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Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365415] Tue, 13 July 2021 20:32 Go to next message
kwharland is currently offline  kwharland   United States
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Soon to be new owner asked if timing set had been changed and if not, was the cam sprocket plastic or not and I could not answer.

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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365416 is a reply to message #365415] Tue, 13 July 2021 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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I believe (well pretty sure) the OEM cam sprocket was nylon. Get a double roller chain and sprocket to replace it.


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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365417 is a reply to message #365415] Tue, 13 July 2021 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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OE was nylon over aluminum cam gear. Heat and combustion by products attack the nylon over time. I’d be surprised to find a working survivor these days but possible.

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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365422 is a reply to message #365416] Wed, 14 July 2021 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RF_Burns wrote on Tue, 13 July 2021 22:19
I believe (well pretty sure) the OEM cam sprocket was nylon. Get a double roller chain and sprocket to replace it.
If he does get the double rolled, have him be sure to check that it is installed on time. The double roller are speed parts and so come with keyways for +&-4°. He needs to know where he wants it to end up.

Matt


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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365426 is a reply to message #365422] Wed, 14 July 2021 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kwharland is currently offline  kwharland   United States
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Thanks all, as I suspected, nylon over aluminum. I'll let him know.


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[GMCnet] Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365428 is a reply to message #365426] Wed, 14 July 2021 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not aluminum, It is steel. See below

Cloyes part no. is 9-3113

Summit part no. is MAH-9-3113
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mah-93113

Jegs part no 220-9-3113
https://www.jegs.com/i/Cloyes/220/9-3113.010/10002/-1

On Ebay

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These are all from various Ebay suppliers

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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365429 is a reply to message #365415] Wed, 14 July 2021 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was referring to GM factory cam gear materials

John Lebetski
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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365435 is a reply to message #365429] Wed, 14 July 2021 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The factory timing set has a nylon tipped steel cam gear. At least mine did.

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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365443 is a reply to message #365415] Thu, 15 July 2021 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I second the mention using the Cloyes 9-3113 set (steel). We had our OEM nylon gear pulled a few years back by our mechanic, 65K miles on it, and the nylon gear was pristine believe it or not. However our worry was like others mentioned, not knowing how much life the nylon gear had left and didn't want to worry about it.

Chris


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Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365478 is a reply to message #365415] Fri, 16 July 2021 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At 67,000 miles, my gear looked good but the chain had stretched to the point that half of the crank gear teeth on the bottom were visible above the chain.

Greg Crawford KM4ZCR Knoxville, TN "Ruby Sue" 1977 Royale Rear Bath 403 Engine American Eagle Wheels Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags
[GMCnet] Re: Cam sprocket - plastic or not? [message #365479 is a reply to message #365478] Fri, 16 July 2021 19:09 Go to previous message
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Stock or plastic makes no difference. It's the combination of wear between
gears, sprockets, and chains that gives you the slack that RETARDS CAM
TIMING, the effect is that the torque curve is moved upwards in RPM'S.
If your 403 won't pull the hat off your head at 2200 rpm, but runs
like a scalded dog at 3600+ RPM'S, you probably have a stretched timing
chain. New double roller chain and sprockets, advanced 4° or so will wake
the lower rpm range up.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

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> At 67,000 miles, my gear looked good but the chain had stretched to the
> point that half of the crank gear teeth on the bottom were visible above the
> chain.
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