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Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357933] Sat, 22 August 2020 09:14 Go to next message
Al Hamilton   Canada
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I need to replace the power steering pump not because its leaking but the power assist has gradually lowered. There are two part numbers in the GMCMI Parts Exchange for each supplier. It is original has served well for over 40 years. I did a search of Forum and did not find any suggested part number but a suggestion that the motorhome one is not the same as the Torondo. I would like to get a new one rather that take a chance on a rebuild. Our coach is a 1976.

Al Hamilton, 76 Eleganza II, Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357934 is a reply to message #357933] Sat, 22 August 2020 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Al,

It's been quite a while, but I found the Saginaw pump VERY easy to
"rebuild" with an inexpensive kit. You may want to try that -- the R&R are
the worst part of the job! :-)

Ken H.


On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:14 AM Al Hamilton via Gmclist <
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> I need to replace the power steering pump not because its leaking but the
> power assist has gradually lowered. There are two part numbers in the GMCMI
> Parts Exchange for each supplier. It is original has served well for over
> 40 years. I did a search of Forum and did not find any suggested part number
> but a suggestion that the motorhome one is not the same as the Torondo. I
> would like to get a new one rather that take a chance on a rebuild. Our
> coach is a 1976.
> --
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> 76 Eleganza II,
> Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
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Re: Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357937 is a reply to message #357933] Sat, 22 August 2020 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnS is currently offline  JohnS   United States
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If you get a replacement pump, insure it is the same thickness. A slightly thicker one may interfere with an alternator bracket bolt on the head. That may require removal of the new pump, shaving the bolt head, and then re-assembling that puzzle of PS mounting brackets. Also, don't forget the hidden washer, number 10 on the parts breakdown page (16-19 in my parts book). Without it the pulleys will not be straight, and thrown belts may be in your life.

John S.


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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357940 is a reply to message #357933] Sat, 22 August 2020 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Russell Mehlenbacher is currently offline  Russell Mehlenbacher   United States
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Also make sure your problem isn't a clogging filter. (If you haven't
already.)

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 10:14 AM Al Hamilton via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I need to replace the power steering pump not because its leaking but the
> power assist has gradually lowered. There are two part numbers in the GMCMI
> Parts Exchange for each supplier. It is original has served well for over
> 40 years. I did a search of Forum and did not find any suggested part number
> but a suggestion that the motorhome one is not the same as the Torondo. I
> would like to get a new one rather that take a chance on a rebuild. Our
> coach is a 1976.
> --
> Al Hamilton,
> 76 Eleganza II,
> Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357945 is a reply to message #357940] Sat, 22 August 2020 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Al was a very early installer of my electric wiper kit, so he doesn't have
the OEM filter tube (I guess he might have installed an inline filter
though).

Ken H.


On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 11:54 AM Russell Mehlenbacher via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Also make sure your problem isn't a clogging filter. (If you haven't
> already.)
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 10:14 AM Al Hamilton via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I need to replace the power steering pump not because its leaking but
> the
>> power assist has gradually lowered. There are two part numbers in the
> GMCMI
>> Parts Exchange for each supplier. It is original has served well for over
>> 40 years. I did a search of Forum and did not find any suggested part
> number
>> but a suggestion that the motorhome one is not the same as the Torondo. I
>> would like to get a new one rather that take a chance on a rebuild. Our
>> coach is a 1976.
>> --
>> Al Hamilton,
>> 76 Eleganza II,
>> Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357948 is a reply to message #357945] Sat, 22 August 2020 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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Need to address the shaft as it is either a Keyed or press on.
To get the correct one, you can contact us or gamble on getting the correct.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 9:58 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Al was a very early installer of my electric wiper kit, so he doesn't have
> the OEM filter tube (I guess he might have installed an inline filter
> though).
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 11:54 AM Russell Mehlenbacher via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Also make sure your problem isn't a clogging filter. (If you haven't
>> already.)
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 10:14 AM Al Hamilton via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to replace the power steering pump not because its leaking but
>> the
>>> power assist has gradually lowered. There are two part numbers in the
>> GMCMI
>>> Parts Exchange for each supplier. It is original has served well for
> over
>>> 40 years. I did a search of Forum and did not find any suggested part
>> number
>>> but a suggestion that the motorhome one is not the same as the
> Torondo. I
>>> would like to get a new one rather that take a chance on a rebuild. Our
>>> coach is a 1976.
>>> --
>>> Al Hamilton,
>>> 76 Eleganza II,
>>> Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
>>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357950 is a reply to message #357945] Sat, 22 August 2020 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Al Hamilton   Canada
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There has been an in line filter on almost as long as the electric wiper system that is still working very well. The oil looks good and of course full. It couldn't be anything as obvious as a clogged filter !! I couldn't be that lucky. I'll check it and replace it anyway. The oil has been changed three or four times including when a Dave Lenzi steering box went on about six years ago.

