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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359157 is a reply to message #359155] |
Sat, 03 October 2020 09:30   |
James Hupy
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Years (decades) ago, when I was in the Oregon National Guard, our unit was
traveling to Albany Oregon to participate in a Veterans Day parade, and the
route taken had a railroad underpass in Albany that was just tall enough to
skinny through with our surveillance radar equipment. Or, so we thought.
The city road crews paved the street under the overpass and it reduced the
vertical space just enough to interfere with the array on top of the radar
van. When the driver attempted to roar through the gap, it promptly set
that multi million dollar radar box right into the middle of the street.
So, we promptly used our 10 ton wrecker to pluck it out of the street.
Crap hit the fan over that trick. Things ain't always like they used to be.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 7:13 AM patrick--- via Gmclist
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> There's a series of low concrete underpasses along US29 south of Atlanta
> - the little towns of Palmetto, Fairburn and Union City. Each is right
> around 10' and they are constantly catching box trucks. They're all
> close to 100 years old and built when labor and concrete were cheap.
> They bear lots of "battle scars", but they always win.
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359166 is a reply to message #359164] |
Sat, 03 October 2020 22:13   |
Rick Staples
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JD,
I believe our coaches are 9' 2" to the top of the original air conditioners. Another possible benefit of a low-profile A/C. I once eased my GMC under 9' 6" railroad bridge in Amherst, MA. We went VERY slowly while the antennas played a tune on the girders, but she fit!
Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359228 is a reply to message #359163] |
Tue, 06 October 2020 15:05   |
TR 1
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Richard RV wrote on Sat, 03 October 2020 17:23
That railroad trestle isn't going anywhere and there are pipes of some sort running under the pavement that can't be moved, so 11' 8" now and always shall be. I did notice that Enterprise's rental trucks suffered less damage than Ryder trucks... must be a few inches shorter.
Richard
Actually they did raise the "Can Opener"... It's now 12'4".... You can read about it on this website dedicated to the bridge: http://11foot8.com/
It says though the bridge is now higher, it still "nibbles" at the top of some box trucks...
The website also contains links to literally years of videos of the top being ripped off a variety of vehicles.... Not sure what this says about me, but I find the vids strangely entertaining....
Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
Manny 1 Ton Front End,
Howell Injection,
Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
Fort Worth, TX
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359230 is a reply to message #359213] |
Tue, 06 October 2020 23:17   |
rjw
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nchapekis wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 14:45There's a 10-0 underpass in Charlottesville near the UVA campus that I contemplated trying. But in addition to my AC, I have a storage pod. I probably could have made it, but I decided it wasn't worth the risk.
Also, in my hometown, there is a 10-6 railroad bridge that's always getting hit. Some photos here: https://10foot6.in/
My GMC's new home has a door that is 10' high and I have no problems getting the coach in and out. I also have a pod. It clears by at least 6". The antennas on the roof did initially hit the door. I cut one of them down and now there is no problem.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359626 is a reply to message #359313] |
Mon, 19 October 2020 23:34   |
Richard Denney
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Personally, I find that low overpasses like these are an affront to
taxpayers and are professionally offensive. I don't care what "pipes" are
under that pavement, they spent however much money and raised the bridge
from 11'-8" to 12'-4"?
I have spent my professional career opposed to tort liability, but there
are times when I think the ambulance chasers have it right. These agencies
have active, not merely constructive notice of a fault that can indeed be
repaired if they want to repair it.
They claim warning systems that advise overheight trucks to turn off before
the overpass. Really? All I saw was a static warning sign with flashing
beacons, immediately downstream from a traffic signal where it won't get
seen or notice until after the driver has dealt with the signal. Traffic
engineering principles that were known in the 30's. Where are the height
detectors, sirens, far more aggressively flashing lights, breakaway
overheight sign panels that make a racket but not such wanton destruction,
and effective alternate routes?
At some point, after a dozen or so of the hundreds of truck crashes they
reported, the burden of guilt falls on the agency that won't find a way to
do something about it.
Rick "who has designed overheight warning systems with all of the above
features--40 years ago--at locations that have since been reconstructed to
provide acceptable height" Denney
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:44 AM Les Burt via Gmclist
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> Heres an interesting twist on low overpasses.
