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From: Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale
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Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013, 8:44 PM
--- On Thu, 2/28/13, D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013, 6:49 PM
Just for a bit of reference, my 1999 GMC Sierra
2500's 6.0 L (366 CID) engine is rated at 300 HP
at 4800 RPM and 355 lb-ft torque at 4000 RPM. Its
tow rating with the 3.73:1 axle is 8500 pounds.
The GVWR is 7200 pounds. I expect empty weight is
5000 pounds or a bit more (never weighed). It has
gotten 12 mpg with 8000 pound trailer behind on
the flatlands of Illinois and Indiana. Throw in
the Ozarks of Missouri, and the hills of Ohio
and NW PA and SW NY and it would drop to average
of around 8-9 mpg. Empty, it will do the 16 mpg of
its EPA rating if I keep it at 65 or better.
I expect it would do a pretty decent job of moving
the GMC with a decent drive train.
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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:12:52 +1100
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale
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> RC,
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> It would be nice to see what the torque is down in the 1200 rpm range for the engines below. It is safe to assume that the diesel
> would be higher than the 8.1.
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> However, I doubt either the 403 or 455 would even come close to producing 400 ft lb at 1200 rpm.
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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> From: RC Jordan
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> Similar chart here for the 455 & 403
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> http://www.gmccoop.com/images/403_vs_455.jpg
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> Doesn't go below 1700 rpm, though.
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> The 6.7L Ford Powerstroke chart
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> http://www.hsperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/2011-STOCKvsHOT.jpg
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| Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale [message #200229 is a reply to message #200223] |
Thu, 28 February 2013 21:03 |
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Norm,
Just a guess -- but somehow you inadvertantly clicked on the reply button. Not uncommon on the forum -- especially if you are viewing using an ipad or smartphone. I have managed to do the same as well as click on "ignore this user" and "report this post" -- too many thumbs....
Dennis
| storm'n wrote on Thu, 28 February 2013 19:52 |
How did my name get on this?
From: Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013, 8:44 PM
--- On Thu, 2/28/13, D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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| Re: Diesel GMC for sale [message #200954 is a reply to message #200089] |
Thu, 07 March 2013 21:10 |
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| armandminnie wrote on Wed, 27 February 2013 08:40 |
You do know that both Bill Hubler and Mark Hogenboom have installed big diesels in their GMCs? Mark says he can make oil pans - "how many do you want?". Apparently not that hard to do if you have what it takes - either money or skill or both.
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The GM 6.5 is a good choice for the GMC since it is a high speed diesel unlike the 4 and 6 cyl options. With our gear sets, we need the ability to make passing manuevers at 60 to 65. The early Cummins Dodges had virtually no high speed abilities until transmissions with more gears were added. The other nice thing about the 6.5 is that it used an indirect combustion chamber and was much quieter than the competition. I recall that 1996 and later were drive by wire Bosch pumps.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale [message #201004 is a reply to message #200954] |
Fri, 08 March 2013 11:40 |
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I read someplace that the indirect - they called them 'Riccardo' - chambered heads were less efficient that open chambered Diesels, and that they were allergic to starting fluid due to possibler damage, but were substantially quieter at idle than open chamber. My VW seerms to bear this out, is it true?
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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From: Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale
armandminnie wrote on Wed, 27 February 2013 08:40
> You do know that both Bill Hubler and Mark Hogenboom have installed big diesels in their GMCs? Mark says he can make oil pans - "how many do you want?". Apparently not that hard to do if you have what it takes - either money or skill or both.
The GM 6.5 is a good choice for the GMC since it is a high speed diesel unlike the 4 and 6 cyl options. With our gear sets, we need the ability to make passing manuevers at 60 to 65. The early Cummins Dodges had virtually no high speed abilities until transmissions with more gears were added. The other nice thing about the 6.5 is that it used an indirect combustion chamber and was much quieter than the competition. I recall that 1996 and later were drive by wire Bosch pumps.
