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Ernest Dankert is currently offline  Ernest Dankert   
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https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2021/07/30/rejuvenating-the-appearance-and-functionality-of-an-original-gm-10si-series-alternator?refer=hccweekly& ;utm_source=hccweekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-08-04

Nice tutorial on how to rebuild/repair our alternators.


1977 Eleganza II
Ogden NY
Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365863 is a reply to message #365862] Wed, 04 August 2021 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   Canada
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Ernest,

That is a real good page. The differences between the 10SI and our 27SI are not something most people would notice and the rebuild process is exactly the same. The big difference with ours is we don't have that resistor that is part of what make it a one-wire type.

Thanks

Matt


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[GMCnet] Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365880 is a reply to message #365862] Thu, 05 August 2021 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The last GM alternator I had rebuilt just a
month or so ago, was done by a local rebuilder.
New, American made parts included bearings (both ends) Stator and
Rotor, solid state regulator. Large binding post, and duplex connector.
Disassembled, cleaned, stripped threads repaired, and finally a larger
duplex pulley added. Reassembled tested and certified to produce 100 amps
output.
$94.00 in U.S. dollars. Probably better than a brand new one. Quality
has a high price, I guess.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, 11:37 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I see you can get a a rebuild kit from this seller for $34.99.
> https://www.maniacelectricmotors.com/10si-alternator-rebuild-kit.html
> I did not do a search for a lower price.
>
> Emery Stora
> emerystora@mac.com
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>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Ernest Dankert
> wrote:
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> https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2021/07/30/rejuvenating-the-appearance-and-functionality-of-an-original-gm-10si-series-alternator?refer=hccweekly& ;amp
>> ;utm_source=hccweekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-08-04
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>> Nice tutorial on how to rebuild/repair our alternators.
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[GMCnet] Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365881 is a reply to message #365862] Thu, 05 August 2021 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I see you can get a a rebuild kit from this seller for $34.99. https://www.maniacelectricmotors.com/10si-alternator-rebuild-kit.html
I did not do a search for a lower price.

Emery Stora
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> On Aug 4, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Ernest Dankert wrote:
>
> https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2021/07/30/rejuvenating-the-appearance-and-functionality-of-an-original-gm-10si-series-alternator?refer=hccweekly& ;amp
> ;utm_source=hccweekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-08-04
>
> Nice tutorial on how to rebuild/repair our alternators.
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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365900 is a reply to message #365862] Fri, 06 August 2021 06:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Note what the voltage "Set Point" is of the replacement voltage regulator module. My experience is common VRs are now running 14.8 volts which to me in our application is too high. I had to do some searching and came up with a 14.2 volt VR.

The Set point is the voltage the VR wants to see on the voltage sense wire (after the isolator). So you maybe seeing 15.5V at the center terminal of the isolator.

14.8V might be fine for quick recharging after start-up for personal car that just runs around town... starts drives for 5 ,miles then shut off. But our coaches typically run for several hours,fuel-up then run for several hours again. So 14.8V, or even 14.5V is high, so I went with 14.2V



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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365901 is a reply to message #365862] Fri, 06 August 2021 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My thoughts on diodes and regulator is if they are good old Delco parts, leave them alone. Replace the bearings and brushes, and clean all connections with D5 and reassemble. This has worked for me on GM vehicles.
And now a question for the experts. I understand the brush depressor tool (spray straw or wire provided) for reassembly, but is there a way to depress the brushes for disassembly so they don’t snap into the gap between the slip rings and crack the brush holder. Seems that happens about half the time for me.


John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
[GMCnet] Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365903 is a reply to message #365901] Fri, 06 August 2021 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, if you look carefully at the slip ring brush holders, you will see a
small drilled hole in them. I use round toothpicks or other NON-CONDUCTIVE
similar shaped item. Push the brush back in the holder, which compresses
the spring, insert toothpick, and "Bob's your uncle". Oh yes, don't forget
to pull the toothpicks after you slide the assembly together. Otherwise, no
chargee.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 5:33 AM John R. Lebetski
wrote:

> My thoughts on diodes and regulator is if they are good old Delco parts,
> leave them alone. Replace the bearings and brushes, and clean all
> connections
> with D5 and reassemble. This has worked for me on GM vehicles.
> And now a question for the experts. I understand the brush depressor tool
> (spray straw or wire provided) for reassembly, but is there a way to
> depress the brushes for disassembly so they don’t snap into the gap
> between the slip rings and crack the brush holder. Seems that happens about
> half the time for me.
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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365905 is a reply to message #365900] Fri, 06 August 2021 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RF_Burns wrote on Fri, 06 August 2021 07:48
Note what the voltage "Set Point" is of the replacement voltage regulator module. My experience is common VRs are now running 14.8 volts which to me in our application is too high. I had to do some searching and came up with a 14.2 volt VR.

The Set point is the voltage the VR wants to see on the voltage sense wire (after the isolator). So you maybe seeing 15.5V at the center terminal of the isolator.

14.8V might be fine for quick recharging after start-up for personal car that just runs around town... starts drives for 5 ,miles then shut off. But our coaches typically run for several hours,fuel-up then run for several hours again. So 14.8V, or even 14.5V is high, so I went with 14.2V
Bruce,

I steadfastly agree, but I never figured out how to get a regulator with the lower set point. Do you have part numbers or any clue?

Matt


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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365906 is a reply to message #365901] Fri, 06 August 2021 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 06 August 2021 08:32
My thoughts on diodes and regulator is if they are good old Delco parts, leave them alone. Replace the bearings and brushes, and clean all connections with D5 and reassemble. This has worked for me on GM vehicles.
And now a question for the experts. I understand the brush depressor tool (spray straw or wire provided) for reassembly, but is there a way to depress the brushes for disassembly so they don’t snap into the gap between the slip rings and crack the brush holder. Seems that happens about half the time for me.
John,

I have had the brushes hang up, but if you can take it apart from the front (sheave end, you can usually do this on a 27) one can tease the rotor out past the brushes.

Matt


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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild **Note to all TZE owners [message #365907 is a reply to message #365906] Fri, 06 August 2021 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   Canada
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While the Hemmings tutorial is great, one best pay attention to the fact that the TZEs were all a type 27SI small frame.
They are very much like a 10SI, but one of the big differences is that ours have a large diode trio and there is no resistor because ours use the remote sense lead for a voltage sense. Other than that, the pictures are real good.

Matt


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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild **Note to all TZE owners [message #365924 is a reply to message #365907] Fri, 06 August 2021 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FWIW......

According to the 78Z gmc parts book, the resistor was used in our alternators beginning in 1975. It's not pictured, but is listed as part of the PN 1101016 alternator introduced for 1975. This jibes with what I found in my 1975 Eleganza. OTOH, the resistor is NOT listed as part of the 140 amp alternator which was an (apparently rare) option in 1978. Wiah I had one of those!

HTH


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Re: GM Alternator Rebuild [message #365933 is a reply to message #365862] Fri, 06 August 2021 21:16 Go to previous message
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Matt,
I dug around in the Regitar and Trans-pro on-line catalogs until I found the style and voltage set-point I wanted. Then I had to order through an auto-electric rebuilder.

They kinda looked at me funny when I told them what I wanted as if to say "what's all this voltage and current stuff you speak of anyway??"





Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
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