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Atwood marine water heater [message #366740] Sun, 12 September 2021 19:46 Go to next message
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I usually only park up for a day or two before moving on and my heat exchanger keeps my hot water plenty warm/extremely hot.

I never bothered switching on the power to the Atwood marine heater, except this last week I was at a campground with hookups (first time ever hooked up) so I plugged in. After a couple of days, the hot water from running the engine was used up/cold so I switched on the power to the unit. After about 3 hours, I turned on the hot water tap and the water hadn't warmed up at all so it looks like the heater isn't working.

Is there a reset button on this unit or some switch other than the main switch near the breaker box?

TIA

Larry


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #366746 is a reply to message #366740] Sun, 12 September 2021 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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boybach wrote on Sun, 12 September 2021 20:46
I usually only park up for a day or two before moving on and my heat exchanger keeps my hot water plenty warm/extremely hot.
I never bothered switching on the power to the Atwood marine heater, except this last week I was at a campground with hookups (first time ever hooked up) so I plugged in. After a couple of days, the hot water from running the engine was used up/cold so I switched on the power to the unit. After about 3 hours, I turned on the hot water tap and the water hadn't warmed up at all so it looks like the heater isn't working.

Is there a reset button on this unit or some switch other than the main switch near the breaker box?

TIA
Larry
Larry,

Many have a resettable over heat control that is tripped by a 190° thermostat. Get in there and look for a red button.

Matt


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #366749 is a reply to message #366746] Sun, 12 September 2021 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Matt, will do!

Is it possible that the engine temp exceeded 190° via the heat exchanger and THAT tripped the thermostat even though the heater wasn't actually "on"?

Or is that impossible?

Larry


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #366750 is a reply to message #366740] Sun, 12 September 2021 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes. The safety sat does not know where the heat came from, just it’s over temp.

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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #366995 is a reply to message #366740] Wed, 29 September 2021 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found the reset switch, molto buried and not super convenient to use without a pretty good teardown - but ANYWAY - I reset the switch and the heater worked when I fired up the Onan.

What I'm concerned about is that the over-temperature switch may trip again every time I go for a drive; is there a way to limit the engine temp coming into the heater?

If the reset switch was more accessible, I'd just leave it as it is and reset it when I ran out of engine warmed water.

OTOH, It may be ok and not trip again. I haven't driven the coach since the reset but I have a hunch what I describe above could very well be the problem. The manual says something about matching the temps but I'm no plumber, that's for sure ... Rolling Eyes

Larry


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367000 is a reply to message #366740] Wed, 29 September 2021 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry,

You don't know the conditions that made that over-heat trip. It may have happen years ago and you won't know more until you try it. Mine has been known to trip when it really should have.

Matt


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367005 is a reply to message #366740] Thu, 30 September 2021 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Will report back after next trip, next week. Thanks Matt

Larry


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367186 is a reply to message #366740] Wed, 13 October 2021 01:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Saw this label on my water heater today as I was getting ready to fit the winterizing bypass hose ...

"Caution - If the water heater has been retrofitted with supplemental heating equipment you must adjust both the thermostat controlling the supplemental heat source (located in the water piping) and the thermostat on the water heater (behind the access panel) to the same temperature. Failure to adjust both thermostats to the same temperature can cause loss of proper temperature control."

Pretty sure the PO didn't do that and as far as I can tell there isn't any stat "in the water piping" unless I'm looking in the wrong place. So presuming there isn't a stat fitted in the heat exchanger lines, what would it look like and where would I get one?

Larry


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[GMCnet] Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367187 is a reply to message #367186] Wed, 13 October 2021 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I understand correctly, you're considering a thermostat for the engine
water heater lines feeding the house water heater. There was never one
from GMC. Presumably the plan was for the house water to reach the
engine's water temperature, or close to it, while there was no other heat
source (or overwhelming and effectively disabling propane if left on).
That's worked well for the past 45+ years except for the need for caution
with engine-heated water.

Unless you're concerned about the high temperature of engine-heated water,
don't worry about it. If that is your concern, look for a "mixing valve".

Ken H.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:10 AM wrote:

> Saw this label on my water heater today as I was getting ready to fit the
> winterizing bypass hose ...
>
> "Caution - If the water heater has been retrofitted with supplemental
> heating equipment you must adjust both the thermostat controlling the
> supplemental heat source (located in the water piping) and the thermostat
> on the water heater (behind the access panel) to the same temperature.
> Failure to adjust both thermostats to the same temperature can cause loss
> of proper temperature control."
>
> Pretty sure the PO didn't do that and as far as I can tell there isn't any
> stat "in the water piping" unless I'm looking in the wrong place. So
> presuming there isn't a stat fitted in the heat exchanger lines, what
> would it look like and where would I get one?
>
> Larry
> --
> Larry - Victoria BC -
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> 1977 Palm Beach 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the
> word NOT. New Atwood fridge, water heater & furnace. New SS exhaust system,
> 6000w Onan, Iota Converter, R134A A/C, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367191 is a reply to message #367187] Wed, 13 October 2021 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken, the issue is that the over-temp switch on my water heater (110v/engine heated only) is tripping due to the high temperature produced by the engine. I have no issue with hot water, other than the 110v heater doesn't work without resetting the deeply buried overtemp switch every time I start the engine. I'll have a look at mixing valves.