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78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale [message #201095 is a reply to message #201004] |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 08 March 2013 12:40 |
I read someplace that the indirect - they called them 'Riccardo' - chambered heads were less efficient that open chambered Diesels, and that they were allergic to starting fluid due to possibler damage, but were substantially quieter at idle than open chamber. My VW seerms to bear this out, is it true?
--johnny
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Johnny,
As a diesel engineer by trade (actually USCG Licensed - unlimited), I will run a short bit here about that.
Indirect injection diesels come in lots of different types, and Ricardo chamber is just one of them. Neither MB nor VW ever used Ricardo chambers. I believe Caterpillar did in an old engine series. It is kind of a Cresent wrench thing. People that saw (or were told they saw) Ricardo chambers ever after called all varieties of PC - Ricardo. Yes, they are all less efficient than open combustion chamber engines, and no, they are not all quieter than all open chamber engines. This has a lot to do with the chamber design. The loss of efficiency is only apparent at high loads, but the place diesel really shines is at part load because they don't need a throttle place to control them. That is why my 79 Rabbit did 56~58MPG and my 59 MB190D (a car one would now call full size) did 36MPG. My others did as well.
Ether based starting fluid is a bad idea with any engine. And yes, it is possibly hardest on a PC diesel. (I have not idea which of those is better/worst.) But I have seen so many engines damaged with that <stuff> that I avoid it until there is absolutely no alternative. The only cans I have were either given to me or I confiscated them from people that should not have had them at all......
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale [message #201100 is a reply to message #201095] |
Sat, 09 March 2013 08:28 |
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Thanks for the clarification. This is my third VW diesel, I like the mileage and the fact that they 'rat out' fairly gracefully. I've never needed starting fluid in one. This one came with a can of it in back which I took to work.. it's pretty good stuff for getting fingerprints off RF plumbing and power tube coolers before installation. The only problem I have had with them is somewhere north of 200,000 the rest of the car begins to come apart, I suspect from vibration.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale
Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 08 March 2013 12:40
> I read someplace that the indirect - they called them 'Riccardo' - chambered heads were less efficient that open chambered Diesels, and that they were allergic to starting fluid due to possibler damage, but were substantially quieter at idle than open chamber. My VW seerms to bear this out, is it true?
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> --johnny
Johnny,
As a diesel engineer by trade (actually USCG Licensed - unlimited), I will run a short bit here about that.
Indirect injection diesels come in lots of different types, and Ricardo chamber is just one of them. Neither MB nor VW ever used Ricardo chambers. I believe Caterpillar did in an old engine series. It is kind of a Cresent wrench thing. People that saw (or were told they saw) Ricardo chambers ever after called all varieties of PC - Ricardo. Yes, they are all less efficient than open combustion chamber engines, and no, they are not all quieter than all open chamber engines. This has a lot to do with the chamber design. The loss of efficiency is only apparent at high loads, but the place diesel really shines is at part load because they don't need a throttle place to control them. That is why my 79 Rabbit did 56~58MPG and my 59 MB190D (a car one would now call full size) did 36MPG. My others did as well.
Ether based starting fluid is a bad idea with any engine. And yes, it is possibly hardest on a PC diesel. (I have not idea which of those is better/worst.) But I have seen so many engines damaged with that <stuff> that I avoid it until there is absolutely no alternative. The only cans I have were either given to me or I confiscated them from people that should not have had them at all......
Matt
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'73 Glacier 23 Chaumičre (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
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| Re: [GMCnet] Diesel GMC for sale [message #201625 is a reply to message #201004] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 23:15 |
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""I read someplace that the indirect - they called them 'Riccardo' - chambered heads were less efficient that open chambered Diesels, and that they were allergic to starting fluid due to possibler damage, but were substantially quieter at idle than open chamber. My VW seerms to bear this out, is it true?""
