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Sat, 23 October 2021 18:21

Greg C.

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I've read everything I could by the various authors on the forum on centering the steering box. Since I am about to take out the steering shaft in order to replace the boots and service the CV joint, I figured now is the time. Here is my current situation:

With the bolt holding the shaft to the box (roughly) parallel with the box cover per all the instructions, my steering wheel is 90 degrees to the right. The relay arm and link on the tie rod are not parallel with the frame, but to the right some.

The coach goes down the road straight with the center of the steering wheel at about 1 o'clock. I have not yet removed the wheel to check the alignment marks on the wheel/steering wheel hub.

I do not have an adjustable drag link. It is a solid member.

So I'm thinking I need to confirm the steering wheel is aligned to the hub properly, get the steering shaft in the correct position and lock down the steering wheel so it doesn't move, and then move the tie rod adjusters to get the wheels straight with the coach.

Am I correct so far?

I plan on making Ken Henderson's alignment tools to do a toe in adjustment once I get the wheels close to right.

Any other suggestions?

Oh, and is there a way to confirm that I have an original TZE steering box, i.e., some kind of identifier on the box itself?

Thanks so much!

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367288 is a reply to message #367287]

Sat, 23 October 2021 18:43

Matt Colie

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Greg,

Problem 1 - The bolt is no reference. The reference is the FLAT on the input shaft of the steering box.

Get out manual X7525, page 9-39 look at figure. That flat is what has to line up with the machined surface and the steering wheel should be straight ahead at that position. If that isn't right, nothing else matters.

(Should I add BTDT??)

Matt

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[GMCnet] Re: Steering box centering [message #367289 is a reply to message #367288]

Sat, 23 October 2021 18:52

James Hupy

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Yes there is a way to confirm that. A stock GMC steering box has 2 & 3/4
turns, full lock to opposite lock. If yours has more than that, It probably
has been replaced sometime in the last 40 years or so.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 4:43 PM Matt Colie wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Problem 1 - The bolt is no reference. The reference is the FLAT on the
> input shaft of the steering box.
>
> Get out manual X7525, page 9-39 look at figure. That flat is what has to
> line up with the machined surface and the steering wheel should be straight
> ahead at that position. If that isn't right, nothing else matters.
>
> (Should I add BTDT??)
>
> Matt
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Re: Steering box centering [message #367290 is a reply to message #367287]

Sat, 23 October 2021 19:19

Greg C.

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Yes, I know about the flat. I am guessing that the pinch bolt is somewhere close to the flat. I plan on making the magnet/ flat bar tool made by Alex Ferrara to confirm proper positioning when I take it all apart.

I guess my main question is can I get it right without an adjustable drag link?

2-3/4 turns- will check.

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367291 is a reply to message #367287]

Sat, 23 October 2021 23:44

Bill Van Vlack

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Yes, you will use the tie rod end adjustments to bring the wheels straight. The adjustable link makes sure that both tie rod ends move the same amount with each turn, shortening one side and lengthening the other equally. You can do that yourself if you're careful when you adjust the tie rod ends.

I found that I could unbolt and lift the coupling a little, place a wooden batten against the flat, and let the coupling slip down to hold it. Get the steering wheel aligned with its marks, count turns L&R to center it and then fix it there. If the batten doesn't line up, something in between the box and the steering wheel is clocked incorrectly. Fix that, and then turn the tie rods until the wheels point straight ahead.

All this is to make sure that when the steering wheel is pointing straight up and in the middle of its throw the box is then centered. At that point, a correctly adjusted box provides just a little resistance there and a little on both sides to help keep the coach pointed straight down the road. Then from the box to the wheels it's all up to alignment and (no) play in the rest of the downstream parts to finish the job.

Do the box centering verification before you take the steering box out so you know what you're up against once it's out. If the box is not centered you can raise the wheels and center it with a ?? size socket over the steering box splines and an extension and handle as if it were the steering wheel. Try to find the angle it was out to inform your lower steering column correction(s). With the steering wheel and box centered and fixed, the lower steering column will only connect one (the correct) way.

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367295 is a reply to message #367287]

Sun, 24 October 2021 11:42

Greg C.

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Thanks, Bill.

I don't plan on taking the box out unless I have to. It seems to work fine, but it is just a little squirrelly out on the road. I've

got about 1500 miles on the coach under my ownership so far.

