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Re: [GMCnet] Air ride compressors [message #357359] Fri, 31 July 2020 09:21 Go to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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I believe that he has an EL II system. That one has 2 smaller compressors
that as far as I know, there is not a rebuild kit available. These
compressors slooowww dowwwnnn after time because their permanent alnico
magnets lose their field strength. There may be a fix for those motors, but
I personally don't know of one. Because those compressor heads also contain
some of the solenoids that the EL II system uses, simple replacement of
them with VIAIR or similar compressors won't work. There are some junkyard
replacements that will work, but they are scarce. So, that leaves few
options. Check with Jim K and other vendors. They may have a fix that will
work.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM Bob Dunahugh via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I hear of the original compressors being replaced due to lack of volume.
> Most of the time. It just requires a new cogged timing drive belt. That Jim
> K at Applied has for $8. On most coaches. That cogged belt can be retimed
> in place. The original compressor is very simple to rebuild. Jim K also has
> that kit. If you know what a screw driver is. You can do it. There was an
> air filter in the original unit. That it's remains needs to be cleaned out.
> ( That could be your compressor issue.)Then you can install a simple
> external air filter. Seems to me. That it's simpler/cheaper to simply
> service what you have. Then to find a way to mount a replacement compressor.
> Bob Dunahugh
> 78 Royale since 2003
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Re: [GMCnet] Air ride compressors [message #357360 is a reply to message #357359] Fri, 31 July 2020 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C Boyd is currently offline  C Boyd   United States
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Sir, according to the picture he showed me of the leveling valve it is a Electro level 1.




James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:21
I believe that he has an EL II system. That one has 2 smaller compressors
that as far as I know, there is not a rebuild kit available. These
compressors slooowww dowwwnnn after time because their permanent alnico
magnets lose their field strength. There may be a fix for those motors, but
I personally don't know of one. Because those compressor heads also contain
some of the solenoids that the EL II system uses, simple replacement of
them with VIAIR or similar compressors won't work. There are some junkyard
replacements that will work, but they are scarce. So, that leaves few
options. Check with Jim K and other vendors. They may have a fix that will
work.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM Bob Dunahugh via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I hear of the original compressors being replaced due to lack of volume.
> Most of the time. It just requires a new cogged timing drive belt. That Jim
> K at Applied has for $8. On most coaches. That cogged belt can be retimed
> in place. The original compressor is very simple to rebuild. Jim K also has
> that kit. If you know what a screw driver is. You can do it. There was an
> air filter in the original unit. That it's remains needs to be cleaned out.
> ( That could be your compressor issue.)Then you can install a simple
> external air filter. Seems to me. That it's simpler/cheaper to simply
> service what you have. Then to find a way to mount a replacement compressor.
> Bob Dunahugh
> 78 Royale since 2003
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Re: [GMCnet] Air ride compressors [message #357361 is a reply to message #357360] Fri, 31 July 2020 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C Boyd is currently offline  C Boyd   United States
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http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/7314/medium/Leaking_valve.jpg




C Boyd wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:40
Sir, according to the picture he showed me of the leveling valve it is a Electro level 1.




James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:21
I believe that he has an EL II system. That one has 2 smaller compressors
that as far as I know, there is not a rebuild kit available. These
compressors slooowww dowwwnnn after time because their permanent alnico
magnets lose their field strength. There may be a fix for those motors, but
I personally don't know of one. Because those compressor heads also contain
some of the solenoids that the EL II system uses, simple replacement of
them with VIAIR or similar compressors won't work. There are some junkyard
replacements that will work, but they are scarce. So, that leaves few
options. Check with Jim K and other vendors. They may have a fix that will
work.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM Bob Dunahugh via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I hear of the original compressors being replaced due to lack of volume.
> Most of the time. It just requires a new cogged timing drive belt. That Jim
> K at Applied has for $8. On most coaches. That cogged belt can be retimed
> in place. The original compressor is very simple to rebuild. Jim K also has
> that kit. If you know what a screw driver is. You can do it. There was an
> air filter in the original unit. That it's remains needs to be cleaned out.
> ( That could be your compressor issue.)Then you can install a simple
> external air filter. Seems to me. That it's simpler/cheaper to simply
> service what you have. Then to find a way to mount a replacement compressor.
> Bob Dunahugh
> 78 Royale since 2003
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Re: [GMCnet] Air ride compressors [message #357363 is a reply to message #357361] Fri, 31 July 2020 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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If he does have an EL I then what I said does not apply. But, I could have
sworn that the original picture that I looked at had two compressors,
although one was different than the other. I just thought that "little
Terry Tinker" had been mucking about and improvised a different compressor
arrangement.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:45 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/7314/medium/Leaking_valve.jpg
>
>
>
>
> C Boyd wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:40
>> Sir, according to the picture he showed me of the leveling valve it is
> a Electro level 1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:21
>>> I believe that he has an EL II system. That one has 2 smaller
> compressors
>>> that as far as I know, there is not a rebuild kit available. These
>>> compressors slooowww dowwwnnn after time because their permanent
> alnico
>>> magnets lose their field strength. There may be a fix for those
> motors, but
>>> I personally don't know of one. Because those compressor heads also
> contain
>>> some of the solenoids that the EL II system uses, simple replacement of
>>> them with VIAIR or similar compressors won't work. There are some
> junkyard
>>> replacements that will work, but they are scarce. So, that leaves few
>>> options. Check with Jim K and other vendors. They may have a fix that
> will
>>> work.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Oregon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM Bob Dunahugh via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hear of the original compressors being replaced due to lack of
> volume.
>>>> Most of the time. It just requires a new cogged timing drive belt.
> That Jim
>>>> K at Applied has for $8. On most coaches. That cogged belt can be
> retimed
>>>> in place. The original compressor is very simple to rebuild. Jim K
> also has
>>>> that kit. If you know what a screw driver is. You can do it. There
> was an
>>>> air filter in the original unit. That it's remains needs to be
> cleaned out.
>>>> ( That could be your compressor issue.)Then you can install a simple
>>>> external air filter. Seems to me. That it's simpler/cheaper to
> simply
>>>> service what you have. Then to find a way to mount a replacement
> compressor.
>>>> Bob Dunahugh
>>>> 78 Royale since 2003
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Re: [GMCnet] Air ride compressors [message #357364 is a reply to message #357363] Fri, 31 July 2020 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C Boyd is currently offline  C Boyd   United States
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Sir, well understood as there was a “hijacked post” in the midst from a different poster with a different question about his own new to him coach. It was a cobbled up mess if I remember correctly as I couldn’t figure it out either. While a different system could be used on each side and they share the same type relays it’s the different leveling valves wiring that I haven grasped?




