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Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365729]

Tue, 27 July 2021 19:45

Tom Katzenberger

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Good evening all,

I have a 1977 23' Birchaven with 2 Charcoal Canisters. Is it worthwhile to keep 2 canisters or only necessary to have one?

Take care,
Tom K.

Tom & Oki Katzenberger, Kingsville, Maryland, 1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition

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[GMCnet] Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365730 is a reply to message #365729]

Tue, 27 July 2021 19:51

James Hupy

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One of those canisters traps gasoline tank expansion fumes, and routes it
to the inlet tract of the Carburetor. The other one takes the Carburetor
float bowl fuel expansion fumes and does the same thing. They both work to
reduce UHC in the atmosphere. I f they are serviceable, I would leave them
in place and make sure they work. Your experiences may vary.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 5:45 PM wrote:

> Good evening all,
>
> I have a 1977 23' Birchaven with 2 Charcoal Canisters. Is it worthwhile to
> keep 2 canisters or only necessary to have one?
>
> Take care,
> Tom K.
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> Kingsville, Maryland,
> 1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D.
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Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365731 is a reply to message #365729]

Tue, 27 July 2021 20:17

JohnL455

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The carbon canisters are engineering simplicity at it’s finest. Burning fuel vapors instead of venting to our atmosphere. I see no down sides to having them, only benefit.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365732 is a reply to message #365730]

Tue, 27 July 2021 20:31

midlf

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James Hupy wrote on Tue, 27 July 2021 19:51

One of those canisters traps gasoline tank expansion fumes, and routes it
to the inlet tract of the Carburetor. The other one takes the Carburetor
float bowl fuel expansion fumes and does the same thing. They both work to
reduce UHC in the atmosphere. I f they are serviceable, I would leave them
in place and make sure they work. Your experiences may vary.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

As a side note: Our ‘74 has two emissions canisters connected in series as the tank vent. This was part of the California emissions which also included gas tank heat shields on the exhaust pipe. (Coach was sold in Missouri so no idea why it has a CA emissions package.)

Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI

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[GMCnet] Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365733 is a reply to message #365732]

Tue, 27 July 2021 20:38

James Hupy

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That's a strange one. 2 canisters were introduced with the 403 in
California equipped coaches in mid year 1977. 1978 saw all coaches
(California and 48 states equipped) with 2 canisters. But they are 40+
years old, and "little Tommy tinkerer" has had his way with them. All kinds
of changes have magically appeared in these coaches.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:32 PM Steve Southworth
wrote:

> James Hupy wrote on Tue, 27 July 2021 19:51
>> One of those canisters traps gasoline tank expansion fumes, and routes it
>> to the inlet tract of the Carburetor. The other one takes the Carburetor
>> float bowl fuel expansion fumes and does the same thing. They both work
> to
>> reduce UHC in the atmosphere. I f they are serviceable, I would leave
> them
>> in place and make sure they work. Your experiences may vary.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>
> As a side note: Our ‘74 has two emissions canisters connected in series
> as the tank vent. This was part of the California emissions which also
> included gas tank heat shields on the exhaust pipe. (Coach was sold in
> Missouri so no idea why it has a CA emissions package.)
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365735 is a reply to message #365733]

Tue, 27 July 2021 22:11

Matt Colie

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No Mystery Here.

At the time of production, there was an EPA rule that required the vehicle to absorb HC vapors based on the fuel tank volume. Many coaches were fit with the series canisters. Mine was and is was sold in Michigan and later move to southern California.

To really answer your mystery, if you leave then alone you will never know that they are there. If like me, you want to decrease the spinach factor, look at them carefully, and you can figure out how they are stacked and take out the one that is the add-on. As long as the vapor separator in the left hind wheel well works, you will never know about it.

Matt

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Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365738 is a reply to message #365729]

Wed, 28 July 2021 08:18

Tom Katzenberger

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Thank you all. Mine are in a series. I think I will leave them as they are. I see no harm with the exception of more to go wrong. The best part is no part I guess.

Take care and have a wonderful day,
Tom K

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Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365753 is a reply to message #365729]

Wed, 28 July 2021 21:57

Ken Burton

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My 76 California coach came with and still has two canisters in series and also the exhaust heat shields.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365759 is a reply to message #365729]

Thu, 29 July 2021 11:05

Tom Katzenberger

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Thank you Ken, I have exhaust shield as well. I thought someone just added them, perhaps they are factory.

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Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365771 is a reply to message #365759]

Thu, 29 July 2021 23:25

Ken Burton

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The part is listed in the parts book as California only. Mine rusted the bracket and partially fell off. I rebuuilt it and reinstalled it again. Jim K and another GMCer decided to start making them since it is a simple bent up piece of sheet metal (and mounting brackets) and easy to install. I thought it was a good idea to try to keep exhaust pipe heat down and from entering the gasoline in the tanks.

JimK. Still has them and it is an easy improvement. I mention all of this because there are some unknoow number of these shields out there installed by GMCers on non-California sold coaches.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: Second Charcoal Canister Needed? [message #365775 is a reply to message #365771]

Fri, 30 July 2021 10:03

Ken Burton

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I forgot to connect this posting to the original title line. Dual canisters were a California thing too. Based on you finding both of these features on this coach, it probably was first sold, or destined to be sold, in California. Nothing said that a coach built for California could not be sold elsewhere in the US. I see no detriment to keeping both of these options.

Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 23:25

The part is listed in the parts book as California only. Mine rusted the bracket and partially fell off. I rebuuilt it and reinstalled it again. Jim K and another GMCer decided to start making them since it is a simple bent up piece of sheet metal (and mounting brackets) and easy to install. I thought it was a good idea to try to keep exhaust pipe heat down and from entering the gasoline in the tanks.

JimK. Still has them and it is an easy improvement. I mention all of this because there are some unknoow number of these shields out there installed by GMCers on non-California sold coaches.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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