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367297 is a reply to message #367295]

Sun, 24 October 2021 13:24

Bill Van Vlack

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Yep; I think the only reason to take it out would be to re-clock the sliding shaft. I took mine out and by-passed any slop issues by installing a Borgeson D-shaft and fittings.

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367303 is a reply to message #367287]

Sun, 24 October 2021 19:22

JohnL455

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The adjustable drag link is one more place to get things deeper out of whack. What matters is box is on center. This forces the relay and idler on center. (Unless you have an adjustable drag link where another level comes into play) 2 Tie rod adjusters get wheels centered and zero toe. Everything above the box is just a convenience grade thing so the steering wheel points to 12 o’clock but more importantly so that the signals cancel correctly. You need to pull intermediate shaft from box to see if on center unless you have a demonstrator unit (box with lower coupling) out to play with. Once you know that, you can pull the st wheel and HOPE the scribe on the upper shaft is at 12 and the wheel scribe line up to the shaft scribe. If not you need to bench the intermediate shaft and play tetris with the possible errors to put it back the 1 and only 1 correct way.
The adjustable relay is so once the box-intermediate-st wheel is correct you can do MINOR nuisance wheel centering to keep box on center. Any more than that forces the steering linkage with relay and idler off true center.

John Lebetski
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Re: Steering box centering [message #367312 is a reply to message #367287]

Mon, 25 October 2021 11:26

Greg C.

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Thanks, John. I will have to pull the shaft anyway as I need to service the CV joint and install new boots. I'm building Ken Henderson's alignment jig, and two swivel plates to set the tires on. I should be able to zero the steering straight ahead using the laser and proceed with the adjustments needed to get everything back to factory.

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags

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[GMCnet] Re: Steering box centering [message #367314 is a reply to message #367312]

Mon, 25 October 2021 11:56

jimk

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Greg,
The Factory specs are not correct as they were put in place back when we
used the Bias Belted tires.
Radial tires are considerably different.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:27 AM Greg Crawford
wrote:

> Thanks, John. I will have to pull the shaft anyway as I need to service
> the CV joint and install new boots. I'm building Ken Henderson's alignment
> jig, and two swivel plates to set the tires on. I should be able to zero
> the steering straight ahead using the laser and proceed with the adjustments
> needed to get everything back to factory.
> --
> Greg Crawford
> KM4ZCR
> Knoxville, TN
>
> "Ruby Sue"
> 1977 Royale
> Rear Bath
> 403 Engine
> American Eagle Wheels
> Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags
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[GMCnet] Re: Steering box centering [message #367315 is a reply to message #367312]

Mon, 25 October 2021 15:51

Ken Henderson

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Greg,

I consider the building of swivel plates a waste of time. 2-3 squares of 6
mil plastic under each wheel will serve as well. You won't have any
degrees-of-turn indication, but that's really superfluous anyway: What
you're trying to measure when you turn the wheels each way is the caster.
Since you want all of that you can get, just turn the wheels the same
number of steering wheel rotations each way to get equal maximum caster.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:27 PM Greg Crawford
wrote:

> Thanks, John. I will have to pull the shaft anyway as I need to service
> the CV joint and install new boots. I'm building Ken Henderson's alignment
> jig, and two swivel plates to set the tires on. I should be able to zero
> the steering straight ahead using the laser and proceed with the adjustments
> needed to get everything back to factory.
> --
> Greg Crawford
> KM4ZCR
> Knoxville, TN
>
> "Ruby Sue"
> 1977 Royale
> Rear Bath
> 403 Engine
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> Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags
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Re: Steering box centering [message #367318 is a reply to message #367287]

Tue, 26 October 2021 10:00

Greg C.

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Thanks Ken! Unfortunately, I have already made them out of 12x12 x 3/4 hope topped by 1/4 aluminum plate. I tend to overthink sometimes.

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367319 is a reply to message #367287]

Tue, 26 October 2021 10:07

Greg C.

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HDPE, not hope.

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367320 is a reply to message #367318]

Tue, 26 October 2021 10:13

Bill Van Vlack

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For aligning, you'll want the coach level, with pads under the tires to compensate for the slide plates and any pad variances; and rear bags set to ride height. Also the suspension should be settled each time after the front end is raised.

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.