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> https://youtu.be/pcqfa_uj2hA
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> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26’
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359635 is a reply to message #359626] |
Tue, 20 October 2020 09:12   |
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Richard RV
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Seems like the bridge pushed your button, Rick,
https://vimeo.com/271945574
Watch from about the midpoint. They've put in all of the stuff you mentioned. Trucks keep getting scalped.
I'm not a fan of, ahem, lowering the bar, and paying for it, to cater to the densest drivers.
On the bright side, it's a mistake they'll only make once.
Richard
Richard Denney wrote on Mon, 19 October 2020 21:34Personally, I find that low overpasses like these are an affront to
taxpayers and are professionally offensive. I don't care what "pipes" are
under that pavement, they spent however much money and raised the bridge
from 11'-8" to 12'-4"?
I have spent my professional career opposed to tort liability, but there
are times when I think the ambulance chasers have it right. These agencies
have active, not merely constructive notice of a fault that can indeed be
repaired if they want to repair it.
They claim warning systems that advise overheight trucks to turn off before
the overpass. Really? All I saw was a static warning sign with flashing
beacons, immediately downstream from a traffic signal where it won't get
seen or notice until after the driver has dealt with the signal. Traffic
engineering principles that were known in the 30's. Where are the height
detectors, sirens, far more aggressively flashing lights, breakaway
overheight sign panels that make a racket but not such wanton destruction,
and effective alternate routes?
At some point, after a dozen or so of the hundreds of truck crashes they
reported, the burden of guilt falls on the agency that won't find a way to
do something about it.
Rick "who has designed overheight warning systems with all of the above
features--40 years ago--at locations that have since been reconstructed to
provide acceptable height" Denney
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359659 is a reply to message #359626] |
Tue, 20 October 2020 22:30   |
Rick Staples
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I'm with the other Rick! At some point the state or city should be held responsible, especially if it's on a numbered route. (I'm recalling the railroad bridge on Mass. Rt 9 in Northampton.) I also seem to recall a (good) law someplace which gave the city 24 hrs to repair a reported pothole, after which they were responsible for the damages it caused. Seems only fair.
Rick Staples
Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359780 is a reply to message #359659] |
Mon, 26 October 2020 10:36   |
NextGenGMC
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Strongly disagree with previous post. The city has technically done their job when they had a passive sign posted, warning drivers of a low clearance. According to the rules of the road, that is the PURPOSE of that sign and really that is all that is required to avoid an accident. With too many drivers having wind blowing between their ears, that was deemed not enough, so they added active over-height warning, traffic light, etc. If driver is still not paying attention to all of that, that means they are not paying attention to the road. At that point it is 100% on them. The same driver that is not paying attention to the height warnings today, is the one that will be complaining that he is stuck in a dead end street that is too narrow and demand that city make them wider and pass through. At some point we have to call those drivers out for what it is - personal irresponsibility.
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359784 is a reply to message #359780] |
Mon, 26 October 2020 11:05   |
Dolph Santorine
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So the singular city is right, but all those drivers were wrong?
Disregard half of them as stupid, and the number of accidents prove beyond a reasonable doubt that government is STILL wrong.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
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> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist wrote:
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> Strongly disagree with previous post. The city has technically done their job when they had a passive sign posted, warning drivers of a low clearance.
> According to the rules of the road, that is the PURPOSE of that sign and really that is all that is required to avoid an accident. With too many
> drivers having wind blowing between their ears, that was deemed not enough, so they added active over-height warning, traffic light, etc. If driver
> is still not paying attention to all of that, that means they are not paying attention to the road. At that point it is 100% on them. The same
> driver that is not paying attention to the height warnings today, is the one that will be complaining that he is stuck in a dead end street that is
> too narrow and demand that city make them wider and pass through. At some point we have to call those drivers out for what it is - personal
> irresponsibility.
> --
> Vadim Jitkov
> '76 Glenbrook 26'
> Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359785 is a reply to message #359153] |
Mon, 26 October 2020 11:25   |
James Hupy
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We are dependent upon our infrastructure for transportation, municipal
water and sewer, and a lot of places, electricity.
