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| ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360643] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 11:58  |
bdub
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I just heard a horror story and saw the photographic proof about a recent, 3 months, one ton front end installation in California. The cotter pins were purposely left out of the tie rod ends. The installer reported that he'd used Locktite on the slotted nuts instead. As you might imagine, the slotted nut came off and the tie rod slipped out of the right, passenger side, steering knuckle.
Luckily, it was at low speed at an intersection with plenty of room to pull over, so no harm or death occurred.
I suggest that everyone with this modification immediately take a look at this connection to be sure that the cotter pins are present.
It is beyond me why anyone would leave out such an important, simple, possibly life saving little device.
bdub
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| Re: [GMCnet] ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360648 is a reply to message #360643] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 12:26  |
Ken Henderson
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WOW! Dumb! I don't even want to know who it was. :-)
Ken H.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:59 PM Billy Massey via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I just heard a horror story and saw the photographic proof about a recent,
> 3 months, one ton front end installation in California. The cotter pins
> were purposely left out of the tie rod ends. The installer reported that
> he'd used Locktite on the slotted nuts instead. As you might imagine, the
> slotted nut came off and the tie rod slipped out of the right, passenger
> side, steering knuckle.
> Luckily, it was at low speed at an intersection with plenty of room to
> pull over, so no harm or death occurred.
>
> I suggest that everyone with this modification immediately take a look at
> this connection to be sure that the cotter pins are present.
>
> It is beyond me why anyone would leave out such an important, simple,
> possibly life saving little device.
> --
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach/Central Texas
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| Re: ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360650 is a reply to message #360643] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 12:57 |
TR 1
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I once was looking over a new, used car a friend of mine bought that had a loose wheel bearing. He had just driven it from Arkansas (where he bought it) to Maryland....
As I pulled the dust cover off the hub, there was something inserted into the spindle holding the nut on, but it was not a cotter pin....
As I was trying wipe the grease off to figure out what it was, my friend, who was looking over my shoulder blurts out in anger, "yep, it's a twist tie..."
He had just driven over a thousand miles on a loose wheel bearing held on only by a wonder bread twist tie... The nut was barely even finger tight, too, so it really was just the twist tie keeping things together...
It's crazy what some people will attempt when working on a vehicle....
Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
Manny 1 Ton Front End,
Howell Injection,
Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
Fort Worth, TX
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| Re: [GMCnet] ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360652 is a reply to message #360648] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 13:10 |
jimk
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The reason why they left the pin out is as the mis match of the taper that
prevented the hole not to reach far enough.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:06 AM Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:58 AM Mark Sawyer via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I once was looking over a new, used car a friend of mine bought that had
>> a loose wheel bearing. He had just driven it from Arkansas (where he bought
>> it) to Maryland....
>>
>> As I pulled the dust cover off the hub, there was something inserted into
>> the spindle holding the nut on, but it was not a cotter pin....
>>
>> As I was trying wipe the grease off to figure out what it was, my friend,
>> who was looking over my shoulder blurts out in anger, "yep, it's a twist
>> tie..."
>>
>> He had just driven over a thousand miles on a loose wheel bearing held on
>> only by a wonder bread twist tie... The nut was barely even finger tight,
>> too, so it really was just the twist tie keeping things together...
>>
>> It's crazy what some people will attempt when working on a vehicle....
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
>> Manny 1 Ton Front End,
>> Howell Injection,
>> Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
>> Fort Worth, TX
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> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360653 is a reply to message #360650] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 13:06 |
jimk
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:58 AM Mark Sawyer via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I once was looking over a new, used car a friend of mine bought that had a
> loose wheel bearing. He had just driven it from Arkansas (where he bought
> it) to Maryland....
>
> As I pulled the dust cover off the hub, there was something inserted into
> the spindle holding the nut on, but it was not a cotter pin....
>
> As I was trying wipe the grease off to figure out what it was, my friend,
> who was looking over my shoulder blurts out in anger, "yep, it's a twist
> tie..."