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Tue, 26 October 2021 13:25

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Jim Bounds put out a 2 part video on steering just last week....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9U6hmcDJU

I haven't watched the whole thing as I'm not doing any work on my steering, but Jim usually knows what he is talking about....

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Re: Steering box centering [message #367322 is a reply to message #367287]

Tue, 26 October 2021 20:13

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I watched JimB's steering videos both parts 1 and 2 this past week. In part 1 he was calling the output shaft the input shaft and he corrected himself a couple of times. He talked about making the pitman arm parallel with the cover mounting surface when I believe he was wanting to reference the flat spot on the input shaft.

In part 2 he came back and tried to clarify the position of the input shaft with the cover mounting surface. Except this time he stated it was the intermediate shaft's pinch bolt groove that you line up to the cover mounting surface. This is not correct, it is the flat milled surface on the input shaft that is to be parallel to the cover mounting surface as shown on page 9-39 of the manual. It would be really nice if the pinch bolt was the reference point, then you could see at a glance, but the pinch bolt is at some random angle that does not match to anything when on high-point.

I hope he clarifies this before people get this messed up... Or if I am wrong, please advise me and I'll delete this post.

Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
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[GMCnet] Re: Steering box centering [message #367323 is a reply to message #367322]

Tue, 26 October 2021 22:56

jimk

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Bruce,
You need to excuse not only Jim B but the rest of us that are getting older
and get confused and not knowing.
I find myself not able to refer to correct parts and need to say some
phrases that is a true give away that I'm grasping for words.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:14 PM Bruce Hislop wrote:

> I watched JimB's steering videos both parts 1 and 2 this past week. In
> part 1 he was calling the output shaft the input shaft and he corrected
> himself
> a couple of times. He talked about making the pitman arm parallel with
> the cover mounting surface when I believe he was wanting to reference the
> flat
> spot on the input shaft.
>
> In part 2 he came back and tried to clarify the position of the input
> shaft with the cover mounting surface. Except this time he stated it was
> the
> intermediate shaft's pinch bolt groove that you line up to the cover
> mounting surface. This is not correct, it is the flat milled surface on the
> input shaft that is to be parallel to the cover mounting surface as shown
> on page 9-39 of the manual. It would be really nice if the pinch bolt was
> the reference point, then you could see at a glance, but the pinch bolt is
> at some random angle that does not match to anything when on high-point.
>
> I hope he clarifies this before people get this messed up... Or if I am
> wrong, please advise me and I'll delete this post.
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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Re: Steering box centering [message #367324 is a reply to message #367322]

Wed, 27 October 2021 00:56

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I watched them too, a lot of rambling and more of a commercial for those new intermediate shafts than any real info. Plus he needs a cameraman so he can zoom in on the things he refers to. No doubt there is some value in his presentations but as a relative newcomer to these TZE's, I find the presentations hard going. He needs a script/producer/cameraman IMO

PS he's younger than me

Larry

RF_Burns wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 18:13

I watched JimB's steering videos both parts 1 and 2 this past week. In part 1 he was calling the output shaft the input shaft and he corrected himself a couple of times. He talked about making the pitman arm parallel with the cover mounting surface when I believe he was wanting to reference the flat spot on the input shaft.

In part 2 he came back and tried to clarify the position of the input shaft with the cover mounting surface. Except this time he stated it was the intermediate shaft's pinch bolt groove that you line up to the cover mounting surface. This is not correct, it is the flat milled surface on the input shaft that is to be parallel to the cover mounting surface as shown on page 9-39 of the manual. It would be really nice if the pinch bolt was the reference point, then you could see at a glance, but the pinch bolt is at some random angle that does not match to anything when on high-point.

I hope he clarifies this before people get this messed up... Or if I am wrong, please advise me and I'll delete this post.

