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| York 210 Onboard Air [message #361670] |
Mon, 11 January 2021 17:14  |
Tom Katzenberger
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Hello all,
Is there any others using the York 210 AC pump for onboard air? I am using this set up with an electric starter motor as a drive source.
The question I present is as follows: Where are you running the power that feeds the relay?
Believing that it should run of a source that is tied to the ignition system, but not wanting to overload anything, what do you think would be the best way to approach this.
Thanks again to all and especially Ken H. for all the help,
Tom
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: York 210 Onboard Air [message #361671 is a reply to message #361670] |
Mon, 11 January 2021 17:41  |
C Boyd
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Sir, many of us use the yellow ignition fed wire to the low fan motor source on the side of the heater box to activate a 30 or 40 amp relay to operate accessories as an additional vacuum pump for the brakes. It doesn’t take much amps to operate the relays and probably could power 2 or 3 off the one ignition on wire. I run the 30 amp fused power from the battery post on the firewall or directly off the battery. This a
So gives you an off position to use on the heater fan motor instead of running all the time the key is on.
Tom Katzenberger wrote on Mon, 11 January 2021 18:14Hello all,
Is there any others using the York 210 AC pump for onboard air? I am using this set up with an electric starter motor as a drive source.
The question I present is as follows: Where are you running the power that feeds the relay?
Believing that it should run of a source that is tied to the ignition system, but not wanting to overload anything, what do you think would be the best way to approach this.
Thanks again to all and especially Ken H. for all the help,
Tom
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #361683 is a reply to message #361675] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 08:54 |
Keith V
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I would love to know what motor you are using!
I haven't found one that can spin the pump.
I'd run a large relay directly to the battery with a large wire.
I have a york 210 on my streetrod that runs off the engine, I love it. It's quiet and powerful.
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From: Gmclist on behalf of Gerard Hickey via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 9:20 PM
To: tomkatz3--- via Gmclist
Cc: Gerard Hickey
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air
I purchased my coach almost 2 years ago and it had a York compressor
already onboard. In my coach the relay that controls the compressor went
straight to the batteries. The relay was controlled by a switch inside
on the dashboard. This setup has seemed to work well until the
compressor pretty much ran dry of oil. In the past couple of months I
have learned a lot about running the York compressor.
In rebuilding the compressor I have learned that the port between the
oil sump and the head was not plugged. This caused and awful mess in
upper side of the compressor and added to the loss of oil. Not sure what
previous owner did the install, but I would think that plugging the port
would have been one of the first things done. So if you don't know the
history of the York, I would suggest determining if the port has been
plugged or not.
During the rebuild I am adding an oil sight gauge and a hose to allow
oil to be added to the compressor without going through the process of
removing the compressor or finding some crazy way of trying to get to
the fill holes to measure and add oil.
I hope that your York compressor is better off than mine.
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On 1/11/21 3:14 PM, tomkatz3--- via Gmclist wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Is there any others using the York 210 AC pump for onboard air? I am using this set up with an electric starter motor as a drive source.
>
> The question I present is as follows: Where are you running the power that feeds the relay?
>
> Believing that it should run of a source that is tied to the ignition system, but not wanting to overload anything, what do you think would be the
> best way to approach this.
>
> Thanks again to all and especially Ken H. for all the help,
> Tom
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #361686 is a reply to message #361685] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 11:11 |
blur911
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That's interesting, usually starters have a fairly low duty-cycle and would overheat, but the current draw must be low enough in this application that it's ok.
It would be nice to find a DC brushless permanent magnet type that could turn it.
stu@97381.com, Emery wrote on Tue, 12 January 2021 09:03I used a starter from my Onan which had a bad gear on the end. I put a pulley on the end. It works fine. Others have used lawn mower starters.
I have a write up on plugging the oil hole if you need it.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her Roxie
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #361691 is a reply to message #361676] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 13:58 |
Keith V
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J.R. that sure doesn't look like any chevy starter Ive ever seen.
It's missing the whole bendix drive
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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:47 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Cc: John Wright
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air
I had a Darcy Moses Air system in our first coach and I installed it in 1999. I did freshen up the pulleys and new belt before I sold the coach in 2011. All those years I never had an issue. It used a Chevy starter motor. I could run air tool with the compressor.
System I had on our coach: http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3849-darcy-moses-air-system.html
There is a complete book avail with many chapters that has the information that you need to convert a York AC unit.
First Chapter: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-oil-mod/
The Tank: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-tank/
Air and Electrical Fittings: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-fittings-elec/
York Compressor OIL SYSTEM MODS: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-oil-mod/
Shopping List: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-shopping-list/
This system was build for a Jeep, but the same information applies if you want to build a system for you GMC.