Yes that is true.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367447 is a reply to message #199992] |
Mon, 01 November 2021 18:10 |
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Manny was working on a kit using that motor for a while. I certainly would
like it. I suspect gas is going to be hard to get and expensive in 20+
years.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 16:08 D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
> The description that he has had this for quite
> a few years sends a "beware" signal to me!
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> I only know of three Diesel powered GMC
> motorhomes, one done by a Dutch chap, the
> one in Rio Rancho, NM and I think one done
> by Jim Bounds in the last year or two.
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> There may be others, but.....
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> D C "Mac" Macdonald
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> Must be
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> Sully
> Bellevue wa
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> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 3:40 PM wrote:
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>> Is it still front wheel drive?
>>
>> Larry
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>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working
>> but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
>> exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat
>> exchange hoses
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367450 is a reply to message #199992] |
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The chap was Dennis Sweeney north of Reno. He corrected Manny's install
and supplied the new engine when the original broke the crankshaft. AM
General used Dennis as their advisor for upgrades to the engine beyond what
they got from GM.
It's a well upgraded coach with room for personal customization.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:09 PM James Hupy wrote:
> Sounds like one of Manny Traveo's diesel conversions. I watched him do one.
> Used a brand new AM General engine in the conversions. Bought them from a
> supplier in Las Vegas. Had a bunch of special parts on the engine to clear
> the hatch. He beefed up the transmissions to handle the additional torque,
> and fitted them with 1 ton conversions as well. Dont know what final drive
> ratio that he fitted them with. If you chase down the exact coach and call
> him, he can fill you in on the exact details. Very sanitary swap.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
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> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 3:57 PM Todd Sullivan wrote:
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>> Must be
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>> Sully
>> Bellevue wa
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>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 3:40 PM wrote:
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>>> Is it still front wheel drive?
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>>> Larry
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>>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working
>>> but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace.
> SS
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>>> exchange hoses
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367459 is a reply to message #367456] |
Tue, 02 November 2021 01:13 |
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Think about it, 2030-35, new gas vehicle sales end, but they'll taper down
before that, and in 5 years, I'll bet gas will start getting harder to
find. I'm thinking it will stay available everywhere, but you'll have to
check an app for it.
A diesel that can run biodiesel or cooking oil can get or make fuel
anywhere, which is why I'm interested.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 21:16 Lawrence Belland wrote:
> Once they stop selling gas vehicles they still have to support them for 20
> years.
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> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:29 PM Simon wrote:
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>> By that point, we might have to start figuring out ways to convert to
>> electric! Over a dozen countries will have phased out sale of all new gas
>> vehicles — including Germany and UK— with an aggressive 2030 deadline.
>> (Unless their plans change) Canada’s deadline is 2040.
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>>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Ronald Pottol
>> wrote:
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>>> Manny was working on a kit using that motor for a while. I certainly
>> would
>>> like it. I suspect gas is going to be hard to get and expensive in 20+
>>> years.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367487 is a reply to message #199992] |
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If you guys think the Dupont's, Getty's and Rockefeller's of the world are
just going to roll over and play along with these government mandates about
ev's like a pack of puppies, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Big Oil ain't
gonna take this s##t lying down. Fossil fueled vehicles are going to be
with us for a very long time. We will still be able to get gas for our
coaches, long after these California politicians are nowhere to be found.
That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 3:04 PM Dave Stragand wrote:
> Only a couple of states are mandating the electrics though, correct? If
> that’s the case, I imagine a lot of traditional engines will still be made.
>
>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Ronald Pottol
> wrote:
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>> Think about it, 2030-35, new gas vehicle sales end, but they'll taper
> down
>> before that, and in 5 years, I'll bet gas will start getting harder to
>> find. I'm thinking it will stay available everywhere, but you'll have to
>> check an app for it.