James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 11:46
If he does have an EL I then what I said does not apply. But, I could have
sworn that the original picture that I looked at had two compressors,
although one was different than the other. I just thought that "little
Terry Tinker" had been mucking about and improvised a different compressor
arrangement.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:45 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/7314/medium/Leaking_valve.jpg
>
>
>
>
> C Boyd wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:40
>> Sir, according to the picture he showed me of the leveling valve it is
> a Electro level 1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:21
>>> I believe that he has an EL II system. That one has 2 smaller
> compressors
>>> that as far as I know, there is not a rebuild kit available. These
>>> compressors slooowww dowwwnnn after time because their permanent
> alnico
>>> magnets lose their field strength. There may be a fix for those
> motors, but
>>> I personally don't know of one. Because those compressor heads also
> contain
>>> some of the solenoids that the EL II system uses, simple replacement of
>>> them with VIAIR or similar compressors won't work. There are some
> junkyard
>>> replacements that will work, but they are scarce. So, that leaves few
>>> options. Check with Jim K and other vendors. They may have a fix that
> will
>>> work.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Oregon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM Bob Dunahugh via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hear of the original compressors being replaced due to lack of
> volume.
>>>> Most of the time. It just requires a new cogged timing drive belt.
> That Jim
>>>> K at Applied has for $8. On most coaches. That cogged belt can be
> retimed
>>>> in place. The original compressor is very simple to rebuild. Jim K
> also has
>>>> that kit. If you know what a screw driver is. You can do it. There
> was an
>>>> air filter in the original unit. That it's remains needs to be
> cleaned out.
>>>> ( That could be your compressor issue.)Then you can install a simple
>>>> external air filter. Seems to me. That it's simpler/cheaper to
> simply
>>>> service what you have. Then to find a way to mount a replacement
> compressor.
>>>> Bob Dunahugh
>>>> 78 Royale since 2003
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> East Tennessee
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Re: [GMCnet] Air ride compressors [message #357366 is a reply to message #357364] Fri, 31 July 2020 11:48 Go to previous message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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I wondered if something like that happened.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:10 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Sir, well understood as there was a “hijacked post” in the midst from a
> different poster with a different question about his own new to him
> coach. It was a cobbled up mess if I remember correctly as I couldn’t
> figure it out either. While a different system could be used on each side
> and they share the same type relays it’s the different leveling valves
> wiring that I haven grasped?
>
>
>
>
> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 11:46
>> If he does have an EL I then what I said does not apply. But, I could
> have
>> sworn that the original picture that I looked at had two compressors,
>> although one was different than the other. I just thought that "little
>> Terry Tinker" had been mucking about and improvised a different
> compressor
>> arrangement.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:45 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/7314/medium/Leaking_valve.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C Boyd wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:40
>>>> Sir, according to the picture he showed me of the leveling valve it
> is
>>> a Electro level 1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 31 July 2020 10:21
>>>> > I believe that he has an EL II system. That one has 2 smaller
>>> compressors
>>>> > that as far as I know, there is not a rebuild kit available. These
>>>> > compressors slooowww dowwwnnn after time because their permanent
>>> alnico
>>>> > magnets lose their field strength. There may be a fix for those
>>> motors, but
>>>> > I personally don't know of one. Because those compressor heads also
>>> contain
>>>> > some of the solenoids that the EL II system uses, simple
> replacement of
>>>> > them with VIAIR or similar compressors won't work. There are some
>>> junkyard
>>>> > replacements that will work, but they are scarce. So, that leaves
> few
>>>> > options. Check with Jim K and other vendors. They may have a fix
> that
>>> will
>>>> > work.
>>>> > Jim Hupy
>>>> > Salem, Oregon
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM Bob Dunahugh via Gmclist >>
> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I hear of the original compressors being replaced due to lack of
>>> volume.
>>>> >> Most of the time. It just requires a new cogged timing drive belt.
>>> That Jim
>>>> >> K at Applied has for $8. On most coaches. That cogged belt can be
>>> retimed
>>>> >> in place. The original compressor is very simple to rebuild. Jim K
>>> also has
>>>> >> that kit. If you know what a screw driver is. You can do it. There
>>> was an
>>>> >> air filter in the original unit. That it's remains needs to be
>>> cleaned out.
>>>> >> ( That could be your compressor issue.)Then you can install a
> simple
>>>> >> external air filter. Seems to me. That it's simpler/cheaper to
>>> simply
>>>> >> service what you have. Then to find a way to mount a replacement
>>> compressor.
>>>> >> Bob Dunahugh
>>>> >> 78 Royale since 2003
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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