Thanks for the replies.


Al Hamilton, 76 Eleganza II, Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357953 is a reply to message #357950] Sat, 22 August 2020 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Melbo is currently offline  Melbo   United States
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Also be sure that the one you get has the reservoir properly clocked. I had to return one to Rock Auto and you get to pay the shipping. I did not pay attention to the picture when I ordered. They had the right one and the wrong one. I just replaced all that when I did the timing chain.

HTH

Melbo


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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357954 is a reply to message #357953] Sat, 22 August 2020 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When we ship a wrong one we pay the freight both ways.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 2:26 PM melmull--- via Gmclist <
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> Also be sure that the one you get has the reservoir properly clocked. I
> had to return one to Rock Auto and you get to pay the shipping. I did not
> pay attention to the picture when I ordered. They had the right one and
> the wrong one. I just replaced all that when I did the timing chain.
>
> HTH
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357961 is a reply to message #357954] Sat, 22 August 2020 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Melbo is currently offline  Melbo   United States
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Yes Jim I should have ordered it from you. Everything I have ordered from you has been exactly what it is supposed to be and worked as designed.

Thanks

Melbo


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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357962 is a reply to message #357961] Sat, 22 August 2020 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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we do not expect anyone to order all, Call me as I will give you part #
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On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:05 PM melmull--- via Gmclist <
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> Yes Jim I should have ordered it from you. Everything I have ordered from
> you has been exactly what it is supposed to be and worked and designed.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #357967 is a reply to message #357953] Sun, 23 August 2020 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Al Hamilton   Canada
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In my research/reading this morning I discovered there is an internal filter as well. I suspect that my also be part or all of the problem.

Al Hamilton, 76 Eleganza II, Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #358622 is a reply to message #357967] Mon, 14 September 2020 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Al Hamilton   Canada
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I'll just finish this off by saying the power steering pump and tank were replaced this morning. It took a lot of research to get the right parts mainly because some NAPA numbers are different between the US and Canada. The correct pump was found by cross referencing with the original GM part number. Had to order the tank from Summit Racing. The pump was NAPA (Cdn ??) 732015 and the tank was Summit Racing 19-7074B5B. Another delay was getting an appointment during the pandemic when some businesses are having trouble finding enough employees.

In the end it is now done.


Al Hamilton, 76 Eleganza II, Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
Re: [GMCnet] Correct Power Steering Pump [message #358623 is a reply to message #358622] Mon, 14 September 2020 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thank you. That is great information!

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Re: Correct Power Steering Pump [message #358654 is a reply to message #357933] Mon, 14 September 2020 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Couldn’t you use an updated version with a remote reservoir, would give you the option for more volume and maybe in inline cooler? Just curious
Re: Correct Power Steering Pump [message #358660 is a reply to message #357933] Tue, 15 September 2020 08:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You could use a remote version if you could find one that fits and figure where to locate the reservoir. For a couple of pieces of hose you could install a cooler as well.

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Re: Correct Power Steering Pump [message #360731 is a reply to message #357937] Sat, 12 December 2020 00:04 Go to previous message
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Hi all,

My power steering pump pulley is out-of-line with the other pulleys. There is lots of belt noise. The pulley looks to be around 1/16" to 1/8" forward of where it should be.

Could that be because of the missing 'hidden washer'?

Does anyone know the dimensions of the washer so I can replace it if needed?

thanks in advance
Gerry

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