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[GMCnet] stupid generator [message #365535]

Mon, 19 July 2021 14:40

Keith V

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I had it running nice last fall,
Now it's running like an old soviet tractor, lots of smoke and no power.
I've never actually used it for real in 12 years. Just worked on it and tested it.
It's a big ol Onan Emerald, I'd probably gain an MPG by leaving it at home

Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View MN
76 exRoyale
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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365536 is a reply to message #365535]

Mon, 19 July 2021 15:28

Randy Hecht

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Seriously thinking about pulling my Oman 4K and converting to storage as we don’t use it either.

Randy Hecht
Roswell, GA

1974 Canyon Lands GMC Motor-coach

> On Jul 19, 2021, at 15:40, Keith V wrote:
>
> I had it running nice last fall,
> Now it's running like an old soviet tractor, lots of smoke and no power.
> I've never actually used it for real in 12 years. Just worked on it and tested it.
> It's a big ol Onan Emerald, I'd probably gain an MPG by leaving it at home
>
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> Keith Vasilakes
> Mounds View MN
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Re: [GMCnet] stupid generator [message #365537 is a reply to message #365535]

Mon, 19 July 2021 15:50

lqqkatjon

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I would offer
To help. But I have a really bad track record when it comes to keeping generators working.

I can usually get them running, but they will fail you when needed. I am putting the hitch carrier and my backup generator(that has failed me too)
On for this weekend trip.

Can you check the voltage?? Onans like clean voltage to run well. Maybe slip
Rings??

Flight systems has some good troubleshooting.

https://www.flightsystems.com/troubleshooting/

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Re: [GMCnet] stupid generator [message #365539 is a reply to message #365535]

Mon, 19 July 2021 16:21

Jim Miller

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Keith V wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 15:40

I had it running nice last fall, Now it's running like an old soviet tractor, lots of smoke and no power.

I'd be looking into a float problem in the carb. Lots of smoke = running rich.. and if you haven't moved the main jet adjustment then a float/needle not closing correctly is about the only explanation. If I didn't find the problem in the carb then I'd look into ignition (dirty points, fouled plug, etc).

Jim Miller 1977 Eleganza II 1977 Royale Hamilton, OH

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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365542 is a reply to message #365539]

Mon, 19 July 2021 16:23

James Hupy

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Kinda sounds like the choke is not opening after initial startup.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 2:21 PM Jim Miller wrote:

> Keith V wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 15:40
>> I had it running nice last fall, Now it's running like an old soviet
> tractor, lots of smoke and no power.
>
> I'd be looking into a float problem in the carb. Lots of smoke = running
> rich.. and if you haven't moved the main jet adjustment then a float/needle
> not closing correctly is about the only explanation. If I didn't find the
> problem in the carb then I'd look into ignition (dirty points, fouled plug,
> etc).
>
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> 1977 Eleganza II
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365544 is a reply to message #365542]

Mon, 19 July 2021 16:46

Keith V

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Yeah probably carb, maybe choke, I'll check that before I remove it with some C4.
Probably not points since it's an Emerald not a original Onan

I just see all that storage space and weight and wonder why I'm hauling that boat anchor around
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Kinda sounds like the choke is not opening after initial startup.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 2:21 PM Jim Miller wrote:

> Keith V wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 15:40
>> I had it running nice last fall, Now it's running like an old soviet
> tractor, lots of smoke and no power.
>
> I'd be looking into a float problem in the carb. Lots of smoke = running
> rich.. and if you haven't moved the main jet adjustment then a float/needle
> not closing correctly is about the only explanation. If I didn't find the
> problem in the carb then I'd look into ignition (dirty points, fouled plug,
> etc).
>
> --
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> 1977 Eleganza II
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365546 is a reply to message #365544]

Mon, 19 July 2021 16:54

James Hupy

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Probably could remove it, and fill that vacant space with spare parts that
you will never use and might outweigh the Onan.(GRIN)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:46 PM Keith V wrote:

> Yeah probably carb, maybe choke, I'll check that before I remove it with
> some C4.
> Probably not points since it's an Emerald not a original Onan
>
> I just see all that storage space and weight and wonder why I'm hauling
> that boat anchor around
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> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:23 PM
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>
> Kinda sounds like the choke is not opening after initial startup.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 2:21 PM Jim Miller wrote:
>
>> Keith V wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 15:40
>>> I had it running nice last fall, Now it's running like an old soviet
>> tractor, lots of smoke and no power.
>>
>> I'd be looking into a float problem in the carb. Lots of smoke = running
>> rich.. and if you haven't moved the main jet adjustment then a
> float/needle
>> not closing correctly is about the only explanation. If I didn't find the
>> problem in the carb then I'd look into ignition (dirty points, fouled
> plug,
>> etc).
>>
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>> 1977 Eleganza II
>> 1977 Royale
>> Hamilton, OH
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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365549 is a reply to message #365546]

Mon, 19 July 2021 20:11

Keith V

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you know me too well!

