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Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353215] |
Sat, 28 March 2020 19:03 |
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74_Coach
Messages: 71 Registered: July 2019 Location: Arroyo Grande, CA
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For those of you that have already converted over to an electric choke, where did you pick up 12 volts from an ignition keyed source? The distributor does not provide 12volts because of the resistance wire. I thought I read that electric chokes pull about 3.5 amps and perhaps I could run a wire to the alternator with a 5 or 10 amp fuse. Suggestions?
Ed Clerkin | 1974 GMC Canyon Lands 26’
Central Coast CA
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353221 is a reply to message #353215] |
Sat, 28 March 2020 20:34 |
C Boyd
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Sir, i wire mine to center post of battery isolator. Also use an inline fuse. Only has volts with engine running and has doesn't rob any from other circuits.
74_Coach wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 20:03For those of you that have already converted over to an electric choke, where did you pick up 12 volts from an ignition keyed source? The distributor does not provide 12volts because of the resistance wire. I thought I read that electric chokes pull about 3.5 amps and perhaps I could run a wire to the alternator with a 5 or 10 amp fuse. Suggestions?
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353229 is a reply to message #353226] |
Sat, 28 March 2020 23:18 |
roy1
Messages: 2126 Registered: July 2004 Location: Minden nevada
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Same as wiring to the alternator. The output wire of the alternator connects directly to the center terminal of the isolator. That is where I connected my electric choke also.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353230 is a reply to message #353215] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 01:02 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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What kind of ignition do you have? Points or HEI?
If you have HEI then power it off of the same +12 connection as distributor.
If you have a points distributor, there is a dropping resistance wire in series with the coil and you need to power the choke just before the resistance wire.
There is a connection between the 20 ga. resistance wire (pink / black) and the regular wire (18 ga. black) on top the engine. Follow the resistance wire from the coil wire back toward the front of the engine and find where it connects to a black wire that continues on to the terminal BK under the passenger hood. Attach your new choke wire to that junction of the resistance wire and the regular wire. It sounds more difficult than it really is.
Here is a thread from last January where we were discussing this connection for a different reason.
http://www.gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=351835&rid=12&srch=resistance+wire#page_top
I do not like the isolator connection solution because if the alternator ever quits you can not drive on the battery, or boost switch using the Onan. I doubt you will even make it to the next interstate exit before the choke closes and kills the engine.
The choke on mine draws about 1.5 amps
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353238 is a reply to message #353230] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 07:53 |
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74_Coach
Messages: 71 Registered: July 2019 Location: Arroyo Grande, CA
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Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 23:02What kind of ignition do you have? Points or HEI?
If you have HEI then power it off of the same +12 connection as distributor.
If you have a points distributor, there is a dropping resistance wire in series with the coil and you need to power the choke just before the resistance wire.
There is a connection between the 20 ga. resistance wire (pink / black) and the regular wire (18 ga. black) on top the engine. Follow the resistance wire from the coil wire back toward the front of the engine and find where it connects to a black wire that continues on to the terminal BK under the passenger hood. Attach your new choke wire to that junction of the resistance wire and the regular wire. It sounds more difficult than it really is.
Here is a thread from last January where we were discussing this connection for a different reason.
http://www.gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=351835&rid=12&srch=resistance+wire#page_top
I do not like the isolator connection solution because if the alternator ever quits you can not drive on the battery, or boost switch using the Onan. I doubt you will even make it to the next interstate exit before the choke closes and kills the engine.
The choke on mine draws about 1.5 amps
Thank you for your response. I have points but will be converting to Dick Paterson Pertronix distributor within the month. I was having a quadrajet issue of flooding after a local carb rebuild but couldn't seem to get it corrected by the carb rebuilder. Dick says it's a float/needle/seat problem but after replacing quadrajet, I put a straight edge across bottom of the original carb and the base is warped - high in center. Tearing it down today to check the rest of the carb. Meanwhile, replacement carb (reman by Dick) has an electric choke that needs 12 volts.
Ed Clerkin | 1974 GMC Canyon Lands 26’
Central Coast CA
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353239 is a reply to message #353215] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 08:06 |
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Matt Colie
Messages: 8547 Registered: March 2007 Location: S.E. Michigan
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Ed,
As your coach is a 74 and hopefully not gotten an HEI installed, here are the options:
KenB said he does not like the isolator center terminal because if your alternator goes down, the engine will shut down because it got choked to death. This does have some merit.
I don't like tying it to ignition-on power (the actual ignition circuit is too close to maximum load in a points engine system) because that is actually the accessory circuit and I have had to sit with that circuit live for other reasons and if cold, the choke would open. I even added a diode to the choke circuit to get a opening rate I liked. Once dialed in (took two tries), it works like a champ.
There is a third not mentioned above, that is if you buy the kit that has a thermal switch that you can mount on the thermostat housing. Then it powers the choke heater when the engine gets hot. I have never put one on a GMC, but used these other places and they can be set up to work right.
Side note....
I said hopefully not HEI because if it is, I will strongly suggest that you carry a kit to replace all the important Olds engine parts in an HEI distributor. If you replace the points with A Pertronix 1181LS, that is a very reliable mod. (You can put the removed points and condenser in a jar and carry then as spares if you are paranoid.)
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353244 is a reply to message #353239] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 08:30 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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Matt, when they install that Pertronix mod, do they eliminate the ignition resistor (nichrome wire)?? I do not think so. If the nichrome wire is still in use, then then what I said about finding that connection still should apply Petronix or not.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353249 is a reply to message #353239] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 10:22 |
Bill Van Vlack
Messages: 419 Registered: September 2015 Location: Guemes Island, Washington
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Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 08:06Ed,
There is a third not mentioned above, that is if you buy the kit that has a thermal switch that you can mount on the thermostat housing. Then it powers the choke heater when the engine gets hot. I have never put one on a GMC, but used these other places and they can be set up to work right.
