. During that time I
noticed the rpm varying for about 15 seconds, then it shut down.

I checked the oil then tried starting the generator again and it starts
okay, but pretty quickly there is a metallic sound and the rpm varies
widely, then it shuts down. The engine seems to run okay and sounds normal
except for the above. Might this be a generator bearing?


Guy Lopes
75 Avion for sale




I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas? Running for a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to me, especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less money, or no sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a poor gas line?


Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48696 is a reply to message #48685] Mon, 06 July 2009 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid) yes, now
I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out in the
morning.

(must... check... the main... tank...)

I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I call it an
oversight?).

Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been obvious to me
and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
conclusion.

Guy Lopes
75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
www.gmcstuff.com
Sacramento, CA



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I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas? Running for
a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to me,
especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less money, or no
sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a poor gas
line?

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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48701 is a reply to message #48696] Tue, 07 July 2009 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One caution about saving money by selling an RV with empty tanks.

We live on a 26% hill, where many come to test a vehicle before buying.
Last year a seller brought his RV to demo the power after the
prospective buyer's mechanic said it lacked power. 2/3 of the way up,
it quit from fuel starvation. The clever seller made one application of
the brakes (and held it), set the emergency brake, put it in park and
called for a tow truck. He also told his wife to get out and go 3
blocks down for some cold drinks. As she was coming back up the hill,
impatience got the better of him and he attempted to back down the hill.
He lost control, almost ran over his wife and rolled the RV into our
neighbour's yard. As it past over a ditch, upside down, the roof came
off, but both the driver and the passenger, only sustained minor head
injuries. This was the most spectacular of many similar incidents we
have witnessed on this hill in the past 24 years. One night in the
snow, we had 3 rollovers within a few minutes. When it snows, we take
our lawn chairs to the end of our driveway, and with a hot drink, enjoy
the show. The hill is now closed with a barricades on the first hint of
snow, but the determined continue to amuse us. The last good one was 6
teenagers in a fibreglas canoe. It went into the ditch 1/2 way down and
tried to fit in a 16" pipe. Only five were hospitalized. Later, on a
dry road, we tested a car IN NEUTRAL, from the top and found it attained
45+ mph as it passed the point of impact. We think a canoe on packed
snow goes much faster. The army came to test a "deuce and a half" with
chains on all 6 wheels. It did not flip, only flopped on one side. The
brain dead ballast bodies were tossed through the canvas top, into a
barbed wire fence and thorns. Quite a choir for Christmas.

No local awards, YET! http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/

When the city filled the 6' deep ditch in front of our property, we
erected a 6' dirt berm. The city demanded we remove the berm. We
presented city council with many pictures and accident reports. The
berm is still there and now some of the shrubs are 15' tall.

The "Tin Gerbil" came with a "dead" Onan when I bought it. It has run
perfectly since the first fill-up.
Gordon

Guy Lopes wrote:
>
> Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid) yes, now
> I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out in the
> morning.
>
> (must... check... the main... tank...)
>
> I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I call it an
> oversight?).
>
> Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been obvious to me
> and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
> conclusion.
>
> Guy Lopes
> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
> www.gmcstuff.com
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Allen
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:12 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>
>
>
> I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas? Running for
> a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to me,
> especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less money, or no
> sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a poor gas
> line?
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48713 is a reply to message #48674] Tue, 07 July 2009 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:29:58 -0700 Gordon <wizwing@telus.net> writes:
> One caution about saving money by selling an RV with empty tanks.
>
True! When I bought PB #2 from Sirum's I stopped a 1/4 mile down the road
from the shop to fill the tank since I didn't know for sure how accurate
the gauge was. It took 51 gallons and I was fit to be tied! I would have
run out of gas and it would have been in a bad place no matter when it
happened.


David Lee Greenberg
Port St Lucie, FL
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48769 is a reply to message #48696] Tue, 07 July 2009 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Well what do you know! These Onan generators actually require fuel to run!

While in the "battle" to get the Avion ready to show, I jumped to
conclusions when the Onan wouldn't stay running. Lack of fuel in the main
tank was in fact the culprit.

Thanks again.

