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Re: Gas [message #369936 is a reply to message #369934] |
Sun, 12 June 2022 18:17 |
blur911
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mghamms wrote on Sun, 12 June 2022 17:04boybach wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 19:09In a perfect world, Canada would build a refinery and refine the mud from the tar sands in situ.
The country's domestic consumption could be priced accordingly and well below world price.
Unfortunately, the world is NOT perfect.
Larry
In a perfect world, Canada would leave the mud in the ground. That stuff is as dirty as coal.
In Canada they use relatively clean petroleum gas to extract that crap. Same for US tar sands.
Good point.
In the same vein, how dirty is the ethanol that's added to gasoline?
It cost me $107CAD to fill a Subaru today. I've not had to do much driving lately, plus, it doesn't take premium like our last Subaru did, so it didn't hurt so badly.
Now, if I can just get my Onan to burn some gasoline. I finally have spark.
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her Roxie
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Re: Gas [message #369937 is a reply to message #369936] |
Sun, 12 June 2022 18:54 |
mghamms
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blur911 wrote on Sun, 12 June 2022 18:17mghamms wrote on Sun, 12 June 2022 17:04boybach wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 19:09In a perfect world, Canada would build a refinery and refine the mud from the tar sands in situ.
The country's domestic consumption could be priced accordingly and well below world price.
Unfortunately, the world is NOT perfect.
Larry
In a perfect world, Canada would leave the mud in the ground. That stuff is as dirty as coal.
In Canada they use relatively clean petroleum gas to extract that crap. Same for US tar sands.
Good point.
In the same vein, how dirty is the ethanol that's added to gasoline?
It cost me $107CAD to fill a Subaru today. I've not had to do much driving lately, plus, it doesn't take premium like our last Subaru did, so it didn't hurt so badly.
Now, if I can just get my Onan to burn some gasoline. I finally have spark.
I think that using food to make gas was never a good idea.
My Volvo XC40 Recharge gets one mile for $.10 with our high Massachusetts electric rate.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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Re: Gas [message #369939 is a reply to message #369879] |
Sun, 12 June 2022 21:06 |
Tom Katzenberger
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Not only food, the destruction ethanol has caused engines is unbelievable. I remember when people were just throwing away their old Briggs and Stratton engines thinking they were old and failed. Never knowing that the new ethanol fuel was eating up the carburetor "O" rings. Perfectly good engines destroyed by Ethanol. They would have lasted many more years if not for Ethanol. Small engines are still being damaged as ethanol fuel has a 4 month shelf life and it pull moisture from the air around it and suspends the water in the fuel. Straight gas has a 4 year shelf life.
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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Re: Gas [message #369941 is a reply to message #369939] |
Mon, 13 June 2022 10:35 |
mghamms
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Tom Katzenberger wrote on Sun, 12 June 2022 21:06Not only food, the destruction ethanol has caused engines is unbelievable. I remember when people were just throwing away their old Briggs and Stratton engines thinking they were old and failed. Never knowing that the new ethanol fuel was eating up the carburetor "O" rings. Perfectly good engines destroyed by Ethanol. They would have lasted many more years if not for Ethanol. Small engines are still being damaged as ethanol fuel has a 4 month shelf life and it pull moisture from the air around it and suspends the water in the fuel. Straight gas has a 4 year shelf life.
Ethanol was not a great replacement for the lead.
Not a perfect solution but at least it didn't do the harm to people and the environment that lead did.
Used for political reasons to support farmers.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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Re: Gas [message #369945 is a reply to message #369879] |
Mon, 13 June 2022 20:04 |
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I run only E10 87 and store it at 1/4 tank over winter at 45F. No problems ever. I have Barricade fuel lines. Just did a 400 mile trip. No issues. Ethanol has an octane equivalent of 113. Great antiknock properties. No MTBE toxins. Yes slightly less calories. But I can run more timing than with 87 E0. People used to love alcohol. It was sold as HEET. They would pay money and then pour it in their tanks. Nonsense that E10 is THAT bad.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: Gas [message #369950 is a reply to message #369945] |
Tue, 14 June 2022 14:47 |
Keith V
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JohnL455 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2022 20:04I run only E10 87 and store it at 1/4 tank over winter at 45F. No problems ever. I have Barricade fuel lines. Just did a 400 mile trip. No issues. Ethanol has an octane equivalent of 113. Great antiknock properties. No MTBE toxins. Yes slightly less calories. But I can run more timing than with 87 E0. People used to love alcohol. It was sold as HEET. They would pay money and then pour it in their tanks. Nonsense that E10 is THAT bad.
The poison is in the dose.
adding 1/2 pint to 20 gallons is not 10%
uh 87 octane is still 87 octane, how do you run more timing?
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
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Re: Gas [message #369959 is a reply to message #369950] |
Wed, 15 June 2022 11:18 |
mghamms
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I had a '78 Fiat 124 Spider that I took all the emission controls out of. Jetted the carb so it would beat most street cars at the time.
Added a gulp valve so it wouldn't backfire {missfire ?}.
Added lots of Heat or whatever was cheapest to about 25% ethanol so that it would pass our emission test.