Larry - Victoria BC - 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses

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Wed, 27 October 2021 09:03

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GMC Motorhome business is so small there is no one that can finance a
professional aids.
If you feel you can pull it off , then I suggest you do it.
In our case, if it was not for our Air Filter parent company, we could not
tie up funds on lot of the projects we need to invest.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:56 PM wrote:

> I watched them too, a lot of rambling and more of a commercial for those
> new intermediate shafts than any real info. Plus he needs a cameraman so he
> can zoom in on the things he refers to. No doubt there is some value in
> his presentations but as a relative newcomer to these TZE's, I find the
> presentations hard going. He needs a script/producer/cameraman IMO
>
> Larry
>
> RF_Burns wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 18:13
>> I watched JimB's steering videos both parts 1 and 2 this past week. In
> part 1 he was calling the output shaft the input shaft and he corrected
>> himself a couple of times. He talked about making the pitman arm
> parallel with the cover mounting surface when I believe he was wanting to
>> reference the flat spot on the input shaft.
>>
>> In part 2 he came back and tried to clarify the position of the input
> shaft with the cover mounting surface. Except this time he stated it was
>> the intermediate shaft's pinch bolt groove that you line up to the cover
> mounting surface. This is not correct, it is the flat milled surface on
>> the input shaft that is to be parallel to the cover mounting surface as
> shown on page 9-39 of the manual. It would be really nice if the pinch
>> bolt was the reference point, then you could see at a glance, but the
> pinch bolt is at some random angle that does not match to anything when on
>> high-point.
>>
>> I hope he clarifies this before people get this messed up... Or if I am
> wrong, please advise me and I'll delete this post.
>
>
> --
> Larry - Victoria BC -
>
> 1977 Palm Beach 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the
> word NOT. New Atwood fridge, water heater & furnace. New SS exhaust system,
> 6000w Onan, Iota Converter, R134A A/C, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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[GMCnet] Re: Steering box centering [message #367326 is a reply to message #367325]

Wed, 27 October 2021 09:57

James Hupy

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I have some experience in doing tech video presentations for rallies. All I
can say is "It ain't as easy as it looks" I have shot, then reshot, and
sometimes reshot again to get a sequence that comes out the way it needs to
be.
I spent many years in a shop setting as a Vocational instructor trying
to make technical points about certain processes that I found easier to do
myself, rather than trying to explain it to the un-informed.
But, watching someone else do something technical is NOT THE SAME as
actually doing it with your own two hands.
Doing it in front of a video camera and facing concerns of proper
camera angles, focus, lighting, AND keeping the nomenclature specific and
exact is no easy task. Oh, yes I forgot about sound quality when you turn
away from the camera, too. Easier to wear a microphone that you have to
manage cords to. I have thousands of dollars worth of cameras, lighting,
monitors, patch cords, software mixing and editing programs just to do this.
"It ain't as easy as it looks, folks". Cut Jim Bounds a little slack,
please.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 7:03 AM Jim Kanomata wrote:

> GMC Motorhome business is so small there is no one that can finance a
> professional aids.
> If you feel you can pull it off , then I suggest you do it.
> In our case, if it was not for our Air Filter parent company, we could not
> tie up funds on lot of the projects we need to invest.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:56 PM wrote:
>
>> I watched them too, a lot of rambling and more of a commercial for those
>> new intermediate shafts than any real info. Plus he needs a cameraman so
> he
>> can zoom in on the things he refers to. No doubt there is some value in
>> his presentations but as a relative newcomer to these TZE's, I find the
>> presentations hard going. He needs a script/producer/cameraman IMO
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> RF_Burns wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 18:13
>>> I watched JimB's steering videos both parts 1 and 2 this past week. In
>> part 1 he was calling the output shaft the input shaft and he corrected
>>> himself a couple of times. He talked about making the pitman arm
>> parallel with the cover mounting surface when I believe he was wanting to
>>> reference the flat spot on the input shaft.
>>>
>>> In part 2 he came back and tried to clarify the position of the input
>> shaft with the cover mounting surface. Except this time he stated it was
>>> the intermediate shaft's pinch bolt groove that you line up to the
> cover
>> mounting surface. This is not correct, it is the flat milled surface on
>>> the input shaft that is to be parallel to the cover mounting surface as
>> shown on page 9-39 of the manual. It would be really nice if the pinch
>>> bolt was the reference point, then you could see at a glance, but the
>> pinch bolt is at some random angle that does not match to anything when
> on
>>> high-point.
>>>
>>> I hope he clarifies this before people get this messed up... Or if I am
>> wrong, please advise me and I'll delete this post.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Larry - Victoria BC -
>>
>> 1977 Palm Beach 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the
>> word NOT. New Atwood fridge, water heater & furnace. New SS exhaust
> system,
>> 6000w Onan, Iota Converter, R134A A/C, New fuel lines & heat exchange
> hoses
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>
>
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