>>
>> A diesel that can run biodiesel or cooking oil can get or make fuel
>> anywhere, which is why I'm interested.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367488 is a reply to message #367459] |
Thu, 04 November 2021 17:04 |
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Only a couple of states are mandating the electrics though, correct? If that’s the case, I imagine a lot of traditional engines will still be made.
> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Ronald Pottol wrote:
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> Think about it, 2030-35, new gas vehicle sales end, but they'll taper down
> before that, and in 5 years, I'll bet gas will start getting harder to
> find. I'm thinking it will stay available everywhere, but you'll have to
> check an app for it.
>
> A diesel that can run biodiesel or cooking oil can get or make fuel
> anywhere, which is why I'm interested.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367490 is a reply to message #367487] |
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It’s not about big-oil or the government. The market will soon demand more electric cars than gas cars and trucks because they will be better, faster, cheaper.
ICE has had a good run, and it’s not over yet, but electric motoring is going to dominate.
This will bring creative opportunities for our motorhomes. As battery density and motor efficiency increases replacing 350 lbs of gasoline and 600 lbs of engine with batteries and maybe hub motors will be attractive to many.
Just as some are wild about diesel, cad 500’s, and fuel injection, so will some be wild about electrons. Pull into an RV park for the night and get a “full tank”? Kinda nice.
Pull into home base empty and let the solar panel top up the battery over a few days for free? Why not.
The future is going to be a gas, just not much petroleum gas!
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Yup - EFI
> On Nov 4, 2021, at 3:15 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> If you guys think the Dupont's, Getty's and Rockefeller's of the world are
> just going to roll over and play along with these government mandates about
> ev's like a pack of puppies, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Big Oil ain't
> gonna take this s##t lying down. Fossil fueled vehicles are going to be
> with us for a very long time. We will still be able to get gas for our
> coaches, long after these California politicians are nowhere to be found.
> That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 3:04 PM Dave Stragand wrote:
>>
>> Only a couple of states are mandating the electrics though, correct? If
>> that’s the case, I imagine a lot of traditional engines will still be made.
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Ronald Pottol
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Think about it, 2030-35, new gas vehicle sales end, but they'll taper
>> down
>>> before that, and in 5 years, I'll bet gas will start getting harder to
>>> find. I'm thinking it will stay available everywhere, but you'll have to
>>> check an app for it.
>>>
>>> A diesel that can run biodiesel or cooking oil can get or make fuel
>>> anywhere, which is why I'm interested.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale [message #367491 is a reply to message #199992] |
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Don't count gasoline and Diesel out for a LONG, LONG time.
Current electrical infrastructure will not support charging
for more than about one in two or three hundred (or many
more) houses.
Massive adoption of nuclear power will be needed to even
BEGIN to supply the needed power for all that charging and
that is hardly likely to fly against the wind of the eco-freaks!
The ecological destruction that will be needed to massively
expand the electrical infrastructure will make the reaction to
nuclear power expansion look like a Sunday school picnic!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
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Since 30 Novemb'53
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It’s not about big-oil or the government. The market will soon demand more electric cars than gas cars and trucks because they will be better, faster, cheaper.
ICE has had a good run, and it’s not over yet, but electric motoring is going to dominate.
This will bring creative opportunities for our motorhomes. As battery density and motor efficiency increases replacing 350 lbs of gasoline and 600 lbs of engine with batteries and maybe hub motors will be attractive to many.
Just as some are wild about diesel, cad 500’s, and fuel injection, so will some be wild about electrons. Pull into an RV park for the night and get a “full tank”? Kinda nice.
Pull into home base empty and let the solar panel top up the battery over a few days for free? Why not.
The future is going to be a gas, just not much petroleum gas!
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Yup - EFI
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Fri, 05 November 2021 00:36 |
johnd01
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The grid has the capacity for off-hours charging. Too bad solar does not
work at off-hours. Unfortunately, nukes seem to be the only way out if
everyone drives a Tesla equivalent car unless we do a lot of combined-cycle
natural gas that the greenies want to get rid of.