Ponder me this, if you will. Bridges over rivers owned by companies
that are without government oversight for items like safety, etc. You want
to pay for them, every time you use them? Toll bridges, freeways, tunnels,
etc?
Myself, I think that is the governments role in our lives. Police,
firefighters, schools, border protection, armed forces, etc. But, where to
draw the line between private sector and government? There's the rub.
Cradle to the grave coddling? Or, just leave my ass alone! Age old
questions. Without any reasonable answers. Better minds than mine have
pondered them since society began. No answers yet appear. Think I'll just
have another beer and ponder this for a bit longer.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 9:07 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> So the singular city is right, but all those drivers were wrong?
>
> Disregard half of them as stupid, and the number of accidents prove beyond
> a reasonable doubt that government is STILL wrong.
>
>
> Dolph
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> DE AD0LF
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> Wheeling, West Virginia
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> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
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> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
> "--OO--[]---O-"
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>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Strongly disagree with previous post. The city has technically done
> their job when they had a passive sign posted, warning drivers of a low
> clearance.
>> According to the rules of the road, that is the PURPOSE of that sign and
> really that is all that is required to avoid an accident. With too many
>> drivers having wind blowing between their ears, that was deemed not
> enough, so they added active over-height warning, traffic light, etc. If
> driver
>> is still not paying attention to all of that, that means they are not
> paying attention to the road. At that point it is 100% on them. The same
>> driver that is not paying attention to the height warnings today, is the
> one that will be complaining that he is stuck in a dead end street that is
>> too narrow and demand that city make them wider and pass through. At
> some point we have to call those drivers out for what it is - personal
>> irresponsibility.
>> --
>> Vadim Jitkov
>> '76 Glenbrook 26'
>> Pullman, WA
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass [message #359786 is a reply to message #359785] |
Mon, 26 October 2020 11:37   |
k2gkk
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A ham radio friend, now deceased stated the role of government
should be limited to: "Protect our shores, deliver my mail, but
otherwise leave my ass alone." Not too terribly different from my
ideas. However, as Jim stated, the question is "where to draw the
line." Those unfortunates who are FORCED to live in crowded big
cities have much greater needs or desires from government than
those who can be much more reliant upon their own talents and
circumstances.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
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From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 11:25
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Low Underpass
We are dependent upon our infrastructure for transportation, municipal
water and sewer, and a lot of places, electricity.
Ponder me this, if you will. Bridges over rivers owned by companies
that are without government oversight for items like safety, etc. You want
to pay for them, every time you use them? Toll bridges, freeways, tunnels,
etc?
Myself, I think that is the governments role in our lives. Police,
firefighters, schools, border protection, armed forces, etc. But, where to
draw the line between private sector and government? There's the rub.
Cradle to the grave coddling? Or, just leave my ass alone! Age old
questions. Without any reasonable answers. Better minds than mine have
pondered them since society began. No answers yet appear. Think I'll just
have another beer and ponder this for a bit longer.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 9:07 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> So the singular city is right, but all those drivers were wrong?
>
> Disregard half of them as stupid, and the number of accidents prove beyond
> a reasonable doubt that government is STILL wrong.
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>
> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
> "--OO--[]---O-"
>
>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Strongly disagree with previous post. The city has technically done
> their job when they had a passive sign posted, warning drivers of a low
> clearance.
>> According to the rules of the road, that is the PURPOSE of that sign and
> really that is all that is required to avoid an accident. With too many
>> drivers having wind blowing between their ears, that was deemed not
> enough, so they added active over-height warning, traffic light, etc. If
> driver
>> is still not paying attention to all of that, that means they are not
> paying attention to the road. At that point it is 100% on them. The same
>> driver that is not paying attention to the height warnings today, is the
> one that will be complaining that he is stuck in a dead end street that is
>> too narrow and demand that city make them wider and pass through. At
> some point we have to call those drivers out for what it is - personal
>> irresponsibility.
>> --
>> Vadim Jitkov
>> '76 Glenbrook 26'
>> Pullman, WA
>>
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