If you have questions you can email me and we can talk GMC on the phone. I will post my number privately in return email.
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 29.5’ Stretch
75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Jan 12, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Burl Vibert via Gmclist wrote:
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> That's interesting, usually starters have a fairly low duty-cycle and would overheat, but the current draw must be low enough in this application that
> it's ok.
> It would be nice to find a DC brushless permanent magnet type that could turn it.
>
>
>
> stu@97381.com, Emery wrote on Tue, 12 January 2021 09:03
>> I used a starter from my Onan which had a bad gear on the end. I put a pulley on the end. It works fine. Others have used lawn mower starters.
>>
>> I have a write up on plugging the oil hole if you need it.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
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> --
> Burl Vibert
> Kingston, Ontario
> 1976 GMC, gotta check the VIN Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #361692 is a reply to message #361686] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 13:47 |
powwerjon
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I had a Darcy Moses Air system in our first coach and I installed it in 1999. I did freshen up the pulleys and new belt before I sold the coach in 2011. All those years I never had an issue. It used a Chevy starter motor. I could run air tool with the compressor.
System I had on our coach: http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3849-darcy-moses-air-system.html
There is a complete book avail with many chapters that has the information that you need to convert a York AC unit.
First Chapter: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-oil-mod/
The Tank: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-tank/
Air and Electrical Fittings: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-fittings-elec/
York Compressor OIL SYSTEM MODS: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-oil-mod/
Shopping List: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-shopping-list/
This system was build for a Jeep, but the same information applies if you want to build a system for you GMC.
If you have questions you can email me and we can talk GMC on the phone. I will post my number privately in return email.
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 29.5’ Stretch
75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Jan 12, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Burl Vibert via Gmclist wrote:
>
> That's interesting, usually starters have a fairly low duty-cycle and would overheat, but the current draw must be low enough in this application that
> it's ok.
> It would be nice to find a DC brushless permanent magnet type that could turn it.
>
>
>
> stu@97381.com, Emery wrote on Tue, 12 January 2021 09:03
>> I used a starter from my Onan which had a bad gear on the end. I put a pulley on the end. It works fine. Others have used lawn mower starters.
>>
>> I have a write up on plugging the oil hole if you need it.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>
>
> --
> Burl Vibert
> Kingston, Ontario
> 1976 GMC, gotta check the VIN Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #361703 is a reply to message #361691] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 17:41 |
Bruce Hart
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I use a starter generator for a golf cart
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:59 PM Keith V via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> J.R. that sure doesn't look like any chevy starter Ive ever seen.
> It's missing the whole bendix drive
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> From: Gmclist on behalf of John Wright
> via Gmclist
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:47 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: John Wright
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air
>
> I had a Darcy Moses Air system in our first coach and I installed it in
> 1999. I did freshen up the pulleys and new belt before I sold the coach in
> 2011. All those years I never had an issue. It used a Chevy starter
> motor. I could run air tool with the compressor.
>
> System I had on our coach:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3849-darcy-moses-air-system.html
>
> There is a complete book avail with many chapters that has the information
> that you need to convert a York AC unit.
>
> First Chapter: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-oil-mod/
> The Tank: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-tank/
> Air and Electrical Fittings: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-fittings-elec/
> York Compressor OIL SYSTEM MODS: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-oil-mod/
> Shopping List: https://www.jedi.com/york-air-shopping-list/
>
> This system was build for a Jeep, but the same information applies if you
> want to build a system for you GMC.
>
> If you have questions you can email me and we can talk GMC on the phone.
> I will post my number privately in return email.
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker MHC
> GMCGL Tech Editor
> GMC Eastern States Charter Member
> GMCMI
> 78 GMC Buskirk 29.5’ Stretch
> 75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> Michigan
>
>
>
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Burl Vibert via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting, usually starters have a fairly low duty-cycle and
> would overheat, but the current draw must be low enough in this application
> that
>> it's ok.
>> It would be nice to find a DC brushless permanent magnet type that could
> turn it.
>>
>>
>>
>> stu@97381.com, Emery wrote on Tue, 12 January 2021 09:03
>>> I used a starter from my Onan which had a bad gear on the end. I put a
> pulley on the end. It works fine. Others have used lawn mower starters.
