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| [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353541] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 12:18  |
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Dave; and others;
Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you put in
there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be better
off putting things into your microwave.
How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the bilge
for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage control for
things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
Just what happened on my watch.
Dean hanson 75 Avion
Fremont, Ca
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353546 is a reply to message #353541] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 13:00  |
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Hanson Email via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Dave; and others;
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> Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you put in
> there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be better
> off putting things into your microwave.
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> How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the bilge
> for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage control for
> things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
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> Just what happened on my watch.
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> Dean hanson 75 Avion
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> Fremont, Ca
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Dean,
that is one of the reason why on the Air Filter side, we do not supply the
Ozone units.
Tks for pointing it out.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353548 is a reply to message #353546] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 13:41 |
James Hupy
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Kinda like 45 minutes in a tanning booth. Not a good idea. Ozone,
UltraViolet Lights, Infra-Red, arc welders, and an old timer, carbon arc
torch used for brazing, all have their places.
But killing virus is not a good use for any of them.
Kinda like taking aquarium cleaner for internal medicine because one
of the ingredients sounds the same as the medicine used for malaria. Killed
one, nearly killed another. Idiots come in all forms, I guess.
I think I will just shelter in place, and avoid them all.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Hanson Email via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Dave; and others;
>>
>>
>>
>> Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you put in
>> there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be
> better
>> off putting things into your microwave.
>>
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>> How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the bilge
>> for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage control
> for
>> things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
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>> Just what happened on my watch.
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>>
>> Dean hanson 75 Avion
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>> Fremont, Ca
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> Dean,
>
> that is one of the reason why on the Air Filter side, we do not supply the
> Ozone units.
> Tks for pointing it out.
>
>>
>
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> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353552 is a reply to message #353541] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 15:48 |
JohnL455
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Ozone - bad. My girlfriends house had a roofer caused fire. The restoration company took everything out and restored the savable items by de-smoking them with ozone. Then after a year, everything with vinyl, rubber or plastics completely disintegrated and was trash. Shoes and handbags fell apart when touched. I cringe when detailers put a generator in a car thinking of all the vacuum hoses and electronics under the dashboard.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353555 is a reply to message #353548] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 16:02 |
Dave Stragand
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Actually, yes, ozone sterilization of medical equipment is certainly a
good use, and a widely-accepted practice. For our stuff, we've never
had any damage or discoloration of anything of the thousands of items we
have treated in the 8+ years we've been using it, but I suppose it's
possible. We don't leave stuff in there permanently, either, like in
the boat bilge. Zap, and remove. We've also used it successfully on
the interiors of multiple vehicles, as ozone is the professional
treatment of choice for odor removal in the auto reconditioning field.
I certainly would not recommending using it in your home or breathing it
or anything like that. It's in a sealed cooler.
If you'd like to read more, check out these recent articles:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ozones-effectiveness-killing-sars-coronav
irus-000000776.html
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-n
ew-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas
Anyway, it's just a suggestion. We already had this stuff on hand and
in use, so we're using it. As for effectiveness? Hard to say. "Your
mileage may vary". =)
-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie
Kinda like 45 minutes in a tanning booth. Not a good idea. Ozone,
UltraViolet Lights, Infra-Red, arc welders, and an old timer, carbon arc
torch used for brazing, all have their places.
But killing virus is not a good use for any of them.
Kinda like taking aquarium cleaner for internal medicine because
one
of the ingredients sounds the same as the medicine used for malaria.
Killed
one, nearly killed another. Idiots come in all forms, I guess.
I think I will just shelter in place, and avoid them all.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Hanson Email via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Dave; and others;
>>
>>
>>
>> Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you
put in
>> there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be
> better
>> off putting things into your microwave.
>>
>>
>>
>> How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the
bilge
>> for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage
control
> for
>> things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just what happened on my watch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dean hanson 75 Avion
>>
>> Fremont, Ca
>>
>
> Dean,
>
> that is one of the reason why on the Air Filter side, we do not supply
the
> Ozone units.
> Tks for pointing it out.
>
>>
>
>> _______________________________________________
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> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353558 is a reply to message #353548] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 17:22 |
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James Hupy wrote on Tue, 07 April 2020 11:41Kinda like 45 minutes in a tanning booth. Not a good idea. Ozone,
UltraViolet Lights, Infra-Red, arc welders, and an old timer, carbon arc
torch used for brazing, all have their places.