>
> He had just driven over a thousand miles on a loose wheel bearing held on
> only by a wonder bread twist tie... The nut was barely even finger tight,
> too, so it really was just the twist tie keeping things together...
>
> It's crazy what some people will attempt when working on a vehicle....
>
>
> --
> Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
> Manny 1 Ton Front End,
> Howell Injection,
> Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
> Fort Worth, TX
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360655 is a reply to message #360648] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 14:08 |
James Hupy
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Every darn time we think we have "idiot proofed" something, along comes a
new group of idiots. Do not ever, ever fail to install cotter keys. Lives
depend upon you doing your due diligence.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 10:28 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> WOW! Dumb! I don't even want to know who it was. :-)
>
> Ken H.
>
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> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:59 PM Billy Massey via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I just heard a horror story and saw the photographic proof about a
> recent,
>> 3 months, one ton front end installation in California. The cotter pins
>> were purposely left out of the tie rod ends. The installer reported that
>> he'd used Locktite on the slotted nuts instead. As you might imagine,
> the
>> slotted nut came off and the tie rod slipped out of the right, passenger
>> side, steering knuckle.
>> Luckily, it was at low speed at an intersection with plenty of room to
>> pull over, so no harm or death occurred.
>>
>> I suggest that everyone with this modification immediately take a look at
>> this connection to be sure that the cotter pins are present.
>>
>> It is beyond me why anyone would leave out such an important, simple,
>> possibly life saving little device.
>> --
>> bdub
>> '76 Palm Beach/Central Texas
>> www.bdub.net
>> www.gmcmhphotos.com
>> www.gmcmotorhomemarketplace.com
>> www.gmcmhregistry.com
>> facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes
>> facebook.com/groups/gmcmm
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360680 is a reply to message #360674] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 09:21 |
James Hupy
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Problem comes from a mis-matching of pieces. The outer part of the
passenger side tie rod must be inverted to match up with the 1 ton tie rod
arm, which tapers from the top, and the stock gmc tapers from the bottom.
The 1 ton arm is thicker than the stock one sometimes. So when the tie rod
end seats in the 1 ton arm, the threaded end does not extend the correct
distance for the cotter key to be inserted. Some need a bit of "custom
fitting" before all matches up correctly. Never, never leave those cotter
pins out. And do not use thread locker in their place, either.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 11:23 PM Bill Wevers via Gmclist <
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> This helps illustrate the problem.
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> 1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
> 455 F Block, G heads
> San Jose
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| Re: ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360774 is a reply to message #360643] |
Sun, 13 December 2020 10:53 |
jhbridges
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Even simpler/safer buy the parts (in kit form) from one of the GMC suppliers. This person wasn't aware of the environment that part lives in, nor what was/is important in keeping it there. Blind lucky nobody busted their ass.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] ATTENTION !! All One Ton Front End Owners [message #360779 is a reply to message #360774] |
Sun, 13 December 2020 11:19 |
James Hupy
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Those of us who have lots of experience with "re-purposed" parts, know most
of those pitfalls like mis matched tapers, and torsion bar sockets that are
worn, and upper control arms that need reinforced, and lower shock mount
studs on the lower control arms, and, and, and so on. That is kinda part of
what you are paying for when you buy a kit. EVEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, stuff
still happens. I had a reinforced lower control arm torsion bar socket
split recently on a 1 ton kit. The torsion bar unwound, and that side took
a sudden drop. Again, thanks to the slow speeds involved, not much harmed
except my pride.
But if "bad stuff" can happen, it will. And at the most inopportune
time imaginable, too. Best to dot your "I's" and cross your "T's" every
time out.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 8:54 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
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> Even simpler/safer buy the parts (in kit form) from one of the GMC
> suppliers. This person wasn't aware of the environment that part lives in,
> nor
> what was/is important in keeping it there. Blind lucky nobody busted
> their ass.
>
> --johnny
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> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
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