And now, borrowing Rick Denny's signature style:

Guy "The day I stop learning is the day that I'm six feet under" Lopes
75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
www.gmcstuff.com
Sacramento, CA



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Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:56 PM
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Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid) yes, now
I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out in the
morning.

(must... check... the main... tank...)

I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I call it an
oversight?).

Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been obvious to me
and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
conclusion.

Guy Lopes
75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
www.gmcstuff.com
Sacramento, CA



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Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:12 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem



I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas? Running for
a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to me,
especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less money, or no
sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a poor gas
line?

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'76 x-PB
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48770 is a reply to message #48769] Tue, 07 July 2009 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, are you raising the price back up $500?



Emery

On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Guy Lopes <guylopes@surewest.net> wrote:

> Well what do you know! These Onan generators actually require fuel
> to run!
>
> While in the "battle" to get the Avion ready to show, I jumped to
> conclusions when the Onan wouldn't stay running. Lack of fuel in the
> main
> tank was in fact the culprit.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> And now, borrowing Rick Denny's signature style:
>
> Guy "The day I stop learning is the day that I'm six feet under" Lopes
> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
> www.gmcstuff.com
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Guy Lopes
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:56 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>
>
> Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid)
> yes, now
> I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out
> in the
> morning.
>
> (must... check... the main... tank...)
>
> I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I
> call it an
> oversight?).
>
> Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been
> obvious to me
> and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
> conclusion.
>
> Guy Lopes
> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
> www.gmcstuff.com
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Allen
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:12 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>
>
>
> I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas?
> Running for
> a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to
> me,
> especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less
> money, or no
> sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a
> poor gas
> line?
>
> --
> Rob Allen
> '76 x-PB
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48771 is a reply to message #48770] Tue, 07 July 2009 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Not just yet. I have 3 people, who have seen my web site with the lower
price, coming to look at it today and tomorrow. I may just leave it and make
it more of a firm price rather than planning on negotiating. At the very
least nobody can claim that I am "playing" with the price. I don't want to
even appear to be dishonest or flaky.

Hopefully I won't need to worry about it after today... <crossing fingers
here>.

I have removed the description of the generator problem from the web site
however.

Guy Lopes
75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
www.gmcstuff.com
Sacramento, CA



-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:52 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem

So, are you raising the price back up $500?



Emery

On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Guy Lopes <guylopes@surewest.net> wrote:

> Well what do you know! These Onan generators actually require fuel
> to run!
>
> While in the "battle" to get the Avion ready to show, I jumped to
> conclusions when the Onan wouldn't stay running. Lack of fuel in the
> main
> tank was in fact the culprit.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> And now, borrowing Rick Denny's signature style:
>
> Guy "The day I stop learning is the day that I'm six feet under" Lopes
> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
> www.gmcstuff.com
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Guy Lopes
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:56 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>
>
> Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid)
> yes, now
> I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out
> in the
> morning.
>
> (must... check... the main... tank...)
>
> I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I
> call it an
> oversight?).
>
> Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been
> obvious to me
> and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
> conclusion.
>
> Guy Lopes
> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
> www.gmcstuff.com
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Allen
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:12 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>
>
>
> I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas?
> Running for
> a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to
> me,
> especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less
> money, or no
> sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a
> poor gas
> line?
>
> --
> Rob Allen
> '76 x-PB
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48772 is a reply to message #48770] Tue, 07 July 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Gerbil is currently offline  Tin Gerbil   United States
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Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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Emery;
I think you best start an "Ask the Expert, GMC" site where people pay
for answers. On second thought, we already have the Jim's ask the
expert GMC sites and they are slowly going broke. Maybe the problem is
with their answers?