>>>
>>> I have a write up on plugging the oil hole if you need it.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>
>> --
>> Burl Vibert
>> Kingston, Ontario
>> 1976 GMC, gotta check the VIN Oceania had always been at war with
> Eastasia
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| Re: York 210 Onboard Air [message #361735 is a reply to message #361670] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 15:56 |
Tom Katzenberger
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Chuck B. and All,
A starter motor works great, you just need to any Bendix drive or sprocket and install the right size pullies to get your desired RPM.
Chuck B., Great thought on the yellow wire. I did the yellow wire alteration on my old coach, but did not think of using the terminated wire as it relates to the ignition system. Thank you for the mental spark. Great idea!
I just installed a 1.5 Gal spun aluminum tank for inflation air and any air tools and cleaning. The larger tank also reduces duty cycles.
I love my York compressor and plan on building my back up. There are still plenty to be found and now they make a finned head just for this purpose. Even though I never came near or had a problem with over heating.
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #361755 is a reply to message #361735] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 14:30 |
Keith V
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'We' really need to find a good motor for the York. My Viair is starting to sound funny.
I'd love to be able to use one of them on the GMC
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air
Chuck B. and All,
A starter motor works great, you just need to any Bendix drive or sprocket and install the right size pullies to get your desired RPM.
Chuck B., Great thought on the yellow wire. I did the yellow wire alteration on my old coach, but did not think of using the terminated wire as it
relates to the ignition system. Thank you for the mental spark. Great idea!
I just installed a 1.5 Gal spun aluminum tank for inflation air and any air tools and cleaning. The larger tank also reduces duty cycles.
I love my York compressor and plan on building my back up. There are still plenty to be found and now they make a finned head just for this purpose.
Even though I never came near or had a problem with over heating.
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| Re: York 210 Onboard Air [message #361811 is a reply to message #361670] |
Sat, 16 January 2021 16:55 |
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Since the compressor in my GMC never shut off on the way home, about 2 hours, I assume there are some leaks and that the compressor might be pooched.
So, how long is normal for a compressor to run and get up to pressure? Cycle time from 100psi to 120psi cutout?
On these York's with the starter motors, has anyone measured current or otherwise know how much power it takes to turn one?
Here's the annoying thing, I'm pretty sure I sent a York to the metal recycler a year or two ago. Didn't have a use for it and got tired of it kicking around my garage.
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her Roxie
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| Re: York 210 Onboard Air [message #361816 is a reply to message #361811] |
Sun, 17 January 2021 09:31 |
Tom Katzenberger
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Tank size matters as does how air tight your system is. Mine is under the drivers side where the 3rd battery is often mounted on a 1977 23' Birchaven. It never runs more than 15 to 20 seconds when it comes on. I have a 1.5 gal tank. The air bags move up and down with no problem. I made the dip stick to check the oil, because I can't easily see a sight glass. I may buy the sight glass later and use a mirror to inspect.
Engine RPM CFM Seconds to fill a 2 gal tank 0-100 psi
750 3.2 34
1200 4.4 25
2000 7.3 15
3000 9.1 12
I hope this helps.
Take care,
Tom
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: York 210 Onboard Air [message #361983 is a reply to message #361670] |
Tue, 26 January 2021 10:44 |
Tom Katzenberger
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What size fuse from the low speed dash blower yellow wire to the pressure switch for the York DC motor driven Air Cond compressor conversion? I have the Furnas Pressure switch and a belt driven AC using a starter motor.
Thanks in advance gang, take care and stay healthy,
Tom
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: York 210 Onboard Air [message #361994 is a reply to message #361670] |
Tue, 26 January 2021 17:43 |
Tom Katzenberger
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Emery,
I have a relay that actuates a starter solenoid, which actuates the DC motor which has direct power (cable) from the battery. It appears that it operates the same way as a starter. In this set up I don't see any fuses? I guess the 20 amp should be between the relay and the solenoid. I don't know if the relay or DC motor should be protected along the cable?
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: [GMCnet] York 210 Onboard Air [message #362025 is a reply to message #362010] |
Wed, 27 January 2021 20:45 |
Bruce Hart
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With an Amp Probe meter I measured *60amps* on Bill Bramlett's York
compressor that has a starter/generator from a golf cart.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:28 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Unless you are willing to court a disaster, you should look at some
> protection for that heavy lead to the air pump. There are fuses readily
> available
> that are used to power the window cracking sound systems that some
> install. They are also common in many new builds because the manufactures
> could
> not predict the life of the fusible links.
>
> So the first task would be to measure the starting and running current of
> the compressor. Then, you can break that cable near the battery and splice
> in the fuse carrier.
>
> That could be the best money you have put into the coach in a long time.
>
> Matt
>
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