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House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353823] Wed, 15 April 2020 19:18 Go to next message
hdryder75 is currently offline  hdryder75   United States
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Does anyone know where I can get new ceramic resistors that install on the back of the house panel gauges. Red, Blue, Brown, and Black. Red/Blue are about 85 ohms and Brown/Back are about 95 ohms I think. I looked into buying new gauges but the cost is a bit prohibitive for me. On the other hand, anyone have any used working gauges that they might sell? I've tried the interweb for 70s era GM cars and the resistors are difficult to find. I'm safe harboring out in MT with No "Mens Shopping" yards around me so no joy there either.

Steven Janibagian 76 Eleganza II, 455, TZE166V102466 Kent, WA
Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353827 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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I'm an electronics guy so my favorite place to buy electronic components is Digikey.com. There a other sites as well, but I find them to be competitively priced and fast, cheap shipping.

I've never noticed the resistors of which you speak, but then my gauge panel hasn't given me any trouble. So I can't comment on the size (wattage) or type of resistor you need. Hopefully someone else can chime in with that info.


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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353828 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just for fun I went looking on Digikey. Power resistors are not as popular these days so looking for what they had in stock, and the closest values. Both values below are within 5% of your measured values. Also calculated the Max power for the values @13.8V is 2 watts. Since the voltage across them should be well under 13.8V, I'm guess 2 watts is plenty... it was also all they had in-stock!

82 ohms PN: OY820KE
100 ohms PN: OY101KE

Both are $2.45 each in single quantity.




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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353830 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Either I screwed up but from memory red, blue, brown is 260 ohms. The 4th band is the tolerance and black is not a 4th band option color.

I will go find an resistance chart on the Internet and verify this posting .


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353831 is a reply to message #353830] Thu, 16 April 2020 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 16 April 2020 08:17
Either I screwed up but from memory red, blue, brown is 260 ohms. The 4th band is the tolerance and black is not a 4th band option color.

I will go find an resistance chart on the Internet and verify this posting .
Here you go:

https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/conversion-calculators/conversion-calculator-resistor-color-code-4-band

I usually throw them on an ohm meter and read them rather than rely on my memory from 60 years ago


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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353837 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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Mnemonic

Bad - black - 0
Boys - brown 1
rape - red 2
our - orange 3
young - yellow 4
girls - green 5
but - blue 6
Violet - violet 7
gives - gray 8
Willingly - white 9

1st band - 1st significant digit
2nd band - 2nd significant digit
3rd band - multiplier by ten (number of zeros)
4th stripe is tolerance, probably doesn't matter here.

So red blue brown black should be 260 Ohms, 20% tolerance.
2 6 1 20

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353839 is a reply to message #353837] Thu, 16 April 2020 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A more "genteel" version:

Black - Better
Brown - Be
Red - Right
Orange - Or
Yellow - Your
Green - Great
Blue - Big
Violent - Venture
Gray - Goes
White - West

IIRC, 5% tolerance is Gold, 10% tolerance is Silver, 20% tolerance is blank.

I didn't learn Johnny's version until US Air Force electronics school!

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Mnemonic

Bad - black - 0
Boys - brown 1
rape - red 2
our - orange 3
young - yellow 4
girls - green 5
but - blue 6
Violet - violet 7
gives - gray 8
Willingly - white 9

1st band - 1st significant digit
2nd band - 2nd significant digit
3rd band - multiplier by ten (number of zeros)
4th stripe is tolerance, probably doesn't matter here.
So red blue brown black should be 260 Ohms, 20% tolerance.
2 6 1 20
--johnny
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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353847 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Geez, in 60+ years of soldering, never heard that mnemonic. Learn something new ever day around here. HOMES was another (non-electronic) one.

--johnny


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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353849 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was going on the fact he mentioned 4 colours, then red, blue... and brown, black. I don't know of resistors marked with 2 colours and his measured values don't line up to the colour code.

So I assumed this being automotive his mentioning they were ceramic (which usually have the value printed on them rather than colours), I figured these were likely made to GM specs and have no relation to the electronics marking standards.



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Re: [GMCnet] House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353850 is a reply to message #353839] Thu, 16 April 2020 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny's version is the only one that I ever knew.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353851 is a reply to message #353850] Thu, 16 April 2020 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I bought a small piece of ham radio gear once. (A GPS tracker). It was assembled in Mexico. None of the resistor colors matched the codes I know and the schematic. I just used my ohmeter to measure them. I have no what the colors they used really meant.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353856 is a reply to message #353847] Thu, 16 April 2020 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Never heard of HOMES, to best of my knowledge. I believe the one I posted may have been in ARRL handbook.