Always worked.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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Re: Gas [message #369960 is a reply to message #369879] |
Wed, 15 June 2022 11:57 |
JohnL455
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How do I get away with more timing? Because with ethanol peak cyl pressure comes on more smoothly. Also less calories, tolerates more timing. 87 is rating for pre ignition. Yes 87 is 87. Ethanol behaves differently post spark event. Therefore tolerates the spark event happening sooner. Plus with high fuel costs, any deviation off route to purchase E0 won’t pay off in both time and money.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: Gas [message #369962 is a reply to message #369960] |
Wed, 15 June 2022 16:58 |
tphipps
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Just wait until E15 is forced down your tanks. All 4 of my vehicles have warning against anything higher than E-10. Accidently got approximately 1/2 tank of E-15, gas mileage dropped 15% and ran very poorly.
Lesson learned, read the pump signage.
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Re: Gas [message #370150 is a reply to message #369941] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 17:21 |
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mghamms wrote on Mon, 13 June 2022 11:35Ethanol was not a great replacement for the lead.
Not a perfect solution but at least it didn't do the harm to people and the environment that lead did.
Used for political reasons to support farmers.
Geopolitical, yes, and not just farmers. Corn was essentially "weaponized" - a renewable resource that could be used to make products and additives, from near-gas substitute to near-food substitutes. The latter are doing more harm to people than the former. Try finding a food without a corn byproduct in it. Made the U.S. more self reliant but at substantial cost.
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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Re: Gas [message #370170 is a reply to message #369879] |
Thu, 21 July 2022 19:20 |
blur911
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MTBE is still used in Canada. I don't know the percentages vs ethanol, but gasoline octane enhancer preference seems to be political. I have no idea of the nuances, payoffs and conspiracies regarding it.
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her Roxie
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Re: Gas [message #370171 is a reply to message #369879] |
Thu, 21 July 2022 21:47 |
JohnL455
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XL if it had been economically feasible, would not be on line at this time. So please don’t state that as the reason for current price gouging. By the way, prices have dropped every recent week here with no weeks of increases. About $4.55 here, which on a global comparative scale is very inexpensive.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: Gas [message #370172 is a reply to message #369879] |
Fri, 22 July 2022 09:48 |
Tom Katzenberger
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You can not discuss the current price of fuel this last year and a half without discussing politics. Therefore no rebuttal to the claim of price gouging can be made.
When I pointed the political finger as to cause, I was correctly reprimanded by the moderator, as this is no place for politics. So with that in mind, I say the blame does not simply fall on the free market system. I suggest we stay on the rails and discuss the adverse effects of ethanol.
Take care,
Tom K.
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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Re: Gas [message #370175 is a reply to message #370174] |
Sat, 23 July 2022 10:04 |
rjw
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Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 23 July 2022 09:34While I understand that the cause of the fuel prices may be political, so that will not be discussed.
What is very true is that we have limited resources and I am sure that may others do as well. I am watching fuel prices along the intended route (Thank You GasBuddy) and hoping that some time before 01 September I can plan a route that gets the projected cash cost of the excursion into a range that we can manage. Right now, that is not looking so good.
Such is the nature of life these days.
Matt
Matt,
I hope your party yesterday was a good one. I'm sorry I ended up not being able to make it. We did get a lot done with the landscaping project.
With fuel @ ~ $5.50/gal it would be ~$800 plus rally fees etc. for me to travel solo to the rally in Tennessee. Puts the direct expense cost over $1300. Since I figure I have only so many trips to GMCMI rallies left in the future (sadly it appears I'll age out before the motorhome does) I'm still considering the trip. If it goes to >$6.00/gal I'm staying home and will do local trips instead.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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Re: Gas [message #370176 is a reply to message #369879] |
Sat, 23 July 2022 12:35 |
JohnL455
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$4.45 in my area for E10 87. $4.09 just north in Wisconsin. Also I get $.15 off with card so in the $3’s.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: Gas [message #370177 is a reply to message #370175] |
Sat, 23 July 2022 16:43 |
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rjw wrote on Sat, 23 July 2022 11:04
With fuel @ ~ $5.50/gal it would be ~$800 plus rally fees etc. for me to travel solo to the rally in Tennessee. Puts the direct expense cost over $1300. Since I figure I have only so many trips to GMCMI rallies left in the future (sadly it appears I'll age out before the motorhome does) I'm still considering the trip. If it goes to >$6.00/gal I'm staying home and will do local trips instead.
I just checked the Gas Buddy map from MI to TN and the prices have come waaay down. Most are under $4/gal and $3.50 is achievable.
Think positive - we have to lure our northern neighbors over the border to spend some of their cubic Canadian dollars here. Stimulate the economy and all... 😉
R
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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Re: Gas [message #370179 is a reply to message #369879] |
Sun, 24 July 2022 00:44 |
boybach
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I just put $250 in, that bought me 34.6 US gallons = Can$7.23/US gal or US$5.60/US gal
Larry
Larry - Victoria BC -
1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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Re: Gas [message #370185 is a reply to message #370179] |
Sun, 24 July 2022 11:48 |
mghamms
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Anyone that wants some insight on what is going to happen to gas prices look at the crude oil future prices.
They indicate that the price of oil is dropping steady for the next year or so about 10%.
Pin the blame on that where you want.
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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