Matt
I used one of those for awhile after my choke stove tube broke off and before I went to EFI. On mine, the 12v supply side connected to one side of the bi-metal coil inside the choke body. The other side of the coil went to a variable resistance module that was then bolted to the (in my case) manifold. The bi-metal strip has a fixed resistance so the supply voltage is divided between the bi-metal strip and the module. As the module heats up, its resistance goes down and more of the supply voltage is seen by the bi-metal strip, hence the choke opens up partway due to the time constant of the bi-metal strip and the rest of the way in response to engine heat.
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353291 is a reply to message #353239] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 21:51 |
Larry
Messages: 2875 Registered: January 2004 Location: Menomonie, WI
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Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 08:06Ed,
Side note....
If you replace the points with A Pertronix 1181LS, that is a very reliable mod. (You can put the removed points and condenser in a jar and carry then as spares if you are paranoid.)
Matt
For those considering a Pertonix conversion, this is a copy/paste of a post I did a while back. I repost it here because it is worth noting.
The points type distributor I have for my 73 Cad 500 needed rebuilding. So I sent it to Dick Paterson. He replaced the points system with the pertronix 1181 and recurve the distributor. That was in 2005. Last summer, while doing some work on the FI that I have, it suddenly refused to start. After some diagnosis, finally found it had no spark. The 1181 has a pick-up and a ring of magnets that go under the rotor. One magnet dislodged and in turn scrubbed the electronic eye until I had a total ignition failure--complete with coil boiled out. Called and talked with Dick and he said that they had problems with the 1181 Magnet ring, that I should order the 1181ls (LS is for Lobe Sensing), which does not have Magnet ring. I ordered the "Flamethrower" 40011 as the matching coil. Got them from Summit. They had the lowest price and quickest shipping. (next day) Works fine...no moving parts accept the lobes. With the 1181ls you take the points and condenser out, and drop the 1181ls pick-up in it's place. Takes about 5 minutes. Very easy install. Most GM points type distributors use common parts, so the 1181ls should work in your Olds distributor. JWID
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353292 is a reply to message #353274] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 22:29 |
Bill Van Vlack
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74_Coach wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 15:15Quote: I used one of those for awhile after my choke stove tube broke off and before I went to EFI.
Which EFI unit did you install? Holley has a Quadrajet EFI that just bolts on in place of the carb. However, it will require dropping the tanks and installing a return line plus plumbing the electric pump, filters and lines. It also requires blocking the exhaust crossover on the intake but I plan on replacing the cast iron intake with the "cast for GMC" aluminum intake without the heat crossover exhaust ports.
I installed the GM Throttle Body EFI with DynamicEFI's EBL system and WinLog-EBL digital dash. Many folks plumb the return line over to the fill tube. I installed redundant pumps (~11 psi for the GM TB)and filters.
Blocking the crossover is a good thing. I had my old manifold magnufluxed (no cracks through to the crossover), filled the crossover with aluminum, and installed Dick Patterson's block off plates. Couldn't swallow the cost of the aluminum manifold, but if thought port injection was necessary I might have.
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.
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Re: [GMCnet] Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353294 is a reply to message #353291] |
Sun, 29 March 2020 23:04 |
jimk
Messages: 6734 Registered: July 2006 Location: Belmont, CA
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Ken, with when
Under normal conditions using spliced the wire that feed the HEI is very
good.
However lot if the wire has been spliced with smaller wire and we have run
into poor distributor and choke issues. Again when one confronts all type
mods it is trusting.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:52 PM Larry via Gmclist
wrote:
> Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 08:06
>> Ed,
>> Side note....
>> If you replace the points with A Pertronix 1181LS, that is a very
> reliable mod. (You can put the removed points and condenser in a jar and
> carry
>> then as spares if you are paranoid.)
>>
>> Matt
>
> For those considering a Pertonix conversion, this is a copy/paste of a
> post I did a while back. I repost it here because it is worth noting.
>
> The points type distributor I have for my 73 Cad 500 needed rebuilding. So
> I sent it to Dick Paterson. He replaced the points system with the
> pertronix 1181 and recurve the distributor. That was in 2005. Last summer,
> while doing some work on the FI that I have, it suddenly refused to start.
> After some diagnosis, finally found it had no spark. The 1181 has a
> pick-up and a ring of magnets that go under the rotor. One magnet dislodged
> and in
> turn scrubbed the electronic eye until I had a total ignition
> failure--complete with coil boiled out. Called and talked with Dick and he
> said that
> they had problems with the 1181 Magnet ring, that I should order the
> 1181ls (LS is for Lobe Sensing), which does not have Magnet ring. I ordered
> the
> "Flamethrower" 40011 as the matching coil. Got them from Summit. They had
> the lowest price and quickest shipping. (next day) Works fine...no moving
> parts accept the lobes. With the 1181ls you take the points and condenser
> out, and drop the 1181ls pick-up in it's place. Takes about 5 minutes. Very
> easy install. Most GM points type distributors use common parts, so the
> 1181ls should work in your Olds distributor. JWID
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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Re: Quadrajet Electric Choke: 12 volt ign source? [message #353347 is a reply to message #353339] |
Mon, 30 March 2020 16:10 |
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74_Coach
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Just a heads up. I pulled off the electric choke that came on the carb and the spring is wound in the opposite direction. I would guess I could just flip the spring around on the new electric choke but for now I will use the choke on the carb.
I contacted Mikes Carburetors about the choke spring direction and he will be working with me based on the carb # and pics. I have the original carb and the reman carb to compare notes.
Ed Clerkin | 1974 GMC Canyon Lands 26’
Central Coast CA
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