Our peak load would move from 5-8 PM to 9 PM-7 AM. As a result, the
baseload generation would double, and there would not be much need (room)
for solar in the daytime. There would still be room to charge a car/truck
when needed, but the vast majority would be done on off-hours charging
rate.
We would still need hydro and batteries to even out the peaks and values.
Nukes do not throttle well.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:32 PM D C _Mac_ Macdonald
wrote:
> Don't count gasoline and Diesel out for a LONG, LONG time.
>
> Current electrical infrastructure will not support charging
> for more than about one in two or three hundred (or many
> more) houses.
>
> Massive adoption of nuclear power will be needed to even
> BEGIN to supply the needed power for all that charging and
> that is hardly likely to fly against the wind of the eco-freaks!
>
> The ecological destruction that will be needed to massively
> expand the electrical infrastructure will make the reaction to
> nuclear power expansion look like a Sunday school picnic!
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio - K2GKK
> Since 30 Novemb'53
> USAF and FAA, Ret'd
> Member GMCMI and Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
> '76 ex-Palm Beach
> k2gkk + hotmail dot com
> wwww.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb
>
> ________________________________
> From: Larry Davick
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 19:45
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale
>
> It’s not about big-oil or the government. The market will soon demand
> more electric cars than gas cars and trucks because they will be better,
> faster, cheaper.
>
> ICE has had a good run, and it’s not over yet, but electric motoring is
> going to dominate.
>
> This will bring creative opportunities for our motorhomes. As battery
> density and motor efficiency increases replacing 350 lbs of gasoline and
> 600 lbs of engine with batteries and maybe hub motors will be attractive to
> many.
>
> Just as some are wild about diesel, cad 500’s, and fuel injection, so will
> some be wild about electrons. Pull into an RV park for the night and get a
> “full tank”? Kinda nice.
>
> Pull into home base empty and let the solar panel top up the battery over
> a few days for free? Why not.
>
> The future is going to be a gas, just not much petroleum gas!
>
> Larry Davick
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Yup - EFI
>
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Thu, 04 November 2021 20:28 |
k2gkk
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Don't count gasoline and Diesel out for a LONG, LONG time.
Current electrical infrastructure will not support charging
for more than about one in two or three hundred (or many
more) houses.
Massive adoption of nuclear power will be needed to even
BEGIN to supply the needed power for all that charging and
that is hardly likely to fly against the wind of the eco-freaks!
The ecological destruction that will be needed to massively
expand the electrical infrastructure will make the reaction to
nuclear power expansion look like a Sunday school picnic!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio - K2GKK
Since 30 Novemb'53
USAF and FAA, Ret'd
Member GMCMI and Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
'76 ex-Palm Beach
k2gkk + hotmail dot com
wwww.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb
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From: Larry Davick
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 19:45
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale
It’s not about big-oil or the government. The market will soon demand more electric cars than gas cars and trucks because they will be better, faster, cheaper.
ICE has had a good run, and it’s not over yet, but electric motoring is going to dominate.
This will bring creative opportunities for our motorhomes. As battery density and motor efficiency increases replacing 350 lbs of gasoline and 600 lbs of engine with batteries and maybe hub motors will be attractive to many.
Just as some are wild about diesel, cad 500’s, and fuel injection, so will some be wild about electrons. Pull into an RV park for the night and get a “full tank”? Kinda nice.
Pull into home base empty and let the solar panel top up the battery over a few days for free? Why not.
The future is going to be a gas, just not much petroleum gas!
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Yup - EFI
> On Nov 4, 2021, at 3:15 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> If you guys think the Dupont's, Getty's and Rockefeller's of the world are
> just going to roll over and play along with these government mandates about
> ev's like a pack of puppies, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Big Oil ain't
> gonna take this s##t lying down. Fossil fueled vehicles are going to be
> with us for a very long time. We will still be able to get gas for our
> coaches, long after these California politicians are nowhere to be found.