But killing virus is not a good use for any of them.
Jim,
Can't let that one slide, sorry.
UV light is -the- go to sterilization and germicidal method in most applications and across a myriad of industries, and for one reason - it works. When micro-organisms such as algae, fungi, bacteria and parasites are exposed to UV radiation, it damages their DNA and they die. One of the drawbacks to UV sterilization is that the germicidal effect is only line of sight. It also produces some ozone.
UVA & UVB are what reaches the surface of the Earth, what's used in tanning beds, and what suntan lotion is designed to block. UVC is shorter wavelength, much higher energy and the most effective for sterilization. Except at the shortest wavelength end of the UVC spectrum, 207-222 nanometers, it will also fry your skin and eyes. The Earth's atmosphere blocks UVC from reaching the ground.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_germicidal_irradiation
Far UVC, at 207-222 nanometers, shows great promise as a safer alternative to broader spectrum UVC as it doesn't damage skin and eyes.
https://www.genengnews.com/topics/translational-medicine/uv-light-that-is-safe-for-humans-but-bad-for-bacteria-and-viruses/
and
https://www.ushio.com/ushio-inc-and-kobe-university-have-achieved-the-worlds-first-successful-reduction-of-bacteria-using-ultraviolet-irradiation-that -is-harmless-to-normal-human-skin/
(That second article is curious as the research was performed by an international cast lead by Dr. Benner at Columbia University in NYC paid for by federal grants and by Ushio. Everybody wants to be first.)
Currently there are mask sterilization setups being cobbled together with UVC lamps. Stuff works. DIY friendly.
Further reading if interested:
https://www.essentracomponents.com/en-us/news/product-resources/uv-and-its-effect-on-plastics-an-overview
https://www.americanultraviolet.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353606 is a reply to message #353554] |
Wed, 08 April 2020 18:39 |
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Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 07 April 2020 14:04 One of the problems that got overlooked years ago was that everybody though ozone was just O3....
WrongO.... It is O++. So the activity is way higher than most believed.
Matt who had to learn all about this to keep a job at one time.
Matt,
I'm intrigued by this as I always thought the "definition" of ozone was O3.
Having just now searched a bit everything I found pointed to ozone = O3.
What would be a good search term for further clarification?
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353616 is a reply to message #353541] |
Thu, 09 April 2020 07:25 |
JohnL455
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Ok-- my "Ozone bad" was in context of using it in the coach as a deodorizer. Serves many functions in industry and nature, not to mention the atmospheric ozone layer.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Covid and Ozone gennie [message #353617 is a reply to message #353606] |
Thu, 09 April 2020 07:53 |
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Richard RV wrote and Matt Colie replied One of the problems that got overlooked years ago was that everybody though ozone was just O3....
WrongO.... It is O++. So the activity is way higher than most believed.
Matt who had to learn all about this to keep a job at one time.
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Matt,
I'm intrigued by this as I always thought the "definition" of ozone was O3.
Having just now searched a bit everything I found pointed to ozone = O3.
What would be a good search term for further clarification?
Richard
I can't begin to tell you where to find this, they were papers published in the journal of the International Ozone Institute. Two of the papers that were published as a result of experiments done by Julius leRoss and Orvil Feather. I had joined the IOI at that time, but let the membership lapse long ago.
This was part of a water purification system development using ozone. They needed to find out how much ozone needed to be created to accomplish the task. The experiments continually showed a synergism that was unexpected. They (we I was involved because I had the skills required to build the experiments) set up final experiments that allowed tracking the reactions on a by-mole basis. The initial calibrations were way off because the actual activity was much higher than expected. In the final experiments, a three to one unexpected synergism was confirmed. Others (I did not know these people) wrote that this should have been expected because if you were thinking you were making ozone by creating O3, you had to be splitting O2 to get the loose O to do it. Then, once loose, why would it bother join with existing O2?
Still interested?
I got involved because development people always talk around the coffee pot. Orvil and Julius were trying to thing of a way to determine how much ozone they were actually creating. I was running an emissions rack for the Thermasan development. We took one of their experimental ozone generators (I have forgotten if this one was UV or Corona version) and fed it zero gas (79N2-21O2)that I used in the rack calibration. Then we looked at the amount of NOx coming out....
Clear as a bell was the three for one.....
That was 40 years ago and I am surprised that I remember that much.
Matt - not eager to get into the slow summer.
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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