73 de Mac, K2GKK/5
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Oklahoma City, OK
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Geez, in 60+ years of soldering, never heard that mnemonic. Learn something new ever day around here. HOMES was another (non-electronic) one.

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Re: [GMCnet] House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353857 is a reply to message #353850] Thu, 16 April 2020 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Me too. During 65 years of electronics tinkering.

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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs - Oh No Story [message #353865 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I worked for a company that had a small electronics build shop.

The electronics and instrumentation group was manged by a very nice and capable fellow, but he was totally (I mean TOTALLY) color blind.
He was at a bench one day trying to get a new circuit board to behave. He needed to change a resistor value.
No problem, they were in a genuine Ohmite cabinet with all the little bins in lots of drawers. Each drawer was about a decade.
He looked carefully and pulled one draw open, lifted a piece out and when he tried to push the drawer back . . .
Something went wrong and that drawer flipped out of the cabinet and spilled.
As he tried to catch it, he snagged at least one other.

He sat there for a moment and did a face palm.

I'm not sure why I was even there, but I suggested that he just go get a cup of coffee.

Those of us that could see the color code had it cleared up pretty fast.

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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353885 is a reply to message #353823] Thu, 16 April 2020 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry folks, there seems to be a misunderstanding. Probably my mistake for not being clear. I'm well versed in the resistor code color bands. These are NOT common resistors. I'm looking for the ceramic resistors common to instrument gauges on multiple GM vehicle models up to the 80s I think. The ones on our coach are flat, rectangular and white with a color painted across the "resistor" between the post holes. They are mounted by nuts between the rear posts of every house gauge (Propane, Elec, Water, Black tank). I'm too cheap, uh, thrifty, to just buy a new gauge if I can just replace the resistors. Hope that clears it up a bit.

Steven Janibagian 76 Eleganza II, 455, TZE166V102466 Kent, WA
Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353891 is a reply to message #353823] Fri, 17 April 2020 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just for fun I went googling to find more info on these resistors. I found this pickup-truck parts place that has gauge resistors in their catalogue. Page 46 in the left corner of the page... $15.00

It doesn't say the resistance value or any further info. GM seemed to use 0-90ohm sensors in that era, so I'm guessing the value of the resistance sets the meter reading.

http://www.truckandcarshop.com/6072.html

Its just a resistor, so if you could determine the resistance and measure the voltage across it to calculate the power dissipation, any resistor meeting the specs will work. There are variable power resistors that may work for you as well.

I'd pull mine out, but there are some spring fingers holding it in place that are a bear to work with.


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Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353919 is a reply to message #353823] Sat, 18 April 2020 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The dash gauge ones are the flat rectangular sandy ones with wound wire I remember no color code as not round carbon type. I’m assuming the rear gauges are same?

John Lebetski
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[GMCnet] Subject: Re: House Status Gauges resistrs [message #353945 is a reply to message #353823] Mon, 20 April 2020 15:04 Go to previous message
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There has been a lot about tire on this site but I don't remember this subject being addressed.

Reasons for Yellow and Reddots on new tires 

The Yellow Dot

When tires are made, they are almost never perfectly balanced.Most manufacturers will place a yellow dot on the section of the tire wherethere is least weight. The technician is then supposed to line up this yellowdot to where the valve stem is located. Where the valve stem is located isthe heaviest point of the wheel. By aligning the lightest spot on thetire with the heaviest point on the wheel, the tire/wheel balance is as close tooptimal as can be. As such, you won't be using as many lead weights aroundthe wheel to balance out the tire and wheel. Using fewer weights means you geta more balanced wheel, which then means a quieter, more comfortable ride, and alonger-lasting tire. All these add up to significant savings for theuser.

The Red Dot

In the same way tires are never perfectly balanced from themanufacturer, tires are never perfectly round, either, even when new. They havehigh and low points because of where the belts are joined, and these points cancause vibrations when a tire is rolling. The red dot indicates the tire's highpoint. Most of the time, a wheel will also have a dot—either a drilled dot or asticker to indicate its low point. If you have these marks, you should alignthe red dot with the mark on the wheel. By doing this, you minimize thevibration caused by the high point of the tire. Minimized vibration is a goodthing and ultimately also saves you money.




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