Emery Stora wrote:
> So, are you raising the price back up $500?
>
>
>
> Emery
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Guy Lopes <guylopes@surewest.net> wrote:
>
>> Well what do you know! These Onan generators actually require fuel
>> to run!
>>
>> While in the "battle" to get the Avion ready to show, I jumped to
>> conclusions when the Onan wouldn't stay running. Lack of fuel in the
>> main
>> tank was in fact the culprit.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> And now, borrowing Rick Denny's signature style:
>>
>> Guy "The day I stop learning is the day that I'm six feet under" Lopes
>> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
>> www.gmcstuff.com
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Guy Lopes
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:56 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>>
>>
>> Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid)
>> yes, now
>> I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out
>> in the
>> morning.
>>
>> (must... check... the main... tank...)
>>
>> I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I
>> call it an
>> oversight?).
>>
>> Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been
>> obvious to me
>> and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
>> conclusion.
>>
>> Guy Lopes
>> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
>> www.gmcstuff.com
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Allen
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:12 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas?
>> Running for
>> a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to
>> me,
>> especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less
>> money, or no
>> sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a
>> poor gas
>> line?
>>
>> --
>> Rob Allen
>> '76 x-PB
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48774 is a reply to message #48771] Tue, 07 July 2009 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Gerbil is currently offline  Tin Gerbil   United States
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Be honest, wear your dunce cap when showing the coach to prospective
buyers. Always better to appear stupid, than dishonest.
Good Luck with your sale and finding a 23'.

Guy Lopes wrote:
> Not just yet. I have 3 people, who have seen my web site with the lower
> price, coming to look at it today and tomorrow. I may just leave it and make
> it more of a firm price rather than planning on negotiating. At the very
> least nobody can claim that I am "playing" with the price. I don't want to
> even appear to be dishonest or flaky.
>
> Hopefully I won't need to worry about it after today... <crossing fingers
> here>.
>
> I have removed the description of the generator problem from the web site
> however.
>
> Guy Lopes
> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
> www.gmcstuff.com
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:52 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>
> So, are you raising the price back up $500?
>
>
>
> Emery
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Guy Lopes <guylopes@surewest.net> wrote:
>
>> Well what do you know! These Onan generators actually require fuel
>> to run!
>>
>> While in the "battle" to get the Avion ready to show, I jumped to
>> conclusions when the Onan wouldn't stay running. Lack of fuel in the
>> main
>> tank was in fact the culprit.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> And now, borrowing Rick Denny's signature style:
>>
>> Guy "The day I stop learning is the day that I'm six feet under" Lopes
>> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
>> www.gmcstuff.com
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Guy Lopes
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:56 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>>
>>
>> Um... (smacking myself on the forehead and feeling a little stupid)
>> yes, now
>> I do seem to remember that I was a little low on fuel. I'll find out
>> in the
>> morning.
>>
>> (must... check... the main... tank...)
>>
>> I'll let you know in the morning if I made a dumb mistake (can I
>> call it an
>> oversight?).
>>
>> Thank you Rob for pointing out something that should have been
>> obvious to me
>> and should have checked. I'm a little busy now and simply jumped to a
>> conclusion.
>>
>> Guy Lopes
>> 75 26' Avion for sale and looking for a 23'
>> www.gmcstuff.com
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Allen
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:12 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I hate to sound silly, but could it be you are just out of gas?
>> Running for
>> a minute, with varying RPM, then shut down sounds like gas issues to
>> me,
>> especially if it ran fine yesterday. Hate to see you get less
>> money, or no
>> sale if it is simple. Clogged fuel filter? Sucking air through a
>> poor gas
>> line?
>>
>> --
>> Rob Allen
>> '76 x-PB
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #48800 is a reply to message #48774] Tue, 07 July 2009 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Guy Lopes is currently offline  Guy Lopes   United States
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Gordon,

I am always open and honest with potential buyers of ANYTHING that I happen
to be selling. It may sound old fashioned, but it helps me sleep at night.

As far as my dunce cap, I keep one handy at all times and am not afraid to
wear it. In fact I wear it quite frequently thank you very much.

I just sold the Avion after talking with the guy for over an hour. He bought
it sight unseen, except for the photos on my web site. Since he is flying
into Sacramento from Portland tomorrow, I explained to him everything that I
could think of about the coach. He already knew about the positives, so we
spent almost the entire time talking about potential negatives. So again, I
can sleep tonight.

Cheers,

Guy Lopes
Looking for a 23'
Sacramento, CA



-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:19 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem

Be honest, wear your dunce cap when showing the coach to prospective
buyers. Always better to appear stupid, than dishonest.
Good Luck with your sale and finding a 23'.






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