Larry

Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 03:23
If I understand correctly, you're considering a thermostat for the engine
water heater lines feeding the house water heater. There was never one
from GMC. Presumably the plan was for the house water to reach the
engine's water temperature, or close to it, while there was no other heat
source (or overwhelming and effectively disabling propane if left on).
That's worked well for the past 45+ years except for the need for caution
with engine-heated water.

Unless you're concerned about the high temperature of engine-heated water,
don't worry about it. If that is your concern, look for a "mixing valve".

Ken H.



Larry - Victoria BC - 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367193 is a reply to message #366740] Wed, 13 October 2021 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry, if I understand "mixing valves" correctly they/it would go into the water out line from the
water heater so very hot water would not get to the faucets. You don't need to reset the breaker
on the heater every time you start the engine. Only if after running the engine you wamt/need hot
water heated by electricity.


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367195 is a reply to message #367193] Wed, 13 October 2021 18:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kingd wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:58
You don't need to reset the breaker
on the heater every time you start the engine. Only if after running the engine you want/need hot
water heated by electricity.
mmmm ...that's a little bit like saying you only need to start the car if you want to go somewhere, isn't it?

I want hot water when I switch on the 110V., that's the whole point.

Larry


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367196 is a reply to message #367195] Wed, 13 October 2021 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry, I only recently started following this thread but have a comment that may or may not help. I have similar unit and when I bought my coach this year the PO advised me that the hot water heater did not work on 110V. I pulled the panel off and found the reset button need ing reset. Did so. Then each time I started the engine it and the coolant got up to temp, it popped (and a bear to get at if you have put things back together). Not knowing much yet about the problem, I ordered a new high low switch and installed it. It did the same thing... blew each time I ran the engine up to temp. Someone, I remember not who, suggested I go back and recheck ALL MY ASSOCIATED wiring was wired correctly to the hot water heater and make sure it is all tight. I did so and did not note any particular errors but it now appears it is no longer popping the reset button. I cannot figure out why nor do I know if it will last.... I do know, though, that the new thermostatic switches are different from the older version.
Rod


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Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367198 is a reply to message #367196] Wed, 13 October 2021 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Rod - Thanks for the tip - at least I now know I'm not alone or in a unique situation. The reset button sure is a bear to get to alright.

If I could rig up some kind of remote button pusher, that would seem to be a good way to go ...meanwhile ....(crickets)

thanks

Larry

Bandit wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 16:48
Larry, I only recently started following this thread but have a comment that may or may not help. I have similar unit and when I bought my coach this year the PO advised me that the hot water heater did not work on 110V. I pulled the panel off and found the reset button needing reset. Did so. Then each time I started the engine it and the coolant got up to temp, it popped (and a bear to get at if you have put things back together). Not knowing much yet about the problem, I ordered a new high low switch and installed it. It did the same thing... blew each time I ran the engine up to temp. Someone, I remember not who, suggested I go back and recheck ALL MY ASSOCIATED wiring was wired correctly to the hot water heater and make sure it is all tight. I did so and did not note any particular errors but it now appears it is no longer popping the reset button. I cannot figure out why nor do I know if it will last.... I do know, though, that the new thermostatic switches are different from the older version.
Rod


Larry - Victoria BC - 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
Re: Atwood marine water heater [message #367199 is a reply to message #367198] Wed, 13 October 2021 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've linked to this old thread because the situation with my Atwood EH-6 is very similar to what was discussed on the forum 9 years ago.
check it out:
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=24371&goto=192194&rid=0#msg_192194

When I was googling around looking for tips on how to deal with my reset switch I noticed that the Camco Kuuma heater was pretty much an exact copy of the Atwood EH6 in my rig - apart from the case material and ...wait for it ...THE RESET SWITCH!

The Kuuma hi-limit "switch" doesn't have a reset button, apparently (or at least my guess is) the switch is a bi-metal strip or something that resets itself when things cool down. The Kuuma manual says to trip the breaker on and off to do the reset. As these two heaters are practically identical in design, I'm wondering if I pick up a Kuuma hi-limit "switch" and fit it to the Atwood, it might simplify my problem - I could just go to the breaker panel to do the reset.
The other option would be fitting an extension to the existing reset button and drilling a hole for the extension through the cover - as Rob did 10 years ago, see clipped post below.


Larry.

USAussie wrote on Tue, 04 December 2012 13:40
Tom,

I did a Google search and found this:

https://www.kuumaproducts.com/products/6-gal-water-heater-120v-front-heat-exch-fr-back-mount

This heater looks just like the Atwood EH-6 I removed from Double Trouble and replaced with a Seaward unit.

<snip>

The high temperature regulator on my Atwood has a little red button to reset it. I drilled a hole through the cover that goes over the electrics so I could reset it without having to take the cover off. See the picture below: (PICTURE LINK DOES NOT WORK)

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/xantrex-inverter-install/p31262-xantrex-sw-2000-instal.html

If you look in the upper left hand corner of this picture you'll see the wiring schematic for the unit.

Regards,
Rob M.




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So first real test on a cold system this morning - fired up the Onan and switched on the water heater
Much to my surprise the reset switch held and the water heated up, so I guess another thing sorted out for the moment.... Still I'll drill s hole and extend that reset switch button next week when I install the by pass hose.

Larry


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