> That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 3:04 PM Dave Stragand wrote:
>>
>> Only a couple of states are mandating the electrics though, correct? If
>> that’s the case, I imagine a lot of traditional engines will still be made.
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Ronald Pottol
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Think about it, 2030-35, new gas vehicle sales end, but they'll taper
>> down
>>> before that, and in 5 years, I'll bet gas will start getting harder to
>>> find. I'm thinking it will stay available everywhere, but you'll have to
>>> check an app for it.
>>>
>>> A diesel that can run biodiesel or cooking oil can get or make fuel
>>> anywhere, which is why I'm interested.
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The current state is just that - current. We move. Electric generation will increase to meet demand - it what efficient markets do.
Petrol has a competitor and it will come on strong and clean. Drive a Tesla and you’ll realize that electric cars, though still in their developmental infancy, are a match for petrol cars.
No threat to anyone. Just more choice and improvement for everyone.
My town of Fremont, California is where every Tesla in America comes from. The most American car made today from an expensive State. Still there is a pervasive dislike for these cars that I don’t understand. I wonder if Model T’s we’re so disliked by horse and buggy lovers.
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 4:18 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
>
> Don't count gasoline and Diesel out for a LONG, LONG time.
>
> Current electrical infrastructure will not support charging
> for more than about one in two or three hundred (or many
> more) houses.
>
> Massive adoption of nuclear power will be needed to even
> BEGIN to supply the needed power for all that charging and
> that is hardly likely to fly against the wind of the eco-freaks!
>
> The ecological destruction that will be needed to massively
> expand the electrical infrastructure will make the reaction to
> nuclear power expansion look like a Sunday school picnic!
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio - K2GKK
> Since 30 Novemb'53
> USAF and FAA, Ret'd
> Member GMCMI and Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
> '76 ex-Palm Beach
> k2gkk + hotmail dot com
> wwww.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb
>
> ________________________________
> From: Larry Davick
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 19:45
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Diesel GMC For Sale
>
> It’s not about big-oil or the government. The market will soon demand more electric cars than gas cars and trucks because they will be better, faster, cheaper.
>
> ICE has had a good run, and it’s not over yet, but electric motoring is going to dominate.
>
> This will bring creative opportunities for our motorhomes. As battery density and motor efficiency increases replacing 350 lbs of gasoline and 600 lbs of engine with batteries and maybe hub motors will be attractive to many.
>
> Just as some are wild about diesel, cad 500’s, and fuel injection, so will some be wild about electrons. Pull into an RV park for the night and get a “full tank”? Kinda nice.
>
> Pull into home base empty and let the solar panel top up the battery over a few days for free? Why not.
>
> The future is going to be a gas, just not much petroleum gas!
>
> Larry Davick
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Yup - EFI
>
>> On Nov 4, 2021, at 3:15 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> If you guys think the Dupont's, Getty's and Rockefeller's of the world are
>> just going to roll over and play along with these government mandates about
>> ev's like a pack of puppies, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Big Oil ain't
>> gonna take this s##t lying down. Fossil fueled vehicles are going to be
>> with us for a very long time. We will still be able to get gas for our
>> coaches, long after these California politicians are nowhere to be found.
>> That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 3:04 PM Dave Stragand wrote:
>>>
>>> Only a couple of states are mandating the electrics though, correct? If
>>> that’s the case, I imagine a lot of traditional engines will still be made.
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Ronald Pottol
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Think about it, 2030-35, new gas vehicle sales end, but they'll taper
>>> down
>>>> before that, and in 5 years, I'll bet gas will start getting harder to
>>>> find. I'm thinking it will stay available everywhere, but you'll have to
>>>> check an app for it.
>>>>
>>>> A diesel that can run biodiesel or cooking oil can get or make fuel
>>>> anywhere, which is why I'm interested.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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