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Probably could remove it, and fill that vacant space with spare parts that
you will never use and might outweigh the Onan.(GRIN)

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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365550 is a reply to message #365536]

Mon, 19 July 2021 20:29

sgltrac

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A working generator can really be helpful if

You lose your alternator but want to continue to drive
Your cab ac malfunctions, it’s hot out and you would like to continue to
drive.
Your dc/propane/ac fridge malfunctions and will only work on ac mid trip.

I’m sure there are other compelling reasons.

Sully
Bellevue wa

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 6:11 PM Keith V wrote:

> you know me too well!
>
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> Probably could remove it, and fill that vacant space with spare parts that
> you will never use and might outweigh the Onan.(GRIN)
>
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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365552 is a reply to message #365550]

Mon, 19 July 2021 20:56

James Hupy

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Used mine a lot and for all the reasons you mentioned, plus making
cappuccino when we did not have hook-ups.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 6:29 PM Todd Sullivan wrote:

> A working generator can really be helpful if
>
> You lose your alternator but want to continue to drive
> Your cab ac malfunctions, it’s hot out and you would like to continue to
> drive.
> Your dc/propane/ac fridge malfunctions and will only work on ac mid trip.
>
> I’m sure there are other compelling reasons.
>
> Sully
> Bellevue wa
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 6:11 PM Keith V wrote:
>
>> you know me too well!
>>
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>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:54 PM
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>> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: stupid generator
>>
>> Probably could remove it, and fill that vacant space with spare parts
> that
>> you will never use and might outweigh the Onan.(GRIN)
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] stupid generator [message #365553 is a reply to message #365535]

Mon, 19 July 2021 21:51

lqqkatjon

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Generators are great when they work.

Not so great when they don’t.

Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/

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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365559 is a reply to message #365553]

Mon, 19 July 2021 23:16

jimk

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In my book, a good running gen is like a good spare tire.
Great to fire up the microwave,roof a/c.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:51 PM Jon Roche wrote:

> Generators are great when they work.
>
> Not so great when they don’t.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365565 is a reply to message #365559]

Tue, 20 July 2021 09:21

Matt Colie

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jimk wrote on Tue, 20 July 2021 00:16

In my book, a good running gen is like a good spare tire.
Great to fire up the microwave,roof a/c.
--
Jim Kanomata ASE

Jim,

I hope you don't mind if I borrow that one from time to time.

Matt

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Re: [GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365568 is a reply to message #365565]

Tue, 20 July 2021 10:48

TR 1

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Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 20 July 2021 09:21

jimk wrote on Tue, 20 July 2021 00:16
In my book, a good running gen is like a good spare tire.
Great to fire up the microwave,roof a/c.
--
Jim Kanomata ASE
Jim,

I hope you don't mind if I borrow that one from time to time.

Matt

I've got a "good spare tire" around my waist...

And I'm usually the one that fires up the generator to run the rooftop ac and microwave...

Maybe that's what Jim was talking about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: [GMCnet] stupid generator [message #365570 is a reply to message #365535]

Tue, 20 July 2021 11:48

rgogan

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Besides the multiple problems that I have encountered with my original 6k Onan, the one that resisted rebuilding of the carb, jet adjustment etc. was a terrible hunting rpm problem. Just for the heck of it, I sprayed carb cleaner on the carb while the unit was running and immediately the rpm smoothed out. Found that the axle for the throttle leaves was so loose in the carb body that air was coming in through the gap throwing off the fuel air mixture. Didn't have an immediate way of rebushing this but found a substitute carb on Ebay with almost the same manufactures number, installed it and the Onan runs like new.

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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365571 is a reply to message #365570]

Tue, 20 July 2021 13:31

jimk

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We supply rebuilt Onan carbs, not a one with a new kit only as that does
not address the worn parts.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:48 AM Robert J. Gogan
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> Besides the multiple problems that I have encountered with my original 6k
> Onan, the one that resisted rebuilding of the carb, jet adjustment etc. was
> a terrible hunting rpm problem. Just for the heck of it, I sprayed carb
> cleaner on the carb while the unit was running and immediately the rpm
> smoothed out. Found that the axle for the throttle leaves was so loose in
> the carb body that air was coming in through the gap throwing off the fuel
> air mixture. Didn't have an immediate way of rebushing this but found a
> substitute carb on Ebay with almost the same manufactures number, installed
> it and the Onan runs like new.
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Re: [GMCnet] stupid generator [message #365580 is a reply to message #365535]

Tue, 20 July 2021 22:27

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A motorhome with no generator is a van

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365583 is a reply to message #365580]

Tue, 20 July 2021 23:00

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John,
10-4

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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365600 is a reply to message #365580]

Wed, 21 July 2021 11:07

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Right?? Haha

Sully
Bellevue wa

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[GMCnet] Re: stupid generator [message #365621 is a reply to message #365600]

Thu, 22 July 2021 08:36

Keith V

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Update,
It looks like the float isn't shutting off the fuel so it's overfilling the bowl and running really rich.
If I pull the pump fuse it runs better until it empties the bowl.
Carb rebuild kit on the way.

Maybe I'll keep it 😋
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Right?? Haha

Sully
Bellevue wa

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