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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360257 is a reply to message #360254] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 13:48   |
jimk
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I do not understand.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
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> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
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> It’s $150 per sensor.
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> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
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> Dolph
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360258 is a reply to message #360257] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 14:05 |
Dolph Santorine
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Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
The math isn’t complicated.
Dolph Santorine
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist wrote:
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> I do not understand.
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>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>
>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>
>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>
>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>
>>
>> Dolph
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>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>
>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>> "--OO--[]---O-"
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360259 is a reply to message #360258] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 15:09 |
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And then the weight reported could be correlated to the needed psi to level the ride. Interesting.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
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From: Gmclist On Behalf Of Adolph Santorine via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:06 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Cc: Adolph Santorine
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
The math isn’t complicated.
Dolph Santorine
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist wrote:
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> I do not understand.
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <
>> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>
>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>
>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>
>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>
>>
>> Dolph
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>
>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>> "--OO--[]---O-"
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360261 is a reply to message #360258] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 16:04 |
Ken Henderson
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Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
suspension force is concentrated???
Ken H.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>
> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>
> The math isn’t complicated.
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
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>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I do not understand.
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>>
>>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>>
>>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>>
>>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dolph
>>>
>>> DE AD0LF
>>>
>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>
>>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>>
>>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>>
>>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>>
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>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360262 is a reply to message #360261] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 16:49 |
Keith V
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hooking up a pressure sensor is easy,
The hard part is calibration.
Hard as in measuring air pressure and weight at multiple suspension heights and weights.
I doubt you could get by just measuring pressure at ride height and a range of weights, but maybe.
maybe even just measure three weights and fit a curve to it.
Oh you'd also need to do it for each bag type
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From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Henderson via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:04 PM
To: GMC Mail List
Cc: Ken Henderson
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
suspension force is concentrated???
Ken H.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>
> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>
> The math isn’t complicated.
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
>
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I do not understand.
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>>
>>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>>
>>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>>
>>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dolph
>>>
>>> DE AD0LF
>>>
>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>
>>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>>
>>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>>
>>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>> --
>> Jim Kanomata
>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360263 is a reply to message #360262] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 17:19 |
Dolph Santorine
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I wonder how the https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php do it.
I picked his brain about calibration, and it was basically a set point at empty and full.
They are looking at weight, not ride height.
My interest was weight.
Keith, I can’t even begin to tell you how pleased I am with the Microlevel system. The campsite leveling feature is amazing.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Keith V via Gmclist wrote:
>
> hooking up a pressure sensor is easy,
> The hard part is calibration.
> Hard as in measuring air pressure and weight at multiple suspension heights and weights.
>
> I doubt you could get by just measuring pressure at ride height and a range of weights, but maybe.
> maybe even just measure three weights and fit a curve to it.
>
> Oh you'd also need to do it for each bag type
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Henderson via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Cc: Ken Henderson
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
>
> Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
> EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
> value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
> suspension force is concentrated???
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>>
>> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>>
>> The math isn’t complicated.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
>> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist >>> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>>>
>>>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dolph
>>>>
>>>> DE AD0LF
>>>>
>>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>>
>>>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>>>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>>>
>>>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>>>
>>>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>>>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Kanomata
>>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
>>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>>> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360269 is a reply to message #360263] |
Tue, 24 November 2020 10:43 |
Keith V
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Thanks Dolph, good to have feedback 🙂
The problem is with the GMC we can vary ride height, a semi trailer is always at ride height. This means the air pressure can be the same value for different weights. I suppose if you have ride height controlled, read AND front, that would work
As far as needing their fancy system, all you need is a pressure gauge and a table. It could be completely manual.
The hard part is making the table
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From: Gmclist on behalf of Dolph Santorine via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 5:19 PM
To: GMC List
Cc: Dolph Santorine
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
I wonder how the https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php do it.
I picked his brain about calibration, and it was basically a set point at empty and full.
They are looking at weight, not ride height.
My interest was weight.
Keith, I can’t even begin to tell you how pleased I am with the Microlevel system. The campsite leveling feature is amazing.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Keith V via Gmclist wrote:
>
> hooking up a pressure sensor is easy,
> The hard part is calibration.
> Hard as in measuring air pressure and weight at multiple suspension heights and weights.
>
> I doubt you could get by just measuring pressure at ride height and a range of weights, but maybe.
> maybe even just measure three weights and fit a curve to it.
>
> Oh you'd also need to do it for each bag type
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Henderson via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Cc: Ken Henderson
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
>
> Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
> EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
> value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
> suspension force is concentrated???
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>>
>> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>>
>> The math isn’t complicated.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
>> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist >>> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>>>
>>>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dolph
>>>>
>>>> DE AD0LF
>>>>
>>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>>
>>>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>>>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>>>
>>>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>>>
>>>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>>>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Kanomata
>>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
>>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>>> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360273 is a reply to message #360254] |
Tue, 24 November 2020 15:19 |
jhbridges
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In that all I'm interested in id ride height, I don't concern myself with pressure or weight.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags) [message #360329 is a reply to message #360328] |
Sat, 28 November 2020 07:36 |
Dolph Santorine
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I pull into a spot for the night, push a button, and I’m perfectly level.
Much better.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"
> On Nov 28, 2020, at 8:25 AM, 6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
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> Mecanical leveling valve...same